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Originally posted by JD8180 edit: and yes, there are some cheap alternatives like tuna and stuff like that, but there are PLENTY more cheap unhealthy foods right next to it.

While that may very well be true, I think the point Ygrene was making was that it's completely possible to sustain yourself on very healthy, cheap foods. And really, what other purpose for food is there other than mere nourishment?

aha.

Thought of an answer?

Food is awesome. It tastes great when made properly and some of it is really quite pleasing to our senses - there's an entire culture of food out there within the consumer culture - in fact, one might even argue that cuisine is the complete basis for consumerism in the first place. Like almost every 'civilised' endeavour, mere survival is not enough. It must be pleasing to our senses as well as our cultural sensibilities. It just so happens that western nations tend to hold consumerism quite high, and so the transmission of solipsistic behaviour does not cease, especially when it is paraded about as something "necessary" by those with everything to gain by making everyone gain, so to speak.

I can't believe how many people seem to hold onto the three square meals a day of meat n' potatoes routine. You just don't need to eat that much. Especially if you aren't going to use the calories at all.

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Originally posted by Ygrene 3 cans tuna = $1.80 ~90 grams protein 1 bag brown rice = $2.55 ~666 grams carb We're way over on RDA for calories here. Total stands at $4.35. Spend $15 on a 90 day daily vitamin so that's $.17 a day and our total now is: $4.52. Take the additional $3.48 and spend it on fruits, veggies, milk, whatever. Mix it up every day. I know it's extreme but I'm just illustrating a point. If someone wants to maintain a relatively healthy lifestyle, it doesn't have to be expensive.

very true. i dont think of tuna in general cause i dont like it but from a health stand point your point is well illustrated. and although i totally concede you to winning, theres the flip side if your like me and get tired of the same thing, even if there are variations if only slight, you want something new. theres not much difference in tuna and rice.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel very true. i dont think of tuna in general cause i dont like it but from a health stand point your point is well illustrated. and although i totally concede you to winning, theres the flip side if your like me and get tired of the same thing, even if there are variations if only slight, you want something new. theres not much difference in tuna and rice.

this is what i was referring to in my edit. if you compare your cheap, healthy foods to cheap, unhealthy foods there are a lot more choices for you on the unhealthy side.

another factor that i'm sure plays a good part is the fact of how EASY it is to come across unhealthy foods. you are literally surrounded by fast food restaurants pretty much anywhere you are, so it's much easier on your lunch break to pass by and pick it up and be eating in 5 minutes, than to actually go and cook up a meal.

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Originally posted by JD8180 this is what i was referring to in my edit. if you compare your cheap, healthy foods to cheap, unhealthy foods there are a lot more choices for you on the unhealthy side. another factor that i'm sure plays a good part is the fact of how EASY it is to come across unhealthy foods. you are literally surrounded by fast food restaurants pretty much anywhere you are, so it's much easier on your lunch break to pass by and pick it up and be eating in 5 minutes, than to actually go and cook up a meal.

yeah very true. i actually have a few grocery stores 5mins from work though so i cant use that excuse.

No food has some magical property such that it will make you fat irrespective of the amount you consume. The important question is not really why people are eating so-called "fattening foods," but why they are eating too much of them. And this cannot be answered by referring to the alleged fact that so-called "healthy foods" are more expensive.

If you asked an obese person what healthy food is, I have a feeling that you wouldn't receive an answer like "Snickers Bars, soda, and french fries!" People who eat crappy food know what they are doing. They just neglect to think (or care) about the future of their body. The pleasure of eating all those French fries and chocolate bars in their 20s outweighs the nebulous, temporally remote possibility of severe weight problems or a heart attack in their 40s or 50s. Before they know it, they weigh 250 or 300 pounds and have diabetes.

I think the feeling of invulnerability may be what does people in. That, and the denial of what is happening as the pounds creep on.

And apparently having obese friends can "make you fat." Poor phrasing, but kind of an interesting finding.

Myth: Lots of poor people are fat� they're not suffering.

Fact: Fat has more to do with genes and past starvation than current nutrition.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-poorfat.htm

not sure if it was posted or not

People living on low-income are more likely to be depressed. And depressed people are less likely to give a shit about themselves.

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Myth: Lots of poor people are fat� they're not suffering.

Nobody has said that poor people are "not suffering."

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Dr. Martin Seligman, an authority on obesity, writes: "Nineteen out of twenty studies show that obese people consume no more calories each day than non-obese people. In one remarkable experiment, a group of very obese people dieted down to only 60 percent overweight and stayed there. They needed one hundred fewer calories a day to stay at 60 percent overweight than normal people needed to stay at a normal weight."

Indeed, but the article draws the wrong conclusion from this data. It is not that "genes make people fat," but that genes result in different caloric requirements and different amounts of food needed for satiety. Many people have lower caloric requirements (like those cited by the doctor), but do not adjust their diets accordingly. They certainly will not be helped in making this adjustment by stupid and false theories of genetic determinism.

First, thin people in obese families are rare, but they do exist, and their existence gives the lie to this sort of empty-headed theorizing.

Second, obesity has increased massively just in the past twenty years (an increase of at least twenty percent). Surely the writer of the site would not contend either that "fat genes" have increased dramatically in those twenty years or that far more people in the U.S. were simply starving twenty years ago, since both of those assertions are easily proved false.

So, what hope for genetic determinism?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Beer is cheaper than gym membership.

I beg to differ.

A gym membership is roughly 20-45 a month.

Beer - 30 pack of natty ice is 13. For people that drink that, it will be gone in a few nights to a week. Get 2-3 of those a month (assuming you can drink that piss) and it will be in the 20-30 range.

Now for people that drink and enjoy beer (IE Good micro brews or good beer) they will spend 8 bucks on a 6 pack and maybe 15-18 on a decent 12 pack. Will that last the entire month? Nope.

Beer + gym membership = expensive

That should have been your quote.

Sure you can eat rice and tuna for $4 a day if you just happen to love the way cardboard tastes.

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Originally posted by Zild Sure you can eat rice and tuna for $4 a day if you just happen to love the way cardboard tastes.

It is amazing what a little herb and spice can do. Lemons, limes, savory etc.... cook much?

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Originally posted by _Nut_ It is amazing what a little herb and spice can do. Lemons, limes, savory etc.... cook much?

Herbs and spices?? You're fucking crazy, man. Where do you live? BIZZARRO WORLD???!!

High Fructose Corn Syrup is one of the major additive in cheaper foods. It converts very easily to fat in the body.

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Originally posted by jennypie Herbs and spices?? You're fucking crazy, man. Where do you live? BIZZARRO WORLD???!!

No, just college.

Seriously though:

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson People living on low-income are more likely to be depressed. And depressed people are less likely to give a shit about themselves.

poor people here at least are fatter because they are going to eat more starchy food than fruits and veggies

when u consider u can get at the supermarket a pack of pasta for like 2 or 3 euros for the minimal price instead of having for quite the double of the price a kilogram of veggies ....

so poor people wont have a diversed diet but are more likely to eat potatoes , rice , pasta everyday ....

i guess for US it's about the same with the fast food , the prices u can have over there is incredible especially when u consider for example than a price of a regular mc donalds menu is in france around 6 euros.....

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Originally posted by tubularbills mcdonalds is cheaper than subway

Not here

i think rich people are fatter.

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Originally posted by Zild Sure you can eat rice and tuna for $4 a day if you just happen to love the way cardboard tastes.

Or if you can recognize the fact that, regardless of what flavor or taste the food you eat has, it's all going to get turned into the same energy or basic buildings blocks anyways.

Our physical requirements for food are about survival. Our body doesn't care whether 1000 calories worth of food tastes good or bad, it only cares that it has those calories available for energy or repairs.

Our mental requirements are quite different though and I like what Halc posted:

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Food is awesome. It tastes great when made properly and some of it is really quite pleasing to our senses - there's an entire culture of food out there within the consumer culture - in fact, one might even argue that cuisine is the complete basis for consumerism in the first place. Like almost every 'civilised' endeavour, mere survival is not enough. It must be pleasing to our senses as well as our cultural sensibilities. It just so happens that western nations tend to hold consumerism quite high, and so the transmission of solipsistic behaviour does not cease, especially when it is paraded about as something "necessary" by those with everything to gain by making everyone gain, so to speak.

It's true. It's just a shame that so many people get caught up in the attraction of food and lose sight of the survival aspect of it. I don't mean to say that it's not good to enjoy food, I do just as much as anyone but, if I have to eat chicken & rice then so be it. Mentally, I can override my thought of 'Pizza is so much better.'

My belief is that it starts when we are kids. Think of common kid foods. When you go to a restuarant and look at the kid's menu what's on there? Mac & cheese, tater tots, hot dogs, chicken nuggets. WTF! Health food smorgasbord right there! I remember as a kid eating stuff like grilled cheese, PB&J, Fruity Pebbles, all kinds of shit. It was delicious yes but, did I need it to survive? Absolutely not. But it lays the groundwork for the rest of our lives, the idea that food should be enjoyable.

My belief is that overweight people(while some do have a genetic disposition) generally do not realize exactly how bad the food they eat is. They don't understand the correlation of fat & sugar and calories and the potential damage they can do to the body in excess. Or they do understand it to a certain extent but, they've always believed that 'food should be tasty' and they won't look past that to search for healthy alternatives. And how can you blame them? That's basically what they've been taught since they were kids.

Wow that turned out alot longer than I meant it to. But yeah, all that coming from a former fat kid.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Food is awesome.

+1

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Originally posted by Ygrene Or if you can recognize the fact that, regardless of what flavor or taste the food you eat has, it's all going to get turned into the same energy or basic buildings blocks anyways. Our physical requirements for food are about survival. Our body doesn't care whether 1000 calories worth of food tastes good or bad, it only cares that it has those calories available for energy or repairs. Our mental requirements are quite different though and I like what Halc posted: It's true. It's just a shame that so many people get caught up in the attraction of food and lose sight of the survival aspect of it. I don't mean to say that it's not good to enjoy food, I do just as much as anyone but, if I have to eat chicken & rice then so be it. Mentally, I can override my thought of 'Pizza is so much better.' My belief is that it starts when we are kids. Think of common kid foods. When you go to a restuarant and look at the kid's menu what's on there? Mac & cheese, tater tots, hot dogs, chicken nuggets. WTF! Health food smorgasbord right there! I remember as a kid eating stuff like grilled cheese, PB&J, Fruity Pebbles, all kinds of shit. It was delicious yes but, did I need it to survive? Absolutely not. But it lays the groundwork for the rest of our lives, the idea that food should be enjoyable. My belief is that overweight people(while some do have a genetic disposition) generally do not realize exactly how bad the food they eat is. They don't understand the correlation of fat & sugar and calories and the potential damage they can do to the body in excess. Or they do understand it to a certain extent but, they've always believed that 'food should be tasty' and they won't look past that to search for healthy alternatives. And how can you blame them? That's basically what they've been taught since they were kids. Wow that turned out alot longer than I meant it to. But yeah, all that coming from a former fat kid.

i fucking LOVE chicken and rice.

BBQ chinese shops are the devil I swear, for change out of $10 here you can get a big tub of steamed white rice, about half a pound of BBQ'ed duck, chicken or pork drowned in honey and soy sauce on top of it... gahh!

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Originally posted by Ygrene Or if you can recognize the fact that, regardless of what flavor or taste the food you eat has, it's all going to get turned into the same energy or basic buildings blocks anyways. Our physical requirements for food are about survival. Our body doesn't care whether 1000 calories worth of food tastes good or bad, it only cares that it has those calories available for energy or repairs.

I do recognize that. I just choose to spend extra for something that tastes good and won't kill me.

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Originally posted by Lilith BBQ chinese shops are the devil I swear, for change out of $10 here you can get a big tub of steamed white rice, about half a pound of BBQ'ed duck, chicken or pork drowned in honey and soy sauce on top of it... gahh!

god that sounds so fucking good!

fuck i want to get fat.. tell me how

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