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Originally posted by gumble A higher number of students from private go to university. Around 75% of my year. Private schools pwn, blah blah blah

Funny you say that...

My close group of 5 friends from Scotch (private):
Carpenter
Plumber
Unemployed
Pizza delivery boy
Unemployed

My close group of 6 friends from Unley (public - where I went):
Law
Commerce
Engineering
Satellite photographer (never went to uni though)
Commerce
IT/multimedia

But yeah... I guess it isn't a fair comparison... Unley usually shits all over every other school in Adelaide, public or private.

For as long back as I can remember (I can only remember 3 years before I graduated lol...), our school has gotten at least half of the total perfect grades in the state. When I graduated, we got 5 out of 7, the other two were from Pulteney and Mercedes.

Moral? Private schooling is over rated. Especially schools like Scotch, which own their own fucking island and shit. The kids are brought up to be complete useless little shits. Yeah, so our rowing boats weren't as good as yours. We didn't all have our own laptops. We didn't all have our parents bribing the principal. I'm an advocate of public schooling because it builds strong character, which is something private school children will never have.

My bet is that 75% you speak of went to uni, then failed life.

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Originally posted by echosystm I'm an advocate of public schooling because it builds strong character, which is something private school children will never have.

In the last 3 days you have spouted nothing but the biggest loads of shit I have ever heard



EDIT - I also wouldn't be dissing a plumber or carpenter, those guys are probably earning more than half of your buddies who went to uni. And doing a trade is hardly failing at life

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter In the last 3 days you have spouted nothing but the biggest loads of shit I have ever heard

It's in my nature

To be fair... the plumbers brother went to uni. He's a smart bloke. I don't know anyone else from Scotch who has gone to uni though, unless you count unemployed person #1, he went to uni for two weeks then quit. All my unemployed friends are from private schools (they will never need to work in their life).

They're all earning about the same tbh (except the unemployed guys). I don't think there is anything wrong with having a trade, everyone knows those guys often do well for themselves. BUT, if you need to go to a private school to become a plumber, something is wrong.

An interesting discussion. I am reading it through my '(government) teacher' eyes. I know where I'd prefer to be working.

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Originally posted by BJeT I know where I'd prefer to be working.

and i hear mens gallery are hiring right now!

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Originally posted by echosystm I'm an advocate of public schooling because it builds strong character, which is something private school children will never have. My bet is that 75% you speak of went to uni, then failed life.

Most offensive/stupid comment on all the pages

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Originally posted by BJeT An interesting discussion. I am reading it through my '(government) teacher' eyes. I know where I'd prefer to be working.

I'm about to become a teacher next year, im aiming for private because i want the best.....




























more pay

private schools spoon feed you. when u get to uni u get fucked.

public schools its all self motivated.

i went to private. and when i got to uni. i got ******ed. drop out a yr later. i appreciate the society and the values that they teach at priv school. but for my character i think id be alot stronger if i went to public.

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Originally posted by stevo_0 private schools spoon feed you. when u get to uni u get fucked. public schools its all self motivated. i went to private. and when i got to uni. i got ******ed. drop out a yr later. i appreciate the society and the values that they teach at priv school. but for my character i think id be alot stronger if i went to public.

ROFEL

this thread is going to get really funny really fast.

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Originally posted by echosystm I'm an advocate of public schooling because it builds strong character, which is something private school children will never have. My bet is that 75% you speak of went to uni, then failed life.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree.

I think I would have done much better at a public school, purely for that reason; public schools build character, and vastly improves your social skills.

So many of the people I went to school with got 97, 98 or thereabouts, and went off to university where in five years or so they will become doctors/engineers/solicitors/whatever.

The thing is, in ten years, most of them will realise how boring and inane their life has been/become. They haven't met anyone exciting, mixed in strange social circles nor done anything to push their boundaries. They are effectively stuck in their own lives because after they have studied for all that time, they feel that it's too hard and/or illogical to change professions or do something else.

Me, on the other hand, I finished school, with a respectable 90 after doing NO WORK, and I mean none - usually 30 mins study the night before a big exam, the rest of the time I played games on my school compulsory laptop. I went to university for six months, realised it was the biggest load of boring horse-shit ever (for me anyway - some enjoy I suppose), and so went about finding myself a full-time job.

Result: I've had a lot of interesting, character shaping experiences since I finished school. I'm now earning the same amount of money that my friends doing law/med can expect to earn the year after they leave university - the only difference being that I've been doing so for a while now, and by the time they leave university, I'll be literally 150 grand ahead of them. Regardless of monetary situation, which is superficial, I enjoy my job immensely, with any number of avenues into which I can deviate if I get bored. I meet a range of interesting people from all walks of life.

It's funny...so many private school graudates think that a degree is essential to achieving financial security and independence in their lives, or, to put it crudely: getting rich. They don't realise that all you need is motivation, initiative and some street smarts, and you'll succeed big-time. Out of my Dad's year level at school (200 people), the three wealthiest people, one of them my Dad, were dropouts who never even passed year twelve. Obviously times change, and degrees are more important these days, but it just shows you what you can do if you apply yourself.

ah, so many stupid illinformed stereotypes floating in this thread.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter ah, so many stupid illinformed stereotypes floating in this thread.

If that was directed at me, I went to one of "the best" private boys schools from age ten to age eighteen, so I know exactly what it is and isn't like.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog degrees are more important these days

Even though I'm in a 4 year commerce degree... I have to disagree with this. I strongly believe you're unlikely to achieve real financial security and early retirement if you're working for someone else, but this is what uni prepares you for. Times HAVE changed; I dont think super/benefits can really cover you for your last ~30 years on the planet anymore. I can't say I know any family friends etc. which have become wealthy from working for someone else, most run businesses or make the majority of their earnings "on the side".

Uni is probably the worst place to gain a skill base. I'm in second year, but only 1 in 4 subjects has actually been really worthwile. I'm in it for the paper.

I'm really steering this thread off course haha. I'll stfu now.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog If that was directed at me, I went to one of "the best" private boys schools from age ten to age eighteen, so I know exactly what it is and isn't like.

exactly. People have it in their heads that private school = only the top schools (ie the Scotchs etc).
There are many more private schools than just the stupidly rich ones, and they have very different student demographics across the range of schools.

So yes, you (among others) are generating stupid and illinformed stereotypes which may fit for some students in the top schools but certainly not all and certainly doesn't take into account students which come from private schools which aren't like the top schools.

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Originally posted by echosystm Uni is probably the worst place to gain a skill base.

what uni are you at?

because that statement is really not true at all....

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter exactly. People have it in their heads that private school = only the top schools (ie the Scotchs etc). There are many more private schools than just the stupidly rich ones, and they have very different student demographics across the range of schools. So yes, you (among others) are generating stupid and illinformed stereotypes which may fit for some students in the top schools but certainly not all and certainly doesn't take into account students which come from private schools which aren't like the top schools.

That's a very fair point, which I agree heartily with, hence why I mentioned early on in the thread that, in using the words "private school", I meant only the "top" schools like Scotch, because that's where, on the whole, the snobby attitudes and "must-have-a-degree" thoughts stem from. Other schools like P.E.G.S, De La Salle, Marcellin etc tend to be far more down to earth and seem like a glorified public schools than private schools.

Echosystm, I find it hard to believe that you say you don't know a single Scotch kid who went to uni, when around 90% of school leavers at places like Scotch go onto university.

You must have been hanging around with the 10% of battlers who couldn't make it.

i went to scotch... (in tas)

i felt i had a very sheltered life after leaving it.
but i wouldnt trade it for the education i got.
im at uni (honours), and my "life skills" have been learnt through leaving home at 17 and putting myself through uni, completely.

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Originally posted by gumble i went to scotch... (in tas) i felt i had a very sheltered life after leaving it. but i wouldnt trade it for the education i got. im at uni (honours), and my "life skills" have been learnt through leaving home at 17 and putting myself through uni, completely.

Shit yeah, that will do it!

I was kicked out of home at 18 and came back not long after, but I learnt a hell of a lot in that time!

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I find it hard to believe that you say you don't know a single Scotch kid who went to uni, when around 90% of school leavers at places like Scotch go onto university. You must have been hanging around with the 10% of battlers who couldn't make it.

I didn't say that


I actually don't know anyone who went to Scotch at all (I don't think)

Sorry, got you mixed up:

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Originally posted by echosystm Funny you say that... My close group of 5 friends from Scotch (private): Carpenter Plumber Unemployed Pizza delivery boy Unemployed My close group of 6 friends from Unley (public - where I went): Law Commerce Engineering Satellite photographer (never went to uni though) Commerce IT/multimedia

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Originally posted by Beat Blog You must have been hanging around with the 10% of battlers who couldn't make it.

They're not cool enough to be in that group

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Originally posted by gumble what uni are you at? because that statement is really not true at all....

I would say it's probably true for him but not for you.

The value that I got out of uni had nothing to do with the subjects that I did at the time, or the degree that I ended up with. It was the life skills that are not quantifiable through exams/assessments that gave me the most value, and I only realised it when I entered the workforce (real world) and applied those things.

I'm referring to skills such as communication, working within a team, leading a team, meeting deadlines, and researching information. I also made friends that are still in my life today.

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Originally posted by limitedtimeonly I'm about to become a teacher next year, im aiming for private because i want the best..... more pay

*** Speaking from experience your best attitude and approach to finding a job next year is to go to schools to interview THEM and not the other way around. Aside from being ecstatic about landing your first job in the profession (I still remember what it was like) you need to find a workplace that is congruent with your values and beliefs and that includes your colleagues. There are teachers that should not be teaching in EVERY school. Pardon the pun but I think your aim of wanting to work in a private school next year is 'uneducated'. From a longterm point of view you would be far better served by 'cutting your teeth' with some 'challenging' schools and classes/students instead of the opposite. I have many 'memorable' stories from my first years of teaching but now know that I have the knowledge and experience to deal with most situations that arise in the classroom. Out of interest where are you completing your teaching qualification?

A guy I used to work with went to a private school and was able to 'negotiate' his pay (a couple of thousand extra) because of the PhD that he had. The weekends are my time to do what I want to do (including planning and marking). I don't want to be told that I have to be somewhere for some (extra) school/work commitment because of xyz reason. I cannot and won't be bought.

And why did you decide to enter the teacher profession?

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