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I know a few people from Iran; my old boss, his business partner, a work colleague, family friends and two good friends from school. Most have quit practicing Islam and are essentially athiest. The remainder admit their religion has become pretty fvcked up and have adopted a very tamed down version.

I think the numbers speak for themselves. Once you take these people out of their society, built upon delusion, isolation, lack of free thought and extremism (like most religions), their natural instinct of right and wrong becomes less skewed. While they're in that environment, good moral conduct is only limited to the norms.

I pretty much look down on people of all religions as inferior retards that are degrading the quality of humanity.

religion is whats destroying all human kind

While I agree with you UmmiE, that people should be considerate of each others belief, I think you would agree that the Islamic fundamentalist exhibit anything but a civil approach � that is to say, it's either their way, or for lack of a better term, kaboom? In all seriousness though, this is the case for any activist group. But I think pkcRAISTLIN, and a couple of others make some very valid points, and to shy away from them by referring to obvious religious based reasoning is not very objective and quite frankly, it's very short sighted.

I'll be frank, my father is Muslim (Iranian) and my mother is Roman Catholic (Swedish), I was born here and as it just so happens I am an agnostic. But I don't talk in ignorance; I've studied both my birth religions � mine is an opinion as unbiased as it can get. Having said that, one thing I really can't stand is the repetitive, dim, and tedious argument of "Don't believe what you watch on CNN...you don't know what its like man, I'm a Muslim, I know what I'm talking about..." giving a break. (This isn't toward you UmmiE)

If you have an IQ just north of a bedroom slipper, you know that what you watch on the news is often not an accurate account of the actual happenings/implications � especially when it surrounds controversial topics such as these. But stop making yourselves look like complete idiots by sticking to the same redundant, useless and obvious statements.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ideas should have to stand up to rigorous challenges before they're accepted by anyone. there is no reason religion should get a free ride.

Absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent.

This is where you need to pay attention UmmiE; thank god (!) we live in a society where theists, atheist and otherwise can live among each other in peace, for the most part � thank god we have the freedom to state our opinion and the freedom to place doubt wherever we individually see fit. In short, thank whoever you want to thank that we live in a society that encourages compromise, instead of repression � compromise and tolerance; these are the key word here.

For some, not all, unfortunate countries in the Middle East where most of the mess originates from � there is no cooperation, no freedom, no tolerance. Uneducated populations make up the vast region, and that ignorance is the spark behind the explosions. (ba-du-dum-psh!)

Now I assume UmmiE, that you're in Canada because you enjoy the aforementioned freedoms � so ask yourself then, if this teacher was here, in Canada or the USA, what then? Would he go to jail? Would your reaction be different? Would you send him to prison? Would you kill him? I'm sure a lot of folks want him dead � but ask yourself, where are those people? Further, do you share the same set of values as them? do your values not reflect that of your society? (isn�t that why you live here...?)

Granted, people should not go out of their way to abuse that freedom by intentionally insulting a system of belief � but alas, that is just common courtesy and nothing more. Just like anything else considerate, it depends on the individual him/her self � and the last thing you want to do is impose your religious beliefs, and ask that people act in accordance to that...focus on tolerance, and be thankful you live in a place where you have equal rights, which are protected.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and yet, religious fanatics in the west at least tolerate the blasphemous, you don't see christians running around burning down embassies because of some supposed slight on their archaic belief system.

While I agree with you on most of your points, I think we can agree that (for the most part) Christians hold an immense amount of sway over society � and that their tactics are much more...subtle.

and I'm late for class...

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Originally posted by evil_cookie people should not go out of their way to abuse that freedom by intentionally insulting a system of belief

lol

fvck that man. people need to know that they are stupid, otherwise they will breed and create more stupidity. before you know it, you would be up to your knees in stupid babies.

i will not tolerate stupid babies.

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Originally posted by echosystm lol fvck that man. people need to know that they are stupid, otherwise they will breed and create more stupidity. before you know it, you would be up to your knees in stupid babies. i will not tolerate stupid babies.

+1

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Originally posted by josh4 fayraree is an uncivilized "extremist" animal

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN if you're serious, you're a piece of shit who should go back to your shitty backwards mid-east nation.

I declare a jihad on both of you and will rape your families and children.

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Originally posted by fayraree I declare a jihad on both of you and will rape your families and children.

i love this guy, kind sir please continue - it's stirring up quite a debate and i love watching the wizardboy there get his panties in a bunch over someone just fucking with him.

While I appreciate everyone's views in this thread I must point out that the punishment handed out is pretty mild compared to what would have happened to this teacher for the same act in 15th century Europe or 1st century Judea. Both Christianity and Judaism went through periods of extremism and fanaticism.... interestingly, both when they were approximately the same age... maybe this is just a symptom of reaching 1400 years of age for a religion. My point is none of the Abrihamic religions can claim any moral superiority here. Who knows maybe there will be violent athiest extremists in 1200 years.

I really hope no one things Fayraree is serious. I know first hand that he is committed to his faith but he's also exceedingly tolerant.

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Originally posted by leph555 <3 my new toy

Wow, that's pretty bad taste

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN arent you ever ashamed by the stupidity some people display within your religion?

I can't speak to the extremist practices, except try and provide some insight on why they do what they do, when ignorant people jump to conclusions that are not valid.

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Originally posted by josh4 I also don't think its a very funny or mature thing to blow people and stuff up just because they're not in your religion.

I don't believe terrorists blow people and stuff up just because they're not in their religion (also I'm not sure how "stuff" could ever be in their religion lol, if by "stuff" you're referring to inanimate objects); I think they have precise motives that are targeted at specific objectives because they believe they are being attacked, so terrorism is their "offensive form of defense". Is this a valid defense for their actions? ABSOLUTELY NOT. However, I don't think it's a simple case of, "You're not Muslim, ok you die now." It goes a little deeper.

I feel like some of you truly hold the same beliefs that Trey Parker and Matt Stone were making fun of in Team America: World Police and in today's information age, the only thing I'm ashamed of is being a member of this forum where people can be so bloody ignorant and refuse to scratch the surface of an issue because of their immature, subjective, and emotional reactions. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a robot; I believe an emotional reaction is totally acceptable, no matter how profane it may be, but I would expect something intelligent to eventually come out. Unfortunately, from some of you, nothing does.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I really hope no one things Fayraree is serious. I know first hand that he is committed to his faith but he's also exceedingly tolerant.

lol don't make me declare a jihad on you too!!!

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Originally posted by fayraree Wow, that's pretty bad taste I feel like some of you truly hold the same beliefs that Trey Parker and Matt Stone were making fun of in Team America: World Police and in today's information age, the only thing I'm ashamed of is being a member of this forum where people can be so bloody ignorant and refuse to scratch the surface of an issue because of their immature, subjective, and emotional reactions. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a robot; I believe an emotional reaction is totally acceptable, no matter how profane it may be, but I would expect something intelligent to eventually come out. Unfortunately, from some of you, nothing does.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard While I appreciate everyone's views in this thread I must point out that the punishment handed out is pretty mild compared to what would have happened to this teacher for the same act in 15th century Europe or 1st century Judea. Both Christianity and Judaism went through periods of extremism and fanaticism.... interestingly, both when they were approximately the same age... maybe this is just a symptom of reaching 1400 years of age for a religion. My point is none of the Abrihamic religions can claim any moral superiority here. Who knows maybe there will be violent athiest extremists in 1200 years.

Can't say it any better than these two. +1

Is the jailing of this teacher unfortunate? Yes. Does it justify mocking an entire religious structure? No.

Your right to flail your arms about stops at another person's nose, and that picture more or less smacked several TA members in the face. So when they call you on it, you retaliate by saying THEY are intolerant? Grow up and gain some perspective.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Your right to flail your arms about stops at another person's nose, and that picture more or less smacked several TA members in the face. So when they call you on it, you retaliate by saying THEY are intolerant? Grow up and gain some perspective.

lol dude, appreciate your words. But some of us are immature and create flame threads in response. We don't ALL take the moral high ground!

Bid to stop whipping over toy bear

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/a...ref=mpstoryview

Hopefully they will get her the fuck out of there

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I really hope no one things Fayraree is serious. I know first hand that he is committed to his faith but he's also exceedingly tolerant.

+1, he's a model muslim

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Originally posted by Abercrombie +1, he's a model muslim

lmao

*waits for a thunderbolt*

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Originally posted by fayraree lmao *waits for a thunderbolt*

wait... Zeus is the God of Islam?

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Originally posted by Aristronica wait... Zeus is the God of Islam?

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Originally posted by fayraree

Noel Edmonds, what have you become?!

...

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Originally posted by fayraree

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard While I appreciate everyone's views in this thread I must point out that the punishment handed out is pretty mild compared to what would have happened to this teacher for the same act in 15th century Europe or 1st century Judea. Both Christianity and Judaism went through periods of extremism and fanaticism.... interestingly, both when they were approximately the same age... maybe this is just a symptom of reaching 1400 years of age for a religion. My point is none of the Abrihamic religions can claim any moral superiority here.

haha, so you're comparing 21st century islam with the 15th century? sounds about right! and i think they can claim current moral superiority, however that could be more related to the liberal democracies that judaism or christianity now find themselves a part of, rather than an inherent superiority in belief system.

at the end of the day, such punishments just arent acceptable, no matter who meters them out.

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Who knows maybe there will be violent athiest extremists in 1200 years.

perhaps, i certainly hope not

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Originally posted by leph555 Bid to stop whipping over toy bear http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/a...ref=mpstoryview Hopefully they will get her the fuck out of there

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The article: Although there is no ban in the Koran on images of Allah or the Prophet Mohammed, likenesses are considered highly offensive by Muslims.

Mohammed looked like a teddy bear?!?!

How does anyone know what Mohammed looked like anyway? You can't create a likeness if you don't have anything to go on...

they have seen him in their visions

haha two people have sig quoted me this week

win

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Way to take the moral highground... your argument is rather stupid... well stated however.

Would you like to elaborate on that ?

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Originally posted by josh4 i'm generalizing those people that refuse to speak out against what you call " a group " of "extremist". in this entire thread not once have you voiced your opinion against what is happening in the name of your people. do you agree with these "extremist" or not? should this teacher be jailed? fayraree thinks so fayraree is an uncivilized "extremist" animal

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Originally posted by evil_cookie Now I assume UmmiE, that you're in Canada because you enjoy the aforementioned freedoms � so ask yourself then, if this teacher was here, in Canada or the USA, what then? Would he go to jail? Would your reaction be different? Would you send him to prison? Would you kill him? I'm sure a lot of folks want him dead � but ask yourself, where are those people? Further, do you share the same set of values as them? do your values not reflect that of your society? (isn�t that why you live here...?) ...

I definitely dont agree with whats happening in Sudan and how its handled...Thats why i mentioned in the earlier posts that whats happening there isnt the proper Islam....Its what the extremists do they like to take things in their own hands and make it sound all holy and stuff......Where as people like us(me,fahad) get counted with them which is what i hate.......I dont agree with them.....Nor do I think its right to take someones life in the name of religion.... still it could be handled in a better way.

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