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Matchday 4 this week

Todays predictions...

L'Pool 1-1 Besiktas
Porto 2-0 Marseille
Valencia 0-1 Rosenborg
Schalke 2-2 Chelsea
Lazio 1-2 Bremen
Olympiacos 0-2 Real
Celtic 0-3 BENFICA
Shaktar 1-1 Milan

Usually home teams are strong in Europe but picking favourites is never fun...lol

Wow its been awhile since this thread's been active.

We're a month away from the round of 16 commencing...
The matchups and my predictions
(club listed first plays home game first...which means they finished 2nd place in the group phase) :

Schalke (GER) - Porto (POR)...............Porto
Roma (ITA) - Real Madrid (ESP)............Real Madrid
Olympiacos (GRE) - Chelsea (ENG)..........Chelsea
Liverpool (ENG) - Internazionale (ITA)....Inter
Celtic (SCO) - Barcelona (ESP)............Barcelona
Lyon (FRA) - Man. United (ENG)............Man. Utd. scum
Fenerbah�e (TUR) - Sevilla (ESP...........Sevilla
Arsenal (ENG) - AC Milan (ITA)............AC Milan


I couldnt have got a WORSE draw than Arsenal...but AC Milan showed last yr vs Man Utd scum that they know how to defend
extremely fast and talented teams.
Still, TERRIBLE draw for us as Arsenal are the best 2nd place by a light yr....NO WAY i'm picking against my club


Just a reminder...its OURS until someone takes it from us heh :

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Originally posted by TheVrk Wow its been awhile since this thread's been active. We're a month away from the round of 16 commencing... The matchups and my predictions (club listed first plays home game first...which means they finished 2nd place in the group phase) : Schalke (GER) - Porto (POR)...............Porto Roma (ITA) - Real Madrid (ESP)............Real Madrid Olympiacos (GRE) - Chelsea (ENG)..........Chelsea Liverpool (ENG) - Internazionale (ITA)....Inter Celtic (SCO) - Barcelona (ESP)............Barcelona Lyon (FRA) - Man. United (ENG)............Man. Utd. scum Fenerbah�e (TUR) - Sevilla (ESP...........Sevilla Arsenal (ENG) - AC Milan (ITA)............AC Milan I couldnt have got a WORSE draw than Arsenal...but AC Milan showed last yr vs Man Utd scum that they know how to defend extremely fast and talented teams. Still, TERRIBLE draw for us as Arsenal are the best 2nd place by a light yr....NO WAY i'm picking against my club Just a reminder...its OURS until someone takes it from us heh :

I like your picks, they seem pretty correct, except I'd have to give more of a fighting chance to liverpool, even though they havent been exceptional this year, they always seem to perform well in europe and big games. Also depending on the condition of arsenal coming into the game they too are just as likely to win as AC would be. That;s the toughest game to pick definatly

If Arsenal can run circles around Milan, Milan doesn't have a chance, but I expect Milan to slow down and frustrate the Arse and go on through to the next round

Wenger should have played his strong side against Sevilla.

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Originally posted by sixtysix I like your picks, they seem pretty correct, except I'd have to give more of a fighting chance to liverpool, even though they havent been exceptional this year, they always seem to perform well in europe and big games. Also depending on the condition of arsenal coming into the game they too are just as likely to win as AC would be. That;s the toughest game to pick definatly

depends on what squad Rafa puts on for Liverpool

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Originally posted by sixtysix except I'd have to give more of a fighting chance to liverpool, even though they havent been exceptional this year, they always seem to perform well in europe and big games.

Eh i DEFINITELY think Liverpool has a REALLY good chance to beat Inter...
But if i HAD TO pick, right now it'd be Inter.
A very high quality team, and they're bouond to do well in Champs League one yr...

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Also depending on the condition of arsenal coming into the game they too are just as likely to win as AC would be. That;s the toughest game to pick definatly

As i said, if i wasn't one of the Milanese, i'd prolly pick Arsenal.
I can only best describe Arsenal as SCARY
But i fully trust and believe in my club (except for Dida..which worries me even more)

How can fuck can people hate this kid..look at this...wow
That's 27 goals in all comps for the year...which is extraordinary for a winger




That was his second goal in today's game...with only 13 mins on the clock

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Originally posted by TheVrk Eh i DEFINITELY think Liverpool has a REALLY good chance to beat Inter...

As much as Liverpool has a reputation of being a cup team, especially the way they responded when they were winless in their CL Group stage in their first 3 games, I really can't see Liverpool beating Inter.

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Originally posted by Paulinho How can fuck can people hate this kid..look at this...wow That's 27 goals in all comps for the year...which is extraordinary for a winger That was his second goal in today's game...with only 13 mins on the clock

That had to be one of the nastiest free kicks I've ever seen since I've followed the sport.

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Originally posted by verndogs That had to be one of the nastiest free kicks I've ever seen since I've followed the sport.

Now only if Ronaldo stops diving.

He's gifted. He's talented.

He's still a diving scum. And a Man U scum too

PS: Juninho freekicks > C. Ronaldo freekicks

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Originally posted by Paulinho How can fuck can people hate this kid..look at this...wow That's 27 goals in all comps for the year...which is extraordinary for a winger That was his second goal in today's game...with only 13 mins on the clock

That free kick will definetly go into the history books as one of the best free kicks. That was a bullet, the kid gets better everday.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Now only if Ronaldo stops diving. He's gifted. He's talented. He's still a diving scum. And a Man U scum too PS: Juninho freekicks > C. Ronaldo freekicks

+1 on EVERYTHING u said..
He also needs to stop plucking his fuckin eyebrows

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Originally posted by EvilTree Now only if Ronaldo stops diving. He's gifted. He's talented. He's still a diving scum. And a Man U scum too PS: Juninho freekicks > C. Ronaldo freekicks

When was the last time you've seen him dive...since the world cup he has really clamped down on that type of behaviour. Early in his career, yes he would go down easily but not anymore

I haven't seen Juninho score many FK's this year and his form hasn't been very good this year at Lyon

Here's a few more for you guys from this season:







And what the hell...



I hate ManUre but Im backing them in Europe...That way CR7 can get the individual recognition he deserves

Kaka Who????? Messi Who?????









THERE'S ONLY ONE RONALDO

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Originally posted by Paulinho When was the last time you've seen him dive...since the world cup he has really clamped down on that type of behaviour. Early in his career, yes he would go down easily but not anymore

COMICAL!!

Bro, with all due respect, i understand....you're Portuguese, so its normal to be biased..i dont blame you at all.
Fuck, when it comes to Croats i'm biased myself...again, normal.


But C'MON, C.Ronaldo dives around almost every match!
I watch English football here every week, and Man U scum are on EVERY week...
I've literally watched 95% of their games this yr, i'm NOT exagerrating, and he dives ALL THE TIME...
...then whines to the ref for a foul.

I appreciate you supporting ur compatriot, and you should, but you're way off on this one...
....Ronaldo dives, EVERY commentator says it, and everyone knows it.


MEGA talent...but a MEGA pre-madonna...and he plucks his fuckin eyebrows

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Originally posted by Paulinho Kaka Who????? Messi Who?????

Thats just stupid talk...and disrespectful.
No one takes anything away from C.Ronaldo, so u dont need to take anything away from Kaka and Messi..

PS Kaka HAS won the European and World Club titles..the other 2 havent one either

C'mon Vrk...we've agreed on many things on this forum before but this time I cannot...Yes it is true that my patriotism is shining thru but I also watch the EPL on a constant basis and I think his reputation from early stages of his career does influence the referee's decisions at times.

Regarding the Kaka, Messi comments...Do either one of them have 27 goals at the end of Jan and their team at that top of the table in ther respective leagues? NO

Don't get me wrong they are both exceptional talents but CR7 has to be the best player on the planet at the moment

Kaka deserved the Fifa player award for his performances in last years CL but there is no way Messi deserved 2nd...He was injured for half of the season...If CR7 keeps this form thru Euro 2008 he will without a doubt be crowned worlds best player

And BTW yes Messi has won the CL with Barca

its an absolute shame how talented he is and still continues to dive, and dont start with that whens the last time uve seen him dive bulshit becuse i watch 90%of all prem games and he dives at least once if not more in every game

oh and for all these highlights u show, look at the teams he scores against, all shyte, go and watch ronlado play against any top four team in the prem, liga or seria A (with the exception of roma, dont even get me started on their shitty defenders)

go and watch how chelsea, inter, le arse, or even recently Tottenham Hotspur shuts him down, u dont see any free kicks like that, all u see is a frustrated ronaldo screamin "POOOHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!"

maybe in 2 years ull tell me hes the best if players like di santo, kaka, pato or even quaresma dont outshine him, but for now CR7 as u dub him, is an absolute shame and waste of talent

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Originally posted by areon

lol. pwned

Paulinho, your script is annoying as fuck.

Speaking of freekicks...



Also just saw Geremi put a rocket of a freekick against Tunisia like 2 mins ago.

You know you're an addict when you watch football in French...

someone just said "kaka who?"

Please stop being a fanboy.

Paulinho, i dont wanna pile on the bashing, but do you happen to notice
that you're the ONLY ONE who doesnt think C.Ronaldo dives??
There's like 5-6 of us saying he DOES dive...
And coincidentally you're the only Portuguese here...

Again, dood, i LOVE the Portuguese aka Pork CHops, and i can understand the bias.
But REALITY has to set in at some point...


And no, Kaka doesnt have 27 goals this season. But he doesnt play for stats.
As a Milan FAN, I'm not even saying Kaka is more talented, coz he's not (notice the reality-check?? Me being objective??)
---> But i'd take Kaka on my team, which he IS, thank God, over Ronaldo anyday.

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Originally posted by TheVrk ---> But i'd take Kaka on my team, which he IS, thank God, over Ronaldo anyday.

And i would take Stevie G over that (yes, I'll go out on a limb here) DIVER - Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is clearly all about the stats - Case in point - United v. Derby - Ronaldo denies Tevez the Hat Trick and takes a meaningless PK (United were up 3-1) in injury time.

I'll agree - he's awesome. But he's also a diving dickbag whose only concerned about his goals...

This is the look Tevez gave him - it sums up my feelings exactly

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Originally posted by l8trsk8trs And i would take Stevie G over that (yes, I'll go out on a limb here) DIVER - Ronaldo.

look lets not go crazy, first off ronaldo doesnt play stats only, despite the derby game, he IS a team player

second, i would never ever take Stevie ME ME ME over CR

u cannot deny him being an amzing player with individual talent and team qualities, butttt... he is not even close to being the best

i am a Hardcore chelsea fan and would take in a heartbeat, but i would rather have other player granted i had the chance

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Originally posted by areon second, i would never ever take Stevie ME ME ME over CR u cannot deny him being an amzing player with individual talent and team qualities

Look bro - I said he's awesome... what more do you want!?

IMO - There is A LOT more to a football player than scoring goals. FOR ME, Stevie G is one of the best - if not THE best (yes I know there are others) all rounded footballers out there. Passing, shooting, playmaking, vision, tackling, defending and LEADING - he's got it all... And yes - being a LFC fan obviously biases me... Ronaldo is a goalscorer, a sprinter, a player with extreme skill on the ball - He's a great offensive player (he's also a diver and big fan of dicking whores)but he just doesn't measure up to Stevie IMO...

Hell - You're a Chelsea fan... of coarse you'd like Ronaldo - you've still got your Mourhino hangover...

Here you go, a REALLY good analytical article about ROnaldo vs. Kaka.
What i like most about this is it praises BOTH players.
As i keep saying, i dont EVER deny Ronaldo's brilliance and talent...
...but there's more than that.


Taken from goal.com

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Debate: Who Is Better - Kaka or Ronaldo? It is one of the hottest arguments in the game. Gil Gillespie contemplates the question of who is the best out of Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo... Debate: Who Is Better - Kaka or Ronaldo? Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro and Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite are named, respectively, after actor-turned-President Ronald Reagan, and the baby babble of a younger brother who couldn't pronounce the word 'Ricardo'. From these beginnings come the two most famous names in world football: Ronaldo and Kaka. The pair are also the subject of one of the most polemical arguments currently being debated in pubs and bars around the planet. One of the two gets the vote of FIFA, UEFA, Pele, and the majority of Europe's army of football journalists. The other can count on the support of Sir Alex Ferguson, the late George Best, and his mum. So, who is the better player, Kaka or Ronaldo? Based on this season's form, it is difficult to argue against Ronaldo. In Serie A Kaka has been stumbling a little, looking slightly jaded, not quite managing to pick up the rhythm that has previously marked him out as the most outstanding attacking talent of his generation. By his standards, it's been a "nearly, but not quite" kind of season so far. Ronaldo, on the other hand, has been almost supersonic in the Premier League. Swapping some of his unnecessary trickery for a more straight-running, direct approach, the Portuguese midfielder has frightened the living daylights out of just about every defender and goalkeeper in the league. His blistering pace, remarkable athleticism, unstoppable free-kicks and clinical eye for goal have seen him overtake his goalscoring tally of last season already and taken him to the top of the netting charts. He has hit 27 goals in as many games for Man United - not bad for a player who's supposed to play in midfield. His willingness to attack is relentless. But when comparing these two stellar talents, it is important to remember the old adage: 'form is temporary and class is permanent.' Michel Platini, who spoke about Ronaldo this week, is correct in saying that the Portuguese has yet to prove himself on the biggest of stages. "It's difficult to compare players in competitions and teams. Is it more difficult to play right wing in Manchester than it is in Italy, where it doesn't exist?" Platini argued this week. What the UEFA president is saying is that, for all it's thrills and spills, the Premier League is not as defensively sophisticated as the equivalent competitions in Spain and Italy. "If Ronaldo is the best player in the world or Europe he will have to prove it in the Euros, because that will be the only way we can judge him, when all the best players will have had the chance to be recognised," declared Platini. In the Champions League last season, when it mattered most, Ronaldo went missing. While Kaka was busy winning the competition and becoming its top scorer, Ronaldo turned in a few cameo performances and scored a couple of goals. In his side's vital away leg against Milan in the San Siro, he first made a fool of himself, then appeared to have gone home for the rest of the evening. But lets not dwell too long on Ronaldo's flaws. He is, after all, still only 22. No-one is suggesting that he won't go on to become a great player. This, in turn, should not distract from the fact that Kaka is, quite simply, a more complete footballer than Ronaldo. His balance is better, his technique is easier, he is much more elegant in possession, a far better team player, a more incisive passer and a more intelligent reader of the game. The Brazilian has never attempted a step-over in his life because he doesn't have to. Such circus trickery is beneath him. Kaka glides past players as if they aren't there; he's as subtle as he is lighting quick. And when Kaka sings, Ronaldo often stutters. The latter's jittery, jinking, dribbling is easier to deal with as a defender. Not easy, by any means, but easier. To put it another way, marking Ronaldo is about as difficult as dodging bullets. Marking Kaka is like marking the breeze. The Portuguese, however, is better in the air and probably a better free-kick taker. Probably? We haven't really had an opportunity to see how good Kaka is at set pieces because Pirlo, the best in the world, takes them for Milan and Ronaldinho usually takes them for Brazil. As for Ronaldo's higher ratio of goals per game, as Platini intimated, he is doing it in a league where it is easier to score goals. As for his 20 strikes in 53 games at international level, almost all of them have come against teams such as Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Estonia. Pele, who is usually a terrible judge of talent, to be quite honest, has actually got it right this time. "Kaka is the best player in the world, without a doubt," the Brazilian legend told Gazzetta Dello Sport recently. Most of the talk of Ronaldo being the best player in the world has come from England, where there is a tendency to claim global supremacy too easily and too quickly. Take Ronaldo's stunning free-kick against Portsmouth. As soon as his strike hit the top right hand corner of the net, pundits and fans were proclaiming it as the greatest free-kick of all time. It wasn't. Its not even the best free-kick of the season. Andrea Pirlo's pearler in the Milan derby was much closer to the edge of the box and more difficult to lift up over the wall and down again into the top corner. Okay, all these claims about one player being better than another are probably unproductive, anyway. Football is, lest we forget, a team game. Are Kaka and Ronaldo really better players than the likes of Sergio Ramos, Gianluigi Buffon, Francesco Totti, Esteban Cambiasso, Andrea Pirlo, Fernando Torres, Cesc Fabregas or Zlatan Ibrahimovic? It is, of course, virtually impossible to compare players who perform completely different roles and functions on the pitch. The best we can conclude in the debate about Kaka and Ronaldo is that Kaka is the finished article and Ronaldo still has a little way to go. But then again, if he is a finished praduct, should he not be producing the results in Serie A? And the debate goes on... One thing is certain: it is a privilege to watch both of them play. Gil Gillespie

That last line is the BEST thing he said...and i COMPLETELY agree.

This is the SMARTEST thing he said from an analytical standpoint (imo):

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To put it another way, marking Ronaldo is about as difficult as dodging bullets. Marking Kaka is like marking the breeze.

WOW...could you POSSIBLY describe them any better???

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Originally posted by l8trsk8trs Look bro - I said he's awesome... what more do you want!? IMO - There is A LOT more to a football player than scoring goals. FOR ME, Stevie G is one of the best - if not THE best (yes I know there are others) all rounded footballers out there. Passing, shooting, playmaking, vision, tackling, defending and LEADING - he's got it all... And yes - being a LFC fan obviously biases me... Ronaldo is a goalscorer, a sprinter, a player with extreme skill on the ball - He's a great offensive player (he's also a diver and big fan of dicking whores)but he just doesn't measure up to Stevie IMO... Hell - You're a Chelsea fan... of coarse you'd like Ronaldo - you've still got your Mourhino hangover...

and Stevie G doesn't measure up to Ranaldo in being a " goalscorer, a sprinter, a player with extreme skill on the ball"

look, they are both great players, but both very different players with a different roles, they both have strengths that the other doesn't have, no use in even comparing them.

as for diving, that shit pisses me off so much, blatant diving/acting is unacceptable, but sometimes going down is justified, my coaches always told me to go down in certain situations to avoid injuries, no point in being stubborn and then coming out with an injury that puts you out for a while.

sometimes you get tripped, or hit, and you lose your balance, what use are you with the ball now if your off balance? might as well go down, get the free kick since you actually got hit or tripped and keep possession of the ball.

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