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Originally posted by Magnetonium The student was going to get escorted out of the building either way - all for ASKING A QUESTION that police didnt like.

wrong. try again.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN seriously, you must be the biggest one-eyed fool on here nothing you have posted here is even remotely relevant. the police didnt escort him because they didnt like his question. honestly, what is wrong with you?? the police waited for him to finish his stupid secret society question. he wasn't being escorted because of it. he was escorted because he, unlike the rest of the people there, felt he was special and deserved special privileges the rest of the room did not (you know, such as waiting your turn or fitting in with the discussion's time frame). which is why he grabbed the microphone away from someone else who was in the middle of asking a question. where is your self-righteous anger at him for infringing on the free speech rights of that person?? i am honestly amazed you could get that ^^ analysis from the video you posted. talk about seeing what you want to see.

i know what you are trying to say.... the guy just walked in the room and asked questions when it wasn't even his turn, true he shouldn't have done that... but he did ask some questions, and there was no need for it to turn the way it did, that is inexcusable! i think your problem is that you blindly turn your head from the situation and "simply" go by the book and whats regarded as being a "good american" to you.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the police waited for him to finish his stupid secret society question.

why would that be a stupid question? haven't you seen the video of what they get involved in to in those "secret societies"?? quite disgusting and disturbing if you ask me, but hey what ever floats your boat right....

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i know what you are trying to say.... the guy just walked in the room and asked questions when it wasn't even his turn, true he shouldn't have done that... but he did ask some questions, and there was no need for it to turn the way it did, that is inexcusable! i think your problem is that you blindly turn your head from the situation and "simply" go by the book and whats regarded as being a "good american" to you.

Methinks you need to know pkcRAISTLIN just a wee bit better before you consider him a "blind, good American." What part of anything in what he has previously said has led you to believe he has been a "blind" and "good American" in any way? Please recite any specific quotes by him to help you to such a conclusion.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 why would that be a stupid question? haven't you seen the video of what they get involved in to in those "secret societies"?? quite disgusting and disturbing if you ask me, but hey what ever floats your boat right....

Hmmm, so now it's not Kerry who was in on it - rather, someone in the police department sent a secret society messenger who happens to be on the police force who wast on duty that night.....

.....unless, of course, that secret society member wasn't actually on duty but the secret society pulled a few devious strings and substituted a non-secret society member on the police force with their secret society member to help protect Kerry from any embarrassing questions about their shared secret society to help protect a fellow secret society member on stage, because that particular policeman may not have been truly scheduled for duty that night but knowing that secret society and that incredibly double-secret handshake, he got in to help protect his fellow member who's now a Senator and former Presidential candidate?

I wonder, did you see those policemen give their super duper secret "wink" at Kerry to show they are protecting their fellow brother in need?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z

From everything I've read, this kid got exactly what he wanted. He probably got better than he expected, even. Tasering was excessive, but I've got no pity for him - he set out to make a scene, and now he's a mini-celebrity. He didn't prove anything about Kerry/cops/censorship, except "be a disruptive, cop-resisting douchebag and suffer the consequences".

would you be outraged if this guy interrupted an event you were hyped about being at??

This is exactly like the last tazering thread we had.
The guy acted like a dick, didn't listen to the police and he got tazed for it.
Pretty simple math; listen to the god damn police next time.

Besides getting tased ain't shit. Been tased 3 times.... its not that bad.......

My cousins and I use to use cattle prods back in the day.....

now pepper spray is the worse.....

Holy shit, take a look at this: http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/9793807.html#

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 One thing I failed to clarify in my anti-conspiracy rant - although the guy was being a deliberate turd and being purposely disruptive and disrespectful, I'm not an advocate for tasing. Overall I think they are a bit overused for activities that could be settled with a wee bit more backbone. Merely resisting arrest to me is not necessarily grounds for tasing, but unfortunately there's a bit of a gray area on this issue that's continually being contended and questioned - likely for good reason I might add. It's a worthy debate on that issue alone. However my issue was against anyone somehow linking this douchebag's free speech rights supposedly being taken away because he's speaking some slithering conspiratorial truth about Kerry's college background in an elusive society. That simply holds no water given the little turd's actions (i.e. "known prankster" with his own website of practical jokes). So perhaps before this thread gets closed down by Neo or Lira, perhaps we can all settle down just a wee bit and cut down the flaming and name calling just a tad?

Point take my [more or less] level headed friend. It just pisses me off to no end when people gloat over or justify excessive use of force, unjustifiable coercion, police brutality, or abuse of power. Instead of having a minimal level of empathy for the victim it turns in to a sickening display of sadistic rationalization of how it was well "deserved." That's when I feel like smacking the shit out certain people.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Point take my [more or less] level headed friend. It just pisses me off to no end when people gloat over or justify excessive use of force, unjustifiable coercion, police brutality, or abuse of power. Instead of having a minimal level of empathy for the victim it turns in to a sickening display of sadistic rationalization of how it was well "deserved." That's when I feel like smacking the shit out certain people.

So who's gloating?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Point take my [more or less] level headed friend. It just pisses me off to no end when people gloat over or justify excessive use of force, unjustifiable coercion, police brutality, or abuse of power.

just as it pisses the rest of us off that each and every display of police force is automatically categorised as brutality. this incident was of the student's own making, leaving me far less sympathy for him. make no mistake shaolin, ive been in protest lines yelling abuse at police face to face when i felt they went beyond their boundaries. i aint no worshipper but im also intolerant of people being attention-seeking dickheads.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r This is exactly like the last tazering thread we had. The guy acted like a dick, didn't listen to the police and he got tazed for it. Pretty simple math; listen to the god damn police next time.

yes. like i said the only reason we're going on about this is because of the videos and the internet keeping it alive. remember Mostafa Tabatabainejad

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmmm, so now it's not Kerry who was in on it - rather, someone in the police department sent a secret society messenger who happens to be on the police force who wast on duty that night..... .....unless, of course, that secret society member wasn't actually on duty but the secret society pulled a few devious strings and substituted a non-secret society member on the police force with their secret society member to help protect Kerry from any embarrassing questions about their shared secret society to help protect a fellow secret society member on stage, because that particular policeman may not have been truly scheduled for duty that night but knowing that secret society and that incredibly double-secret handshake, he got in to help protect his fellow member who's now a Senator and former Presidential candidate? I wonder, did you see those policemen give their super duper secret "wink" at Kerry to show they are protecting their fellow brother in need?

thats not what i was sayin u idiot! don't put words into my mouth...all i said was that wat goes on in that place is filthy and disgusting i saw the video

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Originally posted by LazFX From everything I've read, this kid got exactly what he wanted. He probably got better than he expected, even. Tasering was excessive, but I've got no pity for him - he set out to make a scene, and now he's a mini-celebrity. He didn't prove anything about Kerry/cops/censorship, except "be a disruptive, cop-resisting douchebag and suffer the consequences". would you be outraged if this guy interrupted an event you were hyped about being at??

i bet you were the idiot that said rodney king deserved the beating too right? cmon man this is not the USSAMERICA, how could you be so blinded into thinking that these cops reserve the right to tazer someone for the fun of it? what about that little girl that got tazered and killed !?? is that right, is that justice for you ??

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN just as it pisses the rest of us off that each and every display of police force is automatically categorised as brutality. this incident was of the student's own making, leaving me far less sympathy for him. make no mistake shaolin, ive been in protest lines yelling abuse at police face to face when i felt they went beyond their boundaries. i aint no worshipper but im also intolerant of people being attention-seeking dickheads.

you were an attention seekin dick head when you yelled at the cops

Student Tasered for Armed Madhouse Question to Kerry

by Greg Palast


We warned you: 'Armed Madhouse' is a dangerous book. Yesterday, Andrew Meyers, a University of Florida student was attacked by five cops, zapped with tasers and arrested after demanding that Senator John Kerry answer the question.

Meyers, just released from jail and now facing five years in prison for resisting arrest, held up a copy of the book and began,

Student to John Kerry: "I want to recommend a book to you. It's called 'Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast.' He's the top investigative journalist in America."

Kerry: "I have the book. I've already read it."

Student: "... In this book, it says there were 5 million votes and you won the election. ... How could you concede the election on the day?"

Meyers, a telecommunications student at the Gainesville campus, asked related questions including a query as to why Kerry refused to vote for impeachment. When he passed his alloted one minute mic time, five cops jumped him, threw him to the ground, shot him with taser shockers.

Kerry, true to character, stood immobile.

Now, I've given many talks. And some questioners have taken too long at the mic. But I've never done the Stalin thing of cops and electronic beating to limit the discussion. (Yes, it's true that Randi Rhodes recently threatened me with a taser when I've monopolized the mic in her studio.)

The Washington Post reported only that Meyers was holding a "mysterious yellow book." VERY mysterious.

I would note that enchained student was busted in Alachua County, Florida, where, six years ago, I uncovered massive, systematic and utterly illegal disenfranchisement of Black voters - ordered by Gov. Jeb Bush's office just before the 2000 election. ("Florida's Disappeared Voters," February 2001, The Nation.) Alachua remains under federal scrutiny for its long history of racial bias against Black voters.

I must admit I feel some appreciation for Meyers, especially because, even while he was being shot with untold amps of electricity, until he was handcuffed, he would not let go of his mysterious yellow book, 'Armed Madhouse.'


Hear the update live tonight on the new "Palast Report" on Air America Radio. The Palast Report will now broadcast every Tuesday night, at 9:30pm, on Richard Greene's new weeknight show, "Clout."

And get America's most SHOCKING book, the New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: From Baghdad to New Orleans -- Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild (Penguin 2007).

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 i bet you were the idiot that said rodney king deserved the beating too right? cmon man this is not the USSAMERICA, how could you be so blinded into thinking that these cops reserve the right to tazer someone for the fun of it? what about that little girl that got tazered and killed !?? is that right, is that justice for you ??

Actually, You are the idiot, you simple minded fock! Comparing the Rodney king beating to this?? It obvious you have no idea what true life is all about. King's shit was in no way comparable to this young punk.

nigga please.....


both actions by the police were horrible, but what happened to King was a tragedy. this young punk staged and planned this shit and he got tased. King got the shit beat out of him......

Did the cops beat the shit out of this kid?? No! Did the cops beat the shit out of King?? Fock Yes! both actions should of been handled differently, but please do not compare this fock to King.

Wow. This got outa hand in a hurry. While CTs may call this a terrible act of brute force and what not, it would seem that level-headed folk recognize that this guy kinda asked for it and got what was coming to him. Maybe a wee bit over the top, but then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll think twice next time he decides to act like a total douche.

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Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985 thats not what i was sayin u idiot! don't put words into my mouth...all i said was that wat goes on in that place is filthy and disgusting i saw the video

As did I. But I'm an idiot because I interpreted this statement of yours:

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i think your problem is that you blindly turn your head from the situation and "simply" go by the book and whats regarded as being a "good american" to you.

to entail that you are to directly implying that pkcRAISTLIN is not seeing some larger conspiracy? Well from one idiot to another, a thousand apologies, sir. With so many idiots surrounding you, how shall you work your magic here in the PDD?

Now I may have actually agreed with your prior point that this was excessive force, but I wanted to make sure you were not implying that such "silencing" was performed as a result of some grand secret society conspiracy was about to be exposed by this known prankster pulling a prank which turned badly for him. If you do recall in the full video, he was given time to speak his mind, only after it became obvious that he was there not to demonstrate his "free speech" rights in a private setting but was clearly being a disruptive boob. Tasing may have been inappropriate, but kicking the little shit out and arresting him for his actions were most certainly not.

Perhaps you could agree to that latter point with this poor little idiot? If not, why not?

Aaaaaa, I see, so no matter how stupid and incorrect the laws might be, if the police decides to tell someone to shut up for whatever reason, they must do so, and if they argue about it, then police have the right to use force. That aint no f*cking democracy! Police moved in to arrest the student not because he was causing violence, upheaval or panic or whatever, but because of the question. Thats like controlling speech, "free speech zones" all over again. As I said, I know some TAs on here will be happy to embrace a martial law when it cometh. Have fun when it arrives, and please prepare in advance some cool quotes to justify that too.

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Originally posted by Shakka Wow. This got outa hand in a hurry. While CTs may call this a terrible act of brute force and what not, it would seem that level-headed folk recognize that this guy kinda asked for it and got what was coming to him. Maybe a wee bit over the top, but then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll think twice next time he decides to act like a total douche.

I tend to think that there are probably (more like definitely) quite a few others out there besides just the Conspiracy Theorists who think that physical violence should be resorted to only at the very last resort, especially when the odds are more than five to one in favor of the police (who were armed with more than just a book.)

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Originally posted by LazFX Actually, You are the idiot, you simple minded fock! Comparing the Rodney king beating to this?? It obvious you have no idea what true life is all about. King's shit was in no way comparable to this young punk. nigga please.....

if you didn't notice i was being sarcastic.... of course both actions were extremely different, don't tell me what life is about, if anyone i think you should be asking yourself that because you obviously have a hard time seeing right from wrong. And ok i'll agree to the fact that the cops had a right to remove him but that doesnt give them the right to use excessive force. At the same time He was there to ask questions, this guy had questions that he wanted answered wether he was part of the discussion or not the cops didn't have to blow it out of proportion...

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Originally posted by Shakka Wow. This got outa hand in a hurry. While CTs may call this a terrible act of brute force and what not, it would seem that level-headed folk recognize that this guy kinda asked for it and got what was coming to him. Maybe a wee bit over the top, but then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll think twice next time he decides to act like a total douche.

Its the trouble with kids today. Gone are the days higher educational institutions breed independent thought and expression. Instead they teach apathy and conformity. Kids are so confused they don't know how to express their frustrations and it comes out contorted like this incident. What ever happened to the good 'ol campus war protest? Now they end up supporting people like Ron Paul and everything turns into a Big Brother conspiracy.

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