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Posted by RJT on Feb-21-2008 05:58:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
this is why PC gaming is in the doldrums

which is why im such an arsehole to thieving fuckwits that dont deserve to be playing games at all. way to go ruining it for those of us that take their gaming seriously.


Pretty much the entire point I was trying to make - it isn't the fact that there aren't quality games out designed for PC, it's the fact that there is this massive shift right now from porting PC titles to consoles, to porting console titles to PC's.

Sometimes it works - but more often than not it can be a messy transition, and if people continue to "vote with their dollars" the way the article posted (and which I asserted earlier) does, well you're just going to see less and less money allocated to even making these ports worthwhile.

It's a shame indeed - because there are undoubtedly genres of game for which the PC is a far better vessel than any console, but it's a reality of the industry right now.

And to comment frankly on a somewhat related issue, if any of you don't think the "casual" gamer is ruining life for those of us on consoles as well you're out of your fucking minds.

The industry in general right now scares me a bit, because though it's bigger than ever, developers are also starting to market to an audience that I feel less and less a part of.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-21-2008 06:08:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
And to comment frankly on a somewhat related issue, if any of you don't think the "casual" gamer is ruining life for those of us on consoles as well you're out of your fucking minds.

The industry in general right now scares me a bit, because though it's bigger than ever, developers are also starting to market to an audience that I feel less and less a part of.


oh yeah, i completely agree. the ease of console use makes them far more popular, but with popularity comes genericness and an aim for the lowest common denominator.

that said, i just read a small piece on how PC game sales actually GREW in 2007, so thats something a lil positive. of course MMOs probably made up a lot of that growth...


Posted by RJT on Feb-21-2008 06:18:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh yeah, i completely agree. the ease of console use makes them far more popular, but with popularity comes genericness and an aim for the lowest common denominator.

that said, i just read a small piece on how PC game sales actually GREW in 2007, so thats something a lil positive. of course MMOs probably made up a lot of that growth...


Yup. I'll try dig up the article I read on 1up a few months back, it basically showed PC game sales on the whole (including revenue from MMO's), and then showed revenue (including monthly fees) from MMO's as separate from all other PC software sold - it was a staggering difference.

Really a shame, because there really is only so much room in that market to begin with - and certainly not everyone without a console wants just MMO's.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-21-2008 07:00:

but on a good note after a terrific, hard-fought win im in the top 400 forged alliance players in the world. not too shabby for a cretin!


Posted by Project-K on Feb-21-2008 12:41:

Wow there are 400 FA players?



I keed I keed


Posted by Philby on Feb-21-2008 13:15:

why cant you pirate console games?


Posted by Moongoose on Feb-21-2008 14:24:

Of course you can, i dont believe that there is or was a game system that wasnt pirated at one point. Also unlike in ye oldie times when consoles were still messing about with cartriges, today all you need is a dvd burner and a mod chips and you can play anything.


Posted by RJT on Feb-21-2008 15:18:

The debate over whether or not it's possible is entirely irrelevant - it quite simply isn't anywhere near as easy to pirate software for a console as it is for the PC, and moreover (and get ready to cue your "console gamers are idiots" macros) the average console gamer is either:

A. Not going to understand how to, nor really have the desire to, modify their consoles to play pirated games.

B. Not will to risk a bricked system for free games.

There will never be the same issues with piracy on current generation consoles* as there are on PC's.

*By "Current Generation Consoles" I don't mean specifically this generations console, but rather consoles that are being developed for in a contemporary sense.

However, if anyone would like to argue the position that piracy is every bit as rampant and detrimental to the console business as it is to the PC gaming business, I could definitely go for a good laugh.


Posted by Moongoose on Feb-21-2008 19:49:

I wouldn't argue that, but in the morning i can argue that piracy isn't the main problem in the pc gaming scene.


However before we argue anything can we agree on one thing. That there really isnt much difference between an average pc gamer and an average console gamer, i.e. they are both idiots.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Feb-21-2008 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Project-K
Wow there are 400 FA players?



I keed I keed


haha! youre a cheeky cvnt! 5200+ ranked players last time i checked; that doesnt count people that only play custom games.

for a game this complex and requiring rather high specs thats pretty good imo!


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