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HAHA at all of you who think they can change the warming of the earth

Clicky

this thread should answer everything ................... lol

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Clicky this thread should answer everything ................... lol

What is Globalwarming?
Scientific Fact 67.54%
Theory 18.42%
I dont care, we will die before it affects us anyway! 14.04%

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced the people who warn us against global warming have much to gain from scaring us

Precisely!

The relevance of whether or not humans have caused or accelerated global warming has been moot for some time - there is no way to reverse it or slow it down to a point where we will not feel the effects or have to devise ways to stay alive in our newfound Atlantis. I can't help but feel that global warming is just one of those stupid trends that people will pretend to care about intensely, but eventually find something else to crusade for when it's no longer chic. Everyone remember Y2K? *brief pause for laughter* I'm not saying it's not a legitimate concern - I am just saying that Global WarmingTM is the namesake which awards celebrity politicians for their awesome awareness-raising deeds and agenda-based profits! I mean, really, what does Al Gore have a Doctorate in?

Can people be arsed to compromise their current quality of life for something so nebulous as the weather getting warmer? I doubt it. I don't have that sort of faith in humanity.

And if awareness and action is to be arisen, it will be the corporations that bring it about. It's not even a matter of resources so much as it is the advertising monopoly and consumer hegemony they can exert. Think about our fuel situation - reliable, cheap, efficient transportation - it's all meticulously controlled by corporations. There is a reason why many companies are coordinating technological release so that they can be the ones who bring driving into a new age of humanity. So that they can be the saviours - the messiahs - the Fathers. And who will be the one to step up and save us from ourselves when the oceans close in on us - reclaim us as the aquatic feebleness we once were? It does not matter who, as it is an inevitability there will be someone there to collect when there is so much to gain; and fearful people pay the most - it is the desperate rich that fund Governments as it is. But could negative propaganda disguised as science be an investment of sorts? We'll see, I guess.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Precisely!

oh come on, you're better than that. that's what people who don't have the science behind them resort to.

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i can't help but feel that global warming is just one of those stupid trends that people will pretend to care about intensely, but eventually find something else to crusade for when it's no longer chic. Everyone remember Y2K? *brief pause for laughter* I'm not saying it's not a legitimate concern - I am just saying that Global WarmingTM is the namesake which awards celebrity politicians for their awesome awareness-raising deeds and agenda-based profits! I mean, really, what does Al Gore have a Doctorate in?

what came first, the chicken or the egg?

did al gore "discover" climate change? of course not. sure, there might be people jumping on the bandwagon as you say, but how do you explain nearly universal consensus amongst climate scientists? do you really think the entire globe's minds are all getting together on the weekend to see where they can push their nefarious global climate change agenda?

what is the point of having "experts" in any field if we are going to so casually ignore what they have to say?

why does someone who is

...typing on a personal computer, that runs on electricity delivered from miles away, and is using this computer to chat to other people across the world in a global networking environment...

have such doubt about scientific opinion? an opinion that has been been shaped by the available evidence over the last 30 odd years? if this is really a "beat up" by climate scientists to pull the wool over our eyes, where's THAT evidence?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN did al gore "discover" climate change? of course not.

Heh, Al Gore invented Global Warming, didn't you hear? He just used to call it "Earthly Heating-Up" so he doesn't get as much credit for it as he deserves.

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sure, there might be people jumping on the bandwagon as you say, but how do you explain nearly universal consensus amongst climate scientists? do you really think the entire globe's minds are all getting together on the weekend to see where they can push their nefarious global climate change agenda?

How do you know there is universal consensus on the matter? Have you met every climate scientist in the world or did you just read that somewhere?

Soldiers do not fight in wars to change the world, they merely do what they are told. What information is released from conflict is filtered and scanned by the people who want it to present in a way which preserves their interests or directs their hegemony in a favourable manner.

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what is the point of having "experts" in any field if we are going to so casually ignore what they have to say? why does someone who is ...typing on a personal computer, that runs on electricity delivered from miles away, and is using this computer to chat to other people across the world in a global networking environment... have such doubt about scientific opinion? an opinion that has been been shaped by the available evidence over the last 30 odd years? if this is really a "beat up" by climate scientists to pull the wool over our eyes, where's THAT evidence?

Science is just one, big circle-jerk. It seeks for the truth on its own terms. It credits itself with its own achievements, it pats itself on the back every time it finds something it didn't know before and seeks to streamline its own logic by assimilating or destroying alternate methods of thought. You think it is incomparable to religion? Not wholly.

Who are these experts and why do we have them? I didn't vote for any experts.

I am, of course, only part-way serious at this point, but I find your defense amusing as usual.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Heh, Al Gore invented Global Warming, didn't you hear? He just used to call it "Earthly Heating-Up" so he doesn't get as much credit for it as he deserves.

haha!

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Soldiers do not fight in wars to change the world, they merely do what they are told. What information is released from conflict is filtered and scanned by the people who want it to present in a way which preserves their interests or directs their hegemony in a favourable manner.

ahhhh, now we're getting into the wonderful world of conspiracies. unfortunately yours fails to expand beyond the usual rhetoric you hear from those that like to spit in the face of consensus.

now, considering that climate change is a big BIG problem for all of those that have power (governments and big business) why exactly are they "filtering" the scientific opinion towards a consensus that is the very antithesis of their needs and desires?

i would very much like a concrete argument (as opposed to the generic "evil powerful people controlling our information access") regarding exactly who it is you feel is hi-jacking the global warming debate/evidence, and how they are doing so.

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Science is just one, big circle-jerk. It seeks for the truth on its own terms. It credits itself with its own achievements, it pats itself on the back every time it finds something it didn't know before and seeks to streamline its own logic by assimilating or destroying alternate methods of thought.

can i have what you are smoking? scientists are the most capable of evolving their opinions or theories when presented with facts that undermine their thesis. but, since im interested:

what "alternative methods of thought" are being "destroyed" by the current global warming debate?

what evidence are they intentionally ignoring and who is making it?

indeed, asides from scientific inquiry, what other methods do you see available to us to understand or explain our climate?

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I am, of course, only part-way serious at this point, but I find your defense amusing as usual.

amusing? in what way?

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Originally posted by fayraree someone's been watch An Inconvenient Truth!

Never seen it...

I'm already in massive debt with my huge unsold y2k-proof safety flashlights. I'm not going to be able to cash in on this scare

Excuse: "The people talking most about global warming have the most the gain from it. "

Anyone who says this has no scientific evidence to prove otherwise. So they fall below the logical fallacy I call slander. They have nothing good to say, so they talk shit about the speaker. Until the scientific consensus proves otherwise, all you climate change deniers are denying what's in right in front of your face.

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Ice caps are melting. That's a fact. Greenhouse gases are at untold highs, this proven by ice core samples in the polar ice caps. Hell, even here in the southeast US, I've never seen a drought this bad, and meteorologists are saying its one of the worst in decades. Lake Okeechobee is at a record low. Georgia lakes are record lows. The state governments (Florida, Georgia, Alabama) are going nuts trying to figure out how share the water thats left. Europe has recently seen back-to-back record hot summers. The scary thing is these hotter summers are coming on year after year. These are not isolated events.

if the earth wanted to it could shake us off like a bad case of fleas. we aint hurting it.

jiggas talkin bout global warmin ooo its soo hot tsss ow. nah b i be talkin bout jumbo bumble bees, where they bee at, beeatch. straight the fuck up. what we gonna do without the honey homey. what we gonna spreads on our toasts. penaut butters.....? fuck dat. bears may like peanut butter but they like the honeys too. winnie love da honey and i love da wendy's. i love da honey's. i be walkin out da club bottle full of bub somethin something somethin im into having sex not into making love eh ughhh *diddy dance* im straight up mackin honey;s dawg...save the bees..one

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ahhhh, now we're getting into the wonderful world of conspiracies. unfortunately yours fails to expand beyond the usual rhetoric you hear from those that like to spit in the face of consensus.

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now, considering that climate change is a big BIG problem for all of those that have power (governments and big business) why exactly are they "filtering" the scientific opinion towards a consensus that is the very antithesis of their needs and desires? i would very much like a concrete argument (as opposed to the generic "evil powerful people controlling our information access") regarding exactly who it is you feel is hi-jacking the global warming debate/evidence, and how they are doing so.

Big problems have big solutions, no?

Also, the very basis of the "shadow government with secret agendas" thing is completely based on the anonymity of its proprietors. If you knew who was really at the head of it all, it wouldn't be a very effective secret, now would it?

You want me to name names when there exists only a namelessness. In the meanwhile, JEWS AND FEMINISTS.

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can i have what you are smoking? scientists are the most capable of evolving their opinions or theories when presented with facts that undermine their thesis.

Ideally.

A great Scientist would say "I don't know" when confronted with a question that is currently unanswerable. Maybe they would speculate if asked or would feel obligated to find a rational explanation, but in the end, scientists are humans who are trying to deal in a trade that is far above themselves. Chaos ensues.

But yeah, compared to, say, Fundamentalist Christians, scientists tend to be pretty agreeable and able to change their minds. :P

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what "alternative methods of thought" are being "destroyed" by the current global warming debate?

The belief that baby seals are in fact being expelled from God's anus to melt our icecaps from beyond another dimension with their Laser eyes.

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what evidence are they intentionally ignoring and who is making it?

Heh, you ask so many questions that only have answers you are expecting. Maybe you should start asking questions that don't have answers yet. you love scientists so much, why don't you think like them?

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indeed, asides from scientific inquiry, what other methods do you see available to us to understand or explain our climate?

Are you really asking me this? Are you honestly not convinced yet that I am fully aware of what the scientific community's consensus is at this point? Maybe you just want me to say that we should all stay inside and light incense while asking our Ouija boards what to do when the sun shines too much outside? I am not doubtful of the scientific process. And that is not what I have been arguing about. The political polarization and its implications towards fascist logic and control are what interest me. Not because I believe I am being "lied" to at every moment, but because the possibility is, as far as even your precious science might be concerned, not utterly disproved.

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Originally posted by Krypton Ice caps are melting. That's a fact. Greenhouse gases are at untold highs, this proven by ice core samples in the polar ice caps. Hell, even here in the southeast US, I've never seen a drought this bad, and meteorologists are saying its one of the worst in decades. Lake Okeechobee is at a record low. Georgia lakes are record lows. The state governments (Florida, Georgia, Alabama) are going nuts trying to figure out how share the water thats left. Europe has recently seen back-to-back record hot summers. The scary thing is these hotter summers are coming on year after year. These are not isolated events.

don't forget your brothers and sisters on the opposite side of the globe! we're in the middle of a drought so big there are water restrictions 365 days a year in most of the country. farmers in rural areas are going to the wall.

people are actually being killed over water. no kidding. read something the other day where a neighbour beat an old guy to death for supposedly ignoring water restrictions.

"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE"

We may affect global climate we may not.

Global warming should and will continue to be a constant scientific debate.

Despite what many people believe, it has not, and will not be a proven fact any time soon.

We are just not that good at predicting weather...or even acurately tracking it.

Here are some interesting links about an error NASA made with regards to the 10 hottest years on record (these errors helped "Inconvenient Truth" make some powerful though now false statments).


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/0..._weather_error/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle2274346.ece

http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0817-nasa_snafu.html

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Originally posted by Krypton Excuse: "The people talking most about global warming have the most the gain from it. "

Who are you quoting?

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Anyone who says this has no scientific evidence to prove otherwise. So they fall below the logical fallacy I call slander. They have nothing good to say, so they talk shit about the speaker. Until the scientific consensus proves otherwise, all you climate change deniers are denying what's in right in front of your face. ------------------ Ice caps are melting. That's a fact. Greenhouse gases are at untold highs, this proven by ice core samples in the polar ice caps. Hell, even here in the southeast US, I've never seen a drought this bad, and meteorologists are saying its one of the worst in decades. Lake Okeechobee is at a record low. Georgia lakes are record lows. The state governments (Florida, Georgia, Alabama) are going nuts trying to figure out how share the water thats left. Europe has recently seen back-to-back record hot summers. The scary thing is these hotter summers are coming on year after year. These are not isolated events.

Easy there, tiger. What actual research have YOU conducted on global warming that has lead to scientific consensus? Have you even BEEN to the ice caps to see that they are melting? How would you even recognize a melting ice cap if you saw one?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You want me to name names when there exists only a namelessness. In the meanwhile, JEWS AND FEMINISTS.

serious fucking LOL. that's champagne comedy! hahahaha.

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Heh, you ask so many questions that only have answers you are expecting.

no, actually i was asking honest questions after an answer i presumed you had given your previous posts on this topic. if that is not the case, and you are merely hypothesising a possible mode of operations, then i shall ignore you

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Are you really asking me this? Are you honestly not convinced yet that I am fully aware of what the scientific community's consensus is at this point? Maybe you just want me to say that we should all stay inside and light incense while asking our Ouija boards what to do when the sun shines too much outside? I am not doubtful of the scientific process. And that is not what I have been arguing about. The political polarization and its implications towards fascist logic and control are what interest me. Not because I believe I am being "lied" to at every moment, but because the possibility is, as far as even your precious science might be concerned, not utterly disproved.

i like you halycon. you're my kind of crazy.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 Despite what many people believe, it has not, and will not be a proven fact any time soon.

neither has evolution you fucking arseclown

Once again, action towards climate change is good for the environment, so any of you shitfucks who still feel the need to nitpick findings and data can continue to do so, but you're not helping any cause other than that of pollution and waste.


Really, in this day and age, it should be universally accepted that this planet is not just a giant fucking trash can that will swallow any crap we throw at it. It isn't. Eco-systems are dying, mass extinctions are happening, the ocean is turning acidic...whether you like it or not.

The ultimate question is, whose fucking side are you on. That of the preservation of life or the destruction of it.


And pray tell, who the fuck will benefit from global warming?

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Originally posted by Clovis Once again, action towards climate change is good for the environment, so any of you shitfucks who still feel the need to nitpick findings and data can continue to do so, but you're not helping any cause other than that of pollution and waste. Really, in this day and age, it should be universally accepted that this planet is not just a giant fucking trash can that will swallow any crap we throw at it. It isn't. Eco-systems are dying, mass extinctions are happening, the ocean is turning acidic...whether you like it or not. The ultimate question is, whose fucking side are you on. That of the preservation of life or the destruction of it. And pray tell, who the fuck will benefit from global warming?

fucken 'aye.

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Originally posted by Clovis And pray tell, who the fuck will benefit from global warming?

Warmer oceans mean more biodiversity.

It's may not be good for humans though, you're right.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Warmer oceans mean more biodiversity.

oceans that warm too quickly for organisms to adapt basically destroy entire eco-systems.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Warmer oceans mean more biodiversity. It's may not be good for humans though, you're right.

Oh how wrong you are...

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Originally posted by Clovis Oh how wrong you are...

I know, right? Totally unnecessary conjunction. My hands are cold, where the fuck is this global warming?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I know, right? Totally unnecessary conjunction. My hands are cold, where the fuck is this global warming?

You have to own a hummer for it to work dude.

Good. Fucking. Lawdy. I've been duped! You wanted the names and agendas of those profiting behind global warming, pkc? Here it is:

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Ocean Life in Hot Water Global warming is taking a toll on fish�and helping jellyfish rule the sea By Bjorn Carey | March 2007 1. Paltry Plankton Using a decade's worth of satellite data, scientists have determined that rising ocean temperatures are killing phytoplankton. Not only do these tiny plants form the base of oceanic food webs, they also process as much carbon dioxide and produce as much oxygen as land plants do. Although the findings may be influenced by El Ni�o, the researchers say the the study provides a sneak peek at how ocean biology will evolve as the climate continues to change. 2. Gasping for Air German scientists have found that eelpouts (elongated fish with eel-like heads) require more oxygen to perform basic functions as water temperatures increase�a big problem because warmer waters contain less oxygen. Despite eelpouts' better-than-average tolerance of thermal fluctuations, their population decrease in the North Sea has coincided with rising temperatures. Less-hardy fish such as Atlantic cod are suffering similar effects. 3. Heat Misers Jellyfish will actually thrive in warmer oceans�bad news for dozens of fish species, says biologist Martin Attrill of the University of Plymouth in England. Attrill has analyzed 50 years' worth of data from the North Sea and found that jellyfish are more prevalent in warm-water years. As seas continue to heat up, this could pose trouble for cod, salmon and other commercial fish: Jellyfish not only outcompete fish larvae for food but eat them too.

Jews and feminists were merely a distraction. Jellyfish shall inherit the Earth and WE ARE HELPING THEM.

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