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Originally posted by Omega_M what the hell ? that's like taking the argument to the extreme. All alcohol consumers are alcoholics, all cigarette smokers have cancer and so on. People who slap their children occasionally are not known to be wife beaters. There are times when kids deserve a slap.

its just ridiculous. No reason to really pick it apart. Just point and laugh my friend, just point and laugh.

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Originally posted by Slylee actually it is, i won't lie. it's pretty much teaching your children that it's ok to resort to violence when angry. fact. even i'll admit it.

This is why half of America's kids are growing up with ADD and other bullshit disorders; because their parents won't discipline them. By the time the kid reaches ten, they have to take them to a fucking psychologist because the kid can't sit still for more than a minute.

By hitting kids, you're not showing them that violence is ok when you're angry, you're showing them that if they do something wrong, there will be consequences. They will get hurt.

A parent should never get angry when hitting their children anyway, they should keep a cool head.

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Originally posted by Omega_M what the hell ? that's like taking the argument to the extreme. All alcohol consumers are alcoholics, all cigarette smokers have cancer and so on. People who slap their children occasionally are not known to be wife beaters. There are times when kids deserve a slap. And no, hitting them once in a while is not abuse.

I wasn't comparing them, or any of them at all. I simply making a statement.

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Originally posted by Slylee yea and look how fucking normal you turned out. lol

i have respect for people though...just not coke whore bitches who smuggle mexicans across the border in their pooches. I was being sarcastic to an extreme...but we are being too kind and giving everything to our kids without them earning shit. No one is saying put them in the hospital or even bruise them...but turning the other way and just warning won't work. You will end up with a 25 year old who still lives with mom (oohhhhhh sick burn)

or are you 26

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Originally posted by Beat Blog This is why half of America's kids are growing up with ADD and other bullshit disorders; because their parents won't discipline them. By the time the kid reaches ten, they have to take them to a fucking psychologist because the kid can't sit still for more than a minute. By hitting kids, you're not showing them that violence is ok when you're angry, you're showing them that if they do something wrong, there will be consequences. They will get hurt. A parent should never get angry when hitting their children anyway, they should keep a cool head.

wrong.

half of America's kids are as shit as they are because they have every goddamn luxury and electronics device in their rooms, nicer cars than their teachers giving them an education and because their parents are too fucking lazy to give a shit. not because they're not smacking them when they act up.

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Originally posted by Frenchie See, I know what you're saying and ya most people would agree, well the ones who hit their kids I suppose. I don't care if my child is being a rotten brat or not, I'm still not "smacking" them anywhere on their body to reinforce my statement. Kids are not as stupid as most would like to think that they are. They see you get mad, you hit them (even once does the trick) and they think that, " Oh, well mommy hit me when she got mad so when i do that its ok because she did that" ( using mom as an example) I pulled a fit ONCE in a store because some kid pushed me. My mom bent down, looked me in the eye and said if you EVER pull a fit like that again, I'll leave you here. I never once talked back, smart mouthed or pulled a fit ever. My mom never hit my, belted, took a spoon to me. I don't see the need. hitting them doesn't do anything but let them know that, " eh, i'll get hit, mom will forget about it and i can do it again"

i agree, and if you can parent without hitting your child more power to you. ive already resigned myself to the fact that my kids will get the odd beating, assuming im not too old and still in shape.

ive already chosen my tool



minimal effort from me, and sting like a mother******. and they dont break.

the only thing (responsible) beating of a child teaches them is that beating their own children in 20 years is a-ok. i never once took my home beatings and took that influence to school or anything. i just feared being naughty (ie caught) with my pares. thats how i want my kids to feel. if i can achieve that without beating, then fine. if not pkc's spatula of pain is gonna get a workout

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak i have respect for people though...just not coke whore bitches who smuggle mexicans across the border in their pooches. I was being sarcastic to an extreme...but we are being too kind and giving everything to our kids without them earning shit. No one is saying put them in the hospital or even bruise them...but turning the other way and just warning won't work. You will end up with a 25 year old who still lives with mom (oohhhhhh sick burn)

oh yea such a sick burrn...lol

touchy touchy tonight.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I pulled a fit ONCE in a store because some kid pushed me. My mom bent down, looked me in the eye and said if you EVER pull a fit like that again, I'll leave you here. I never once talked back, smart mouthed or pulled a fit ever. My mom never hit my, belted, took a spoon to me. I don't see the need. hitting them doesn't do anything but let them know that, " eh, i'll get hit, mom will forget about it and i can do it again"

As opposed to getting a sharp "talking to"?

Oooo no, I'd better not act up, Mummy might look at me in the eye and reprimand me. I'd better not throw a fit again, I might get a sharp word thrown my way, ouch!

seriously, you dont need to hit the kid at all. You twist his/her shirt around your fists so you can pick them up by it and slide them up the wall and scream at them in as deep, loud, and throat tearing howl you can that you will abandon them only after breaking their legs if they ever even THINK of doing that again and you better watch out buddy *get REALLY close here and drop your voice to a vicious whisper* I can read fuckin minds and I got yours on my fuckin wavelength you got it pal

and sly the living at home thing is a joke..and i just saw your second post.I agree with that one...but sometimes a kick in the ass can be positive.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog As opposed to getting a sharp "talking to"? Oooo no, I'd better not act up, Mummy might look at me in the eye and reprimand me. I'd better not throw a fit again, I might get a sharp word thrown my way, ouch!

So wait, you rolls your eyes at me because I'm a well behaved, was a well behaved kid and still a well behaved adult. Ok there buddy, I'll call my mom and let her know she did such a bad job parenting me. Awful awful mom she is.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak and sly the living at home thing is a joke..and i just saw your second post.I agree with that one...but sometimes a kick in the ass can be positive.

it's ok. for the first time in my life i have a lot of money in the bank and i'm almost debt free. that's a major acomplishment for me. and if that means i had to live with mommy for half a year then so be it. i'm moving out soon. lease is up in november and she wants to join the peace corps so i actually have to move.


oh yea and i cook for her and clean and i pay the electric bill so eat a bag of dicks. i'm not mooching...just saving.

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Originally posted by Slylee it's ok. for the first time in my life i have a lot of money in the bank and i'm almost debt free. that's a major acomplishment for me. and if that means i had to live with mommy for half a year then so be it. i'm moving out soon. lease is up in november and she wants to join the peace corps so i actually have to move. oh yea and i cook for her and clean and i pay the electric bill so eat a bag of dicks. i'm not mooching...just saving.

stop having a close family and go into the American wasteland already, shit.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i agree, and if you can parent without hitting your child more power to you. ive already resigned myself to the fact that my kids will get the odd beating, assuming im not too old and still in shape. ive already chosen my tool minimal effort from me, and sting like a mother******. and they dont break. the only thing (responsible) beating of a child teaches them is that beating their own children in 20 years is a-ok. i never once took my home beatings and took that influence to school or anything. i just feared being naughty (ie caught) with my pares. thats how i want my kids to feel. if i can achieve that without beating, then fine. if not pkc's spatula of pain is gonna get a workout

LOL

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i agree, and if you can parent without hitting your child more power to you. ive already resigned myself to the fact that my kids will get the odd beating, assuming im not too old and still in shape. ive already chosen my tool minimal effort from me, and sting like a mother******. and they dont break. the only thing (responsible) beating of a child teaches them is that beating their own children in 20 years is a-ok. i never once took my home beatings and took that influence to school or anything. i just feared being naughty (ie caught) with my pares. thats how i want my kids to feel. if i can achieve that without beating, then fine. if not pkc's spatula of pain is gonna get a workout

Silicone, Rubber, or plastic spatula?

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Originally posted by Frenchie So wait, you rolls your eyes at me because I'm a well behaved, was a well behaved kid and still a well behaved adult. Ok there buddy, I'll call my mom and let her know she did such a bad job parenting me. Awful awful mom she is.

but thats you frenchie...some kids get loved to death and disciplined with words and time outs...and end up as useless fucks who don't know how to act or do anything for themselves. What do you do to the kid that won't listen? I say you correct it at a young age before its too late and it ends up being one of those nuts that was raised right but still fucking acts like an animal.

What pisses me off is when people think that they can just sit down a kid and "talk to them" about why what they are doing is wrong, or other BS in every situation. Talking works perfectly well when two rational parties are involved, but kids...like animals, aren't rational (at least some of the time).

If I had a baby and I saw it was reaching for a hot burner on the stove, I'm going to slap its hand (lightly) to show a negative consequence for that action. No amount of talking is going to stop what they're doing. If I had a kid that was throwing a hysterical fit, I'm not going to try to sit down and have a face to face with an them, I'm going to instill a "negative consequence."

Now, don't me wrong, physical punishment should be a last resort, but is sometimes necessary. I wasn't the best kid growing up and I got my fair share of spankings and "time outs," and as said before, kids are smart. I learned that a "time out" meant going to my room, or somewhere else, and after a while my parents just ran out of patience and I usually was out of there in a few minutes. Or, I got a "stern talking to" during which I didn't pay attention and usually ended up laughing about it later. The fear, or threat, of a spank was much more of a deterrent than being sent to my room or being yelled at ever was. All that being said, I don't feel like I was abused or mistreated while I was growing up. I was a kid and I was treated like one.

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Originally posted by Orbax stop having a close family and go into the American wasteland already, shit.

eh? lol



jay seriously... there really are ways to discipline your child without smacking them. why is this such a hard concept to grasp for you guys?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Silicone, Rubber, or plastic spatula?

rubber. they mould to the shape of what youre hitting so you get maximum contact with minimal effort damn it used to piss me off when mum came at me with one of those... but, the moral of the story is, 7yo pkc shouldn't have been a right cvnt!!

You think that talking to a kid is as bad as me thinking that hitting them is wrong.

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Originally posted by Slylee it's ok. for the first time in my life i have a lot of money in the bank and i'm almost debt free. that's a major acomplishment for me. and if that means i had to live with mommy for half a year then so be it. i'm moving out soon. lease is up in november and she wants to join the peace corps so i actually have to move. oh yea and i cook for her and clean and i pay the electric bill so eat a bag of dicks. i'm not mooching...just saving.

and thats great...like i said it was more of a quip.Its great that for the first time in your life you have a pot to piss in...all im saying maybe if your parents were a bit harder on you (i dont know if they were im only assuming here) you would have had it earlier on
You don't have to put your kid in the hospital to send a message...ie: if i ever catch my kid acting like a junkie...the first place they are going to is the morgue to see where some junkies end up.It might be overkill but i guarantee that will be burned into their fucking minds and might make a difference.It might do nothing, but fuck at least you tried.

edit:i'm not saying smacking is the only way...but if i try everything and it fails..you can guarantee the kid is catching a beating before i would turn to child services(in canada it isnt only for abused kids, but the ones who can't behave).My kid wont be raised by them...sometimes parents have no choice.

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Originally posted by Frenchie You think that talking to a kid is as bad as me thinking that hitting them is wrong.

you are so wrong on that one. again, you seem to think that people who show willingness to hit children only want to disciple them through spanking and beating. You only want to do the opposite and never hit a child. Both are extremes. There needs to be a balance. that is all.

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Originally posted by Omega_M you are so wrong on that one. again, you seem to think that people who show willingness to hit children only want to disciple them through spanking and beating.

you're forgetting gentle molestation.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you're forgetting gentle molestation.

haha..yeah.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps my dad used to rape me in public

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Originally posted by NeoPhono What pisses me off is when people think that they can just sit down a kid and "talk to them" about why what they are doing is wrong, or other BS in every situation. Talking works perfectly well when two rational parties are involved, but kids...like animals, aren't rational (at least some of the time).

yea and smacking them is so rational too right?

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If I had a baby and I saw it was reaching for a hot burner on the stove, I'm going to slap its hand (lightly) to show a negative consequence for that action. No amount of talking is going to stop what they're doing.

but why? especially with a baby...just grabbing their hand and giving them a loud, stern "NO" should do the trick, i promise. lol

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If I had a kid that was throwing a hysterical fit, I'm not going to try to sit down and have a face to face with an them, I'm going to instill a "negative consequence."

personally, i think you should let the kid throw his/her fit and instill negative consequences after, as in things like no desert for a week, no cartoons for a week. see the problem with little kids and punishment from parents is that they don't stick to their guns. you tell your kid he's not watching cartoons for a week, you should stick to it. and every time the kid whines about it, you ask him/her why he/she is not watching cartoons. make them answer the question with a "because i threw a fit in the store last wee" at which point you say, "that's right. this is what happens when you act like that"

it's really simple. it will make them think about WAY more than had you just wacked them on the ass and been done with it, i'm positive of this.

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Now, don't me wrong, physical punishment should be a last resort, but is sometimes necessary. I wasn't the best kid growing up and I got my fair share of spankings and "time outs," and as said before, kids are smart. I learned that a "time out" meant going to my room, or somewhere else, and after a while my parents just ran out of patience and I usually was out of there in a few minutes. Or, I got a "stern talking to" during which I didn't pay attention and usually ended up laughing about it later. The fear, or threat, of a spank was much more of a deterrent than being sent to my room or being yelled at ever was. All that being said, I don't feel like I was abused or mistreated while I was growing up. I was a kid and I was treated like one.

so in other words this validates my point i just made. it's your parents' fault for "running out of patience" and letting u come out of your room after a few minutes.


the problem is that parenting takes work and people are fucking lazy. they dont want to follow through on their threats and the easy way out is to just smack them and be done with it.

smacking is the easy way out and that's the bottom line.

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