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Originally posted by Frenchie You cannot do that.

it's been done before, but to not-so-varied results.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/engl...r%3D255+255+255

Montreal is in the top five of largest French-speaking cities in the world, and is one of the biggest cities in Canada (at least I think?)...hence my saying that a large proportion of people in Canada speak French.

I was assuming that Frenchie lives in Montreal.

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Originally posted by Frenchie lol @ the random red dots. You cannot do that.

I'm saying I agree in principle, but it's not that black and white. You can't force people to have national pride (then again you can't force them to be nice to strangers or learn the local language either...)

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Can't do what?! Ask people to learn the local vernacular?

You can't say "yes" and follow it with "not really".

-I live in Toronto, MTL is a big city but it doesn't mean that Canada is MOSTLY or HEAVILY French populated and I think you are now confusing yourself as to what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Frenchie You can't say "yes" and follow it with "not really". -I live in Toronto, MTL is a big city but it doesn't mean that Canada is MOSTLY or HEAVILY French populated and I think you are now confusing yourself as to what you are talking about.

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Originally posted by Domesticated That's a completely different situation since so much of Canada is French...

By that I meant that in Canada, such a high proportion of the population (not geographical area) speaks French when compared with other countries.

There is a similar situation in other countries which even have as much as 50/50 split between two languages (in that case I'd expect migrants to learn one of the two), but let's not forget that this thread was about Australia.

I can't find any statistics on the ABS website, but something like 98% of our population speaks English as a first language...

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I can't find any statistics on the ABS website, but something like 98% of our population speaks English as a first language...

sounds like you could use some diversity.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous sounds like you could use some diversity.

You obviously know nothing of Australia.

We are extremely culturally diverse, but a majority of migrants tend to be assimilated into the community within a generation or so.

Over here we have masses of people with Greek, Italian and Chinese backgrounds (i.e parents or grandparents), and there are more arriving every day. In the past five years our African-descent population has also increased massively and shows no signs of slowing down.

I for one welcome migrants. Without them we wouldn't have Thai, Chinese, Italian, Greek, Mexican and all the other foods I love. Perhaps in twenty years we will have Sudanese, Ethiopian etc cuisine too.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Perhaps in twenty years we will have Sudanese, Ethiopian etc cuisine too.

I thought they were supposed to assimilate.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog You obviously know nothing of Australia.

Do you? I mean do you really?

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I thought they were supposed to assimilate.

Verb

* S: (v) absorb, assimilate, ingest, take in (take up mentally) "he absorbed the knowledge or beliefs of his tribe"
* S: (v) assimilate (become similar to one's environment) "Immigrants often want to assimilate quickly"
* S: (v) assimilate (make similar) "This country assimilates immigrants very quickly"
* S: (v) assimilate, imbibe (take (gas, light or heat) into a solution)
* S: (v) assimilate (become similar in sound) "The nasal assimilates to the following consonant"


http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=assimilate

Just because someone's been assimilated, it doesn't mean they don't still retain their own cultural identity, while being part of their new one.

I'm not saying migrants should drop everything they knew and say "I live in a new country now, I should pretend I've lived here all my life". All I'm saying is that they should learn the language, and hence consummate their citizenship, just like you consummate a catholic marriage with sex (that was a joke, morons).

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Originally posted by Frenchie Do you? I mean do you really?

err..yeah, I do.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I for one welcome migrants. Without them we wouldn't have Thai, Chinese, Italian, Greek, Mexican

don't know about Mexicans as I don't know any but the rest of em... (generalising here based on my interactions with people from those cultures) sure work a lot harder than other members of the population. Quite enterprising too I might add, even if they don't all speak English.

beat blog vs. the world

WHO WILL WIN?



i'm too lazy to fight, lets just have makeup sex already

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Originally posted by echosystm beat blog vs. the world WHO WILL WIN?

Me of course.

Seriously though, not one person agrees with me that immigrants should learn to speak the language when they move? That's all. I didn't even say they should become employed or do anything else...just learn the dialect.

I'd expect that from myself if I moved to a foreign country.

p.s why is everyone bringing immigrant work ethic into this? It's a non-issue.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog The above applies to any country. Have can a person feel any loyalty or connection to the place they are living if they don't speak the language, and hence can't interact or form bonds with "real" citizens who have been living there all their lives? They may as well be back living in whatever country they came from, minus the war or whatever other reason(s) they left.

but i dont think they want to become austrailians. they just live there and might be there for work.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Bah, regardless of policies, how can anyone like that little turd Kevin Rudd? John Howard may be a feeble old man, but Rudd is the epitome of the nerd...the guy you used to bash at school. Glasses, fucking gay hair, and the thing that pisses me off the most - that little self righteous smirk he constantly has, like he knows something we don't.

he knows his gonna shit it in, in the election

his got my vote....

He also knows why the answer is 42

so like... are we going to have make up sex or not?
i've got the barry white cd ready and everything

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Originally posted by echosystm so like... are we going to have make up sex or not? i've got the barry white cd ready and everything

Sure dude, what's your address?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Sure dude, what's your address?

488 George Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia

I agree with most of what beat blog has said. It seems that there are a huge amount of immigrants that make no effort to learn to speak English at all or try and fit in with the rest of the community. Instead, we're left with heaps of communities - Asian, Greek, Jewish etc. that keep to themselves and are basically just satellite states of their own home country and do very little to become an 'Australian'.

Shit like the Cronulla riots; suspicion of every Muslim etc. would not happen if these people branched outside of their own ghetto and attempted to adapt to the wider community. In fact, the current trend needs to be curbed while it still can. if not, tensions will only increase and these communities will only become more entenched.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Sure dude, what's your address?

hijack!
yo sush, think you could host something for me sometime next week?

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Originally posted by nchs09 but i dont think they want to become austrailians. they just live there and might be there for work.

...and that's the root of the issue.

Don't come here, or to any other country, unless you're willing to be a part of it. Obviously I'm talking about people who move with the intention of staying until death, not people here for two years working.

It's like joining a sporting team and then purposely not playing, just standing there in the middle of the game (crap analogy I know).

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Originally posted by Beat Blog (crap analogy I know).

In a word...not really.

But yes.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog ...and that's the root of the issue. Don't come here, or to any other other country, unless you're willing to be a part of it. It's like joining a sporting team and then purposely not playing, just standing there in the middle of the game (crap analogy I know).

i guess we wont agree on this. i hope a spider sneaks inside your car

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