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Every time I read the word "Ishkur", my mood changes into this:

ishkur is god, everything he says is right, i'd lick his balls

how is BT not catchy? unless we are talking strictly non-vocal, i don't even think there is an argument.

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Originally posted by SMC "Boring" is highly subjective, and so is "compelling".

Let's have a "hypothetical" situation where the two are antonyms. I'll even let you say what music is compelling and what is boring, to fit with your condition of subjectiveness. Do you listen to compelling or boring music, in your opinion?

If you find it compelling, then your music would definitely contain a hook of some kind. Whatever you find compelling about the track: that's probably the hook! Or one of them, as the case may be.

If you find it boring, then why are you listening to it anyway?

Now, in keeping with your whole idea of subjectiveness, I find BT's dance music boring, by and large. A large majority of it lacks something I find to be a compelling hook, by what I've laid out here as a hook. I don't see how you can take issue with such a critique on anything more than the basis of opinion, and if you care all that much about subjectiveness, then I don't think you really have no basis whatsoever to try to discount what I've said here.

Ishkur's got a point. I already hate plastic-y perfection to begin with (see: trance anno 2007), but on top of that BT tries to pass it off as art without having anything real going on in the first place. I actually can't remember what most of his tracks sound like, except Flaming June.

What pops into my mind is that time Madonna was talking about Aphex Twin and "Electronica", and you could tell she was just saying it to add credibility. That's what BT does. All this "experimentation" and "abstract concepts" to prove a point that isn't there.

P.S. What the fuck is with that Ableton video? What a ****.

EDIT: For more pretentiousness, find the video of Blu Mar Ten demonstrating a track off their new album in Reason 3. Give it a rest guys, you don't need any more fucking layers! And enough with the bloody world music samples.

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Originally posted by woscar99 Every time I read the word "Ishkur", my mood changes into this:

I'm gonna have to go with the minority on this one.. I understand people having issues with Ishkur, i have my own too. But when people read his guide they're always only focusing on the negative, and miss the good points he's making, we (or atleast myself) have to give it to him though, he works hard as hell, and imo he's more oppinionated than a straight up prick.. To the best of my knowledge he doesn't start war's, The people who can't try to see the positive aspects of his posts start them..

I think i should shut up now

^this tool couldn't produce his way out of a paper bag and he thinks he's an authority on 'musical talent'?

pffffft

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Originally posted by ninetyninej ^this tool couldn't produce his way out of a paper bag and he thinks he's an authority on 'musical talent'? pffffft

What you're saying is that if a chef serves up a pile of steaming cow dung, as a customer you're not allowed to complain. Why don't you sod off?

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Originally posted by distant What you're saying is that if a chef serves up a pile of steaming cow dung...

I'm almost certain that's considered a delicacy somewhere.

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Originally posted by ninetyninej ^this tool couldn't produce his way out of a paper bag and he thinks he's an authority on 'musical talent'? pffffft

Ishkur didnt say he was a bad producer, he said that BT focuses on the technology involved rather than the actual song.

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Originally posted by distant What you're saying is that if a chef serves up a pile of steaming cow dung, as a customer you're not allowed to complain. Why don't you sod off?

but if the customers knowledge of food only extends into chicken fingers and french fries, and the chef is preparing a rare fish only found in the seas off the coast of japan then can you really take the customer seriously? anyone is ALLOWED to judge, but personally i only accept judgements from those equally qualified.

That must have taken a little while to put together...

i've always been a fan of BT, but its like listening to a symphany really, pleasing to hear in the background, but as probably mention earlier, his drum work needs a bit of a rather helping hand...YAY FOR 808 Loops

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Let's have a "hypothetical" situation where the two are antonyms. I'll even let you say what music is compelling and what is boring, to fit with your condition of subjectiveness. Do you listen to compelling or boring music, in your opinion? If you find it compelling, then your music would definitely contain a hook of some kind. Whatever you find compelling about the track: that's probably the hook! Or one of them, as the case may be. If you find it boring, then why are you listening to it anyway? Now, in keeping with your whole idea of subjectiveness, I find BT's dance music boring, by and large. A large majority of it lacks something I find to be a compelling hook, by what I've laid out here as a hook. I don't see how you can take issue with such a critique on anything more than the basis of opinion, and if you care all that much about subjectiveness, then I don't think you really have no basis whatsoever to try to discount what I've said here.

What i had a problem with was the idea that the presence of a (melodic) hook (a hook in the traditional sense), as an objective feature, is what determines whether a piece of music can be compelling to anyone. I can't stand that type of attitude where people present their taste and opinions as if they were facts, and now even great laws�.

The hook as you defined it is a completely different story and i can't disagree with any of what you said. I'm sure we find different things to be compelling, and as irrelevant as that may be, that's a bit of the point.

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Originally posted by distant What you're saying is that if a chef serves up a pile of steaming cow dung, as a customer you're not allowed to complain. Why don't you sod off?

lol, the sheeple have spoken!

I certainly did read the whole article but I suppose I didn't get my point across. While well-produced music doesn't necessarily mean good music in the case of TBU in my opinion, it is good music. That's all. I just happen to disagree because I like BT's music in addition to respecting his level of expertise. The first track on TBU I thought was great even though it was written entirely in CSound.

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Originally posted by Clovis As opposed to your amazingly concise and well structured rants? He's not trying to prove a point, something you obviously missed...

I had a point to make, and I made it.

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Originally posted by Ishkur I had a point to make, and I made it.

Fuck off gimp. You didn't make shit.

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Originally posted by Ishkur I had a point to make, and I made it.

So does Bush when he makes his speeches but we laugh at his ignorance too.

You both have a lot in common; stroking your own ego and basking in your own self-righteousness



/participation-in-the-goings-on-of-sheeple

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Originally posted by Space Marine Fuck off gimp. You didn't make shit.

You make an eloquent argument. I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I love threads that revolve around Ishkur. So much hate.

Agree or disagree, whether you think he's a complete cunt or not, it's entertainment.

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http://www.365mag.com/index.php?pg=spec&recnum=375&Title=Column%3A+Sean+Cusick+on+365Mag+International+Music+Magazine

I couldn't even get past the first paragraph where he claims that everyone BEGGED him to write it.

people begged cusick to write it after he mentioned his dislike of bt's music in a previous column

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Originally posted by RJT Agree or disagree, whether you think he's a complete cunt or not,

Hahaha, yeah.

Ishkur vs Element-Y, lets make it happen.

Ishkur should never be taken seriously...

BT is a musical genius. He's tries out things no one would ever dare to because they'd rather stick to what everyone else is doing. The technical process BT goes through is truly astounding and unique.

Also, where do you get off comparing BT to Ferry Corsten? Your article is merely a reflection of a recent infatuation with Ferry Corsten. Given, this is your personal view of the artist, but you're trying to bring it to a point to make whomever reads the article dislike BT.

The problem with the scene today are the Luddites who refuse to move forward, who refuse the embrace change but would rather bring up the epic 90's and Oakenfold's EM tour.

In my opinion, this is nothing but a poorly written article full of mediocre similes.

edit: Ishkur, you're not by any chance against ableton for djing are you?

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