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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Holly shit this thread is like another 9/11 thread again. But seriously, the Pentagon and the FBI all had to do to shut the CT's up was to release the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon from the gas station or elsewhere - not just the cropped, edited image frames, but complete video, and it would've been long over. But noooooo ... you see, we are not crazy. You others are crazy for being too uch spoon-fed sheep people. And once again, you ignore the events that have occurred as a result of the attacks, cue bono, and who made the profits, and the grave things that the people in charge done taking advantage of all this, intentionally and the way they wanted to. Passing ridiculous laws while leaving borders open, etc. etc. Ignorance is bliss, isnt it? |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN this is not a thread about specifics. so take your crazy ramblings outside with the other children hiding through the looking glass. arbiter's comment is a telling one. the selective skepticism is indeed incredible. mag's post is a perfect example. plane debris, personal effects, dead bodies, and a missing crew, passengers and a big fucking plane arent enough for him! |
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| 9/11 TRUTHERS GUT PUNCHED BY HISTORY CHANNEL CATEGORY: Moonbats, History, Science In what will surely be seen as a defining moment for the 9/11 truther movement, the History Channel has delivered a blow for sanity and rationalism by airing a superior documentary entitled 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction. There�s no other way to say it; the truthers got reamed. They got reamed to the point that the truthers who produced the internet video Loose Change are scrambling to alter the third version of their conspiracy mongering tripe, even going so far as to drop any reference to the twin towers being blown up by the government (they continue to insist WTC #7 was brought down by explosives). The documentary took no prisoners as it destroyed almost all of the major conspiracy theories associated with 9/11 while revealing the real motivations of the truthers; that they are part of a political movement driven by raw, unreasoning hatred of George Bush, the American government, and to some extent, America itself. Prominently featured were historians like David Brinkley, Editor in Chief of Popular Mechanics James Meigs, and structural engineers, explosives experts, and a host of scientists, military experts, and eyewitnesses to the disaster. The cumulative effect of the testimony of the anti-conspiracists was absolutely devastating. The show left little doubt of the unhinged nature of the truthers, showing many of them � including radio host Alex Jones who has given vast amounts of air time to every kook, crazy, and nutcase with a theory on 9/11 � looking like the anti-intellectual fruitcakes they truly are. The format was perfect. A truther would lay out a conspiracy theory which was then immediately debunked by 2 or 3 experts. Over two hours, a couple of dozen myths associated with 9/11 were laid to rest permanently including the �missile� that hit the Pentagon, the shoot down of Flight 93, the �implosion� of the towers,� and other theories not based on fact. The implosion theory was debunked several times over. First, by the best forensic structural engineer in the country who, with the help of some excellent graphics and animation, showed exactly how the planes caused the towers to fall. An explosives expert (a young guy who was flabbergasted at the ignorance of the truthers regarding demolition) pointed out it would have taken weeks to rig the buildings for implosion and would have involved stripping drywall and ripping out walls. The nail in the coffin was supplied by one of the engineers who prepared the final report (working for the independent American Society of Civil Engineers) who showed how the collapse of the towers accounted for such things as the puffs of smoke seen in lower floors as the collapse was occurring as well as the speed of the collapse. By the end of their presentation, I was on my feet cheering. The emotional highlight of the documentary occurred when they had members of the victims families responding to the truthers. A confrontation at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 with the truthers screaming at family members who disagreed with them was shocking. One family member said every time she heard one of the conspiracy nuts it was like �a stab in the heart.� Not that these nutcases care much. As the documentary showed, the truthers real goal is to blame Bush. And the disturbing poll numbers showing that 46% of the country believing the whole truth about 9/11 is being hidden by the government shows why this documentary should be viewed by everyone. You can tell how deeply this program hurt the truther movement by the fact that they didn�t try to answer any of the points made by the piece but rather attacked the source: An upcoming documentary entitled The 9/11 Conspiracies, to be aired on the History Channel, may represent the biggest hit piece to date on the 9/11 truth movement and is rife with bias, cronyism and conflicts of interest The so-called documentary promises not to look at the flaws in the official story from a neutral perspective but to start out by suggesting that any deviation from the official line is �outrageous�. The program also features so called independent �experts� who are actually in the employ of the program makers themselves who in turn rely on scores of multi-million dollar contracts with the government and the military-industrial complex. Hit piece? It is hard to see how much more fair minded the History Channel could have been. They allowed the truthers to spout their conspiracy theories to their hearts content and then rationally, reasonably, calmly poked so many holes in them they resembled a piece of swiss cheese. Pat Curley of the excellent truther debunking site Screw Loose Change called the documentary �the dream debunking piece. It�s Hiroshima for the Truthers.� One might throw in Nagasaki as well. Pat concludes: Overall: Devastating blow for most of the kooks; ironically the CIT nuts get a little thrill as their theory at least gets a little boost. The cumulative effect is pretty overwhelming. The voicemorphed calls thing gets smashed in their faces. Awesome, absolutely the most satisfying moment in a very satisfying two hours! He is referring to the jaw dropping theory that all the communications from passengers on the doomed planes were faked! Family members tearfully rebutted those outrageous charges. And the young editor of Popular Mechanics, who tried very hard not to laugh when he was debunking some of the more unbelievable theories, actually said he was personally disgusted by the implication that family members were somehow involved in the conspiracy by covering up the fact that the phone calls were not really from their loved ones. The show will air again this weekend. Check your local listings but I have it in the Chicago area airing at 7:00 PM central Saturday night and 11:00 AM central on Sunday morning. Don�t miss it. |
^^ haha, wow. i cant fucking wait to see it. i might even buy it on DVD!
of course it will make little difference, those inclined to believe these things are not going to listen to logic.
and serious LOL at the "military industrial complex". man the crazies love their little catch cries!
if anyone come across a link for the entire show, please post it here or PM me 
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They got reamed to the point that the truthers who produced the internet video Loose Change are scrambling to alter the third version of their conspiracy mongering tripe, even going so far as to drop any reference to the twin towers being blown up by the government (they continue to insist WTC #7 was brought down by explosives). |
Watch it you two, they'll start calling you sheep.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ haha, wow. i cant fucking wait to see it. i might even buy it on DVD! of course it will make little difference, those inclined to believe these things are not going to listen to logic. and serious LOL at the "military industrial complex". man the crazies love their little catch cries! if anyone come across a link for the entire show, please post it here or PM me |
LOL, you complacent passive kids are rather excited.
What an excellent source btw: http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archiv...istory-channel/
LOL
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z What an excellent source btw: http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archiv...istory-channel/ LOL |
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| Originally posted by venomX Letting it happen for political convenience and being actually involved in its development and execution are very different things. Was there corruption? Was there mismanagement? Those are all realistic charges. Was there actual involvement in its planning and execution, coupled with conspiracy with world bankers and other powerful organizations in order to further an even more massive conspiracy of controlling the globe? Well, that one is on shaky grounds. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN then your assumptions all fail. you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy. it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo. im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured. |
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| Originally posted by Lilith Watch it you two, they'll start calling you sheep. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Shibby Correct. A small fact we can't forget is that a CIA operative, conveniently uncaptured to this day, allegedly organized this scenario. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Shibby The only weapon we've got left against the potential for tyranny is information. |
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| Rule #1: Do not trust your government. They don't trust you. |
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| Originally posted by LazFX listen democracy now boy, lets not start calling names...... and yes that was the source.... and so?? Is Alex Jones a repeat today?? lol |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z What an excellent source btw: http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archiv...istory-channel/ LOL |
i've seen the documentary aired on the history channel already and to be honest..... they don't mention anything new or that different, all they have done is compiled things that we already know from magazines,newspapers and put into one program. I find it quite strange and hypocritical that the history channel would do this as they have had programs about government mind control, illuminati,skull and bones secret societies quite interesting if you ask me....
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| Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i've seen the documentary aired on the history channel already and to be honest..... they don't mention anything new or that different, all they have done is compiled things that we already know from magazines,newspapers and put into one program. I find it quite strange and hypocritical that the history channel would do this as they have had programs about government mind control, illuminati,skull and bones secret societies quite interesting if you ask me.... |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Is something in their contract stopping them from airing non-CT stuff? |
^^^ Very impressive work. Interesting read.
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| Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 well it sure steps into the realm of the CT if you know what i mean.... anyway i found this posted on one of the forums i go to and found this quite interesting: and as for the history channels show , here's whats wrong with that BS - The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description. - The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism. - The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun. - The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined. - The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion. - The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer. - The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events. - In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present. - Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers. - The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked. - Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies. - The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton. The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue. - The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell. - The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded. - The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded. - The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan�s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded. - William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions. - NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another �bomb� going off." |
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| Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 well it sure steps into the realm of the CT if you know what i mean.... anyway i found this posted on one of the forums i go to and found this quite interesting: and as for the history channels show , here's whats wrong with that BS - The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description. - The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism. - The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun. - The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined. - The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion. - The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer. - The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events. - In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present. - Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers. - The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked. - Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies. - The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton. The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue. - The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell. - The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded. - The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded. - The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan�s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded. - William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions. - NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another �bomb� going off." |
the fact that you even attempt to belittle people with these certain beliefs is totally ridiculous, not everyone is going to agree with you and thats that. And of course i'm not saying i agree with everything but i as a person and the likes of many others have the right to question things that we don't find valid, just as you or anyone else here feels there are things that just don't seem to make sense in this world.
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