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Originally posted by CHRles PS Hillary rocks!

Ugh.

She's another just one who wants to sell out our country to the highest bidder.



At least we now know where Hillary stands in regards to the New World Order.

It'll be a while until the countries of the world trust enough to form a single Global government. Kind of like the UN, only effective.
You're not likely to see that form until some sort of great war or some other catastrophe ends up uniting the people of the world. In sceince fiction stories, people point out that an alien invasion can ultimately help to unite the world. People will realize they're not all that different from one another. It is also likely that we will soon (relatively speaking) start to try and colonize other planets. That'll end up bringing this planet closer together b/c the people colonizing those planets will come from all parts of Earth.
Right now though, there's too much of a clash between Christian vs. Muslim values.

A global government representing all of planet Earth will evantually happen form. If the countries of Europe can unite to form the EU, and if the fifty states here can form the US, and if the US can partner with Canada and Mexico, I see all these countries evantually coming together. Soon afterwards Southeast Asia and Latin America will want to join in, as will parts of Africa.

Nationalism was something that took hold of countries starting in the late 18th century, but it wasn't until the early part of the 20th century that it ironically became a global movement. So yeah, evantually nationalism will be replaced by globalism.

I'm all for it.

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Originally posted by CHRles I'm disgusted with the Hezbollah. Thankfully I live in the US where politicians mess up, but also do a lot of good, and are open to criticism. PS Hillary rocks!

Are you still referring to my classification of Hezbollah as a grass roots organization? Do you want to not be a latinlover, and support your opinion by proving to me with some evidence that Hezbollah is not grass roots, that the Shiite populace of Lebanon don't back Hezbollah...

You are an idiot of the highest order by attributing my dissent of US foreign and economic policy to a support of terrorism...

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Originally posted by Krypton You are an idiot of the highest order terrorism...

That means so much coming from you, someone who supports the Hezbollah

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Originally posted by Krypton Are you still referring to my classification of Hezbollah as a grass roots organization? Do you want to not be a latinlover, and support your opinion by proving to me with some evidence that Hezbollah is not grass roots, that the Shiite populace of Lebanon don't back Hezbollah...

I, for one, never understood your argument. In order to be grassroots, you're arguing that it simply must be popular among a certain segment of a certain population? The KKK could qualify under those parameters.

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Originally posted by CHRles That means so much coming from you, someone who supports the Hezbollah

Do you want to provide a non-bullshit response? Because truthfully, you already pussied out before in this very same thread (page3 remember)...

First, you completely disregard my challenge..."...support your opinion by proving to me with some evidence that Hezbollah is not grass roots, that the Shiite populace of Lebanon don't back Hezbollah..."

And you wimped out to my first challenge...The Propaganda Model, which you oh so gracefully used anecdotal stories about your teacher which somehow was supposed to debunk the model. I'm astounded...

Do you want to try again?? I'll again post the filters so you can address each one as to why you believe they are wrong, in specific terms. I really want to know what you are thinking. That's why I want you to support yourself with some sources. I don't care about your teacher, or your personal life. Just post your sources that support your assertions. That's all...

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1. Ownership of the medium
The first filter, ownership, notes that most major media outlets are owned by large corporations.

2. Medium's funding sources
The second, funding, notes that the outlets derive the majority of their funding from advertising, not readers. Thus, since they are profit-oriented businesses selling a product � readers and audiences � to other businesses (advertisers), the model would expect them to publish news which would reflect the desires and values of those businesses.

3. Sourcing
In addition, the news media are dependent on government institutions and major businesses with strong biases as sources (the third filter) for much of their information.

4. Flak
Flak, the fourth filter, refers to the various pressure groups which go after the media for supposed bias and so on when they go out of line.

5. Anti-communist ideology
Norms, the fifth filter, refer to the common conceptions shared by those in the profession of journalism. (Note: in the original text, published in 1988, the fifth filter was "anticommunism". However, with the fall of the Soviet Union, it has been broadened to allow for shifts in public opinion).

Nope, I'm gonna pussssssy out again, and stick with my original answer

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Originally posted by CHRles A global government representing all of planet Earth will evantually happen form. If the countries of Europe can unite to form the EU, and if the fifty states here can form the US, and if the US can partner with Canada and Mexico, I see all these countries evantually coming together. Soon afterwards Southeast Asia and Latin America will want to join in, as will parts of Africa.

And the government of Canada, US, and Mexico will get 5 armies a year, while the Latin American government will only get 2 armies a year.

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Originally posted by CHRles Nationalism was something that took hold of countries starting in the late 18th century, but it wasn't until the early part of the 20th century that it ironically became a global movement. So yeah, evantually nationalism will be replaced by globalism. I'm all for it.

Oh, I read this wrong the first time.

I thought you supported nationalism.

I do like the parallel you draw between nationalism and globalism. I think it's quite apropriate.

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Originally posted by CHRles Nope, I'm gonna pussssssy out again, and stick with my original answer

Then why are you here if you refuse to debate? Are you latinlover under a different name? Are you two related?

Obviously, you don't have the ability to counter-argue with specific points, but would rather use cute little stories about your teacher, and your own speculative unsupported opinion. The reason I'm asking you to address specifically my arguments is because I want to know what you're thinking. Why else would I be so adamant in asking you for your view on something you obviously said you don't agree with? So why don't you support your case?

If you want me to change my mind, and have your opinion, why don't you support your argument against my view of the media, supported by the Propaganda Model?

I wonder to what ext

This is from several years ago but I wonder to what extent this still goes on? After all of the post-9/11 legislation that's been passed I'm sure they're working in full force.

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Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working On News At CNN? 3/27/00 Reports in the Dutch newspaper Trouw (2/21/00, 2/25/00) and France's Intelligence Newsletter (2/17/00) have revealed that several officers from the US Army's 4th Psychological Operations (PSYOPS) Group at Ft. Bragg worked in the news division at CNN's Atlanta headquarters last year, starting in the final days of the Kosovo War. In the U.S. media, so far only Alexander Cockburn, columnist for The Nation and co-editor of the newsletter CounterPunch, has picked up on the story. Cockburn's column on the subject is available at www.counterpunch.org. The story is disturbing. In the 1980s, officers from the 4th Army PSYOPS group staffed the National Security Council's Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), a shadowy government propaganda agency that planted stories in the U.S. media supporting the Reagan Administration's Central America policies. A senior US official described OPD as a "vast psychological warfare operation of the kind the military conducts to influence a population in enemy territory." (Miami Herald, 7/19/87) An investigation by the congressional General Accounting Office found that OPD had engaged in "prohibited, covert propaganda activities," and the office was soon shut down as a result of the Iran-Contra investigations. But the 4th PSYOPS group still operates. CNN has always maintained a close relationship with the Pentagon. Getting access to top military officials is a necessity for a network that stakes its reputation on being first on the ground during wars and other military operations. What makes the CNN story especially troubling is the fact that the network allowed the Army's covert propagandists to work in its headquarters, where they learned the ins and outs of CNN's operations. Even if the PSYOPS officers working in the newsroom did not influence news reporting, did the network allow the military to conduct an intelligence-gathering mission against CNN itself? For instance, one PSYOPS officer worked in CNN's satellite division. According to Intelligence Newsletter, rear admiral Thomas Steffens, a psychological warfare expert in the Special Operations Command, recently told a PSYOPS conference that the military needed to find ways to "gain control" over commercial news satellites to help bring down an "informational cone of silence" over regions where special operations were taking place. An unofficial strategy paper published by the U.S. Naval War College in 1996 and written by an Army officer ("Military Operations in the CNN World: Using the Media as a Force Multiplier") urged military commanders to find ways to "leverage the vast resources of the fourth estate" for the purposes of "communicating the [mission's] objective and endstate, boosting friendly morale, executing more effective psychological operations, playing a major role in deception of the enemy, and enhancing intelligence collection." ACTION: Please write to CNN and ask why the network allowed government propaganda specialists to work in their news division. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748

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