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Posted by The_G0dfather on Feb-17-2008 23:38:

As nachos said, not only is Spa Francorchamps one of the if not the most beautiful track, the city is also recomendable. Have to mention though that it isnt a big city at all. More like small but cosy, right in the Ardennes.


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-18-2008 18:37:

^ It's only a little over an hour from Brussels, which is beautiful

And the beer in Belgium is fantastic


Posted by Orko on Feb-20-2008 19:43:

Some interesting points leading up to the season:
- Ferrari thinks Renault is sandbagging.
- Sauber/BMW have gone too radical with their car and now are facing a lot of problems.
- The McLaren designed/built ECU has a crucial flaw, which allows you to use a launch control configuration! HUGE fuckin flaw!
- Super Aguri might not even race.
- McLaren will have some of the worst facilities this season due to their last place finish last year.
- Spain has two GPs this year because of Alanso's popularity. Also because of his popularity, the FIA have had to launch an anti-racism campaign.
- Ralph left F1 and nobody cared!


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-20-2008 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Some interesting points leading up to the season:
- Ferrari thinks Renault is sandbagging.
- Sauber/BMW have gone too radical with their car and now are facing a lot of problems.
- The McLaren designed/built ECU has a crucial flaw, which allows you to use a launch control configuration! HUGE fuckin flaw!
- Super Aguri might not even race.
- McLaren will have some of the worst facilities this season due to their last place finish last year.
- Spain has two GPs this year because of Alanso's popularity. Also because of his popularity, the FIA have had to launch an anti-racism campaign.
- Ralph left F1 and nobody cared!


1) entirely likely, and why not? It's good strategy
2) give them time. Willy Rampf and that team will get their shit together
3) oops! At least it's only launch control and not full t/c (yet)
4) sad. Hopefully they get it together
5) it would be funny if they don't have room to park their giant motorhome/spaceship
6) this is bullshit (that they get two, not your statement). It's always been 1 country - 1 GP. ******s.
7) LOL! Now he's DTM's problem


Posted by Orko on Feb-20-2008 22:02:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse
6) this is bullshit (that they get two, not your statement). It's always been 1 country - 1 GP. ******s


Well not in recent history. Italy had two, and Germany had two, although in both cases, the country had one official race. Funniest thing is that he took away both of those countries second race for more international races. Then he goes ahead and gives Spain two. Fucking bullshit, I agree.


Posted by Trance Nutter on Feb-21-2008 09:22:

A scientific company rep walked into my office today and goes "you remember that competition of ours you entered? Well you won"


So i've got 2 tickets to the Melbourne GP now

Saw the F1s up close and personal at Goodwood last year, but this will be my first race.


Posted by nchs09 on Feb-21-2008 15:58:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse

And the beer in Belgium is fantastic
reaon enough to go imo


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-21-2008 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Well not in recent history. Italy had two, and Germany had two, although in both cases, the country had one official race. Funniest thing is that he took away both of those countries second race for more international races. Then he goes ahead and gives Spain two. Fucking bullshit, I agree.


Agreed. Sorry, I forgot to mention San Marino and the Ring. But the Ring > Hockenheim (esp. the new one) and San Marino is pretty classic itself.

Not that I have anything against the Valencia track...it will be great for fans since it's pretty compact.

At least he's adding a race in Europe instead of halfway around the world where they can't fill seats (Turkey & Bahrain)


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-21-2008 18:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance Nutter
A scientific company rep walked into my office today and goes "you remember that competition of ours you entered? Well you won"


So i've got 2 tickets to the Melbourne GP now

Saw the F1s up close and personal at Goodwood last year, but this will be my first race.


Congrats!!!

Wear earplugs


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-24-2008 18:28:

one of the best movies of all time is on TCM right now -

Grand Prix

One of Frankenheimer's best films, and cinematography beyond it's years.

This was real Grand Prix racing - "When the drivers were fat and the tyres were skinny" - JM Fangio


Posted by stren on Feb-25-2008 00:36:

I really enjoyed this movie.
my favourite quote
quote:
I used to go to pieces. I'd see an accident like that and be so weak inside that I wanted to quit - stop the car and walk away. I could hardly make myself go past it. But I'm older now. When I see something really horrible, I put my foot down. Hard! Because I know that everyone else is lifting his


Posted by Fledz on Feb-25-2008 03:22:

It's going to be very interesting this year. Lots of great drivers, a few contending teams and a whole new set of rules.

I really need a big round up of all the changes. Has anyone come across a great page that sums it all up? I've been out of the loop for a bit.


Posted by Orko on Feb-26-2008 16:58:

quote:
2008 season changes

A number of changes to both the Sporting and Technical Regulations have been made by the FIA for the 2008 Formula One season.

Traction and launch control
Traction control - systems which prevent the rear wheels spinning if a driver applies too much power - are no longer permitted. This will place more emphasis on driver skill and should lead to more overtaking, as drivers are more likely to make mistakes. Similarly, systems that help the driver hold the clutch at a specific point to ensure an optimal getaway at the race start, have been outlawed.

Electronic Control Units (ECUs)
From 2008, all teams must use a standardised, FIA-approved ECU to control their cars' electronics. AS well as providing a more level playing field in this area of development, the new ECU - which must run FIA-approved software - will allow the FIA to monitor the cars' performance more closely.

Engine changes
As in 2007, drivers must use the same engine for two consecutive events. If that engine fails in final practice or qualifying and has to be changed ahead of the race, the driver will be given a grid penalty - 10 places if the change was made before qualifying, or the back of the grid if it was made following qualifying.

However, in an amendment for 2008, each driver is allowed one �free� change per season, unless that change takes place at the final round. In other words, he will not incur a penalty for his first engine failure of the year, as long it is not at the last event.

Gearboxes
In a bid to further improve reliability and cut costs, gearboxes must now last for four consecutive Grand Prix meetings. Every unscheduled gearbox change will require the relevant driver to drop five places on the grid at that meeting. If a driver fails to finish a race, he may start the next meeting with a new gearbox without incurring a penalty.

Qualifying
In a very slight tweak to the familiar knockout qualifying format, the duration of Q1 has been increased from 15 to 20 minutes, while that of Q3 has been cut from 15 to 10. Q2 remains 15-minutes long. Furthermore, cars participating in Q3 will no longer get back the fuel used in that session - they must now start the race with whatever fuel was left in the car at the end of qualifying, thus eliminating the need for the infamous 'fuel-burning' phase at the start of Q3.

Cockpit safety
One of the slightly more visible differences to the cars this season will be an increase in the height of the cockpit padding - and hence the cockpit sides - on either side of the driver�s helmet, a change that has been implemented to further increase head protection in the event of an impact.

Biofuel
As part of moves to make Formula One racing ever more environmentally friendly, the FIA has introduced a new rule governing fuel. From 2008, at least 5.75 percent of all fuel must contain biomatter and, as a result, all cars must be designed to be biofuel compliant.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/r...gulations/6844/

They also have summurised versions of all their rules at:
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/r...nd_regulations/


Posted by nchs09 on Feb-27-2008 06:23:

quote:
As part of moves to make Formula One racing ever more environmentally friendly



even more? seriously they have done NOTHING to be environmentally friendly before... they go through tires and fuel like its water.

It would be awesome if they could run with 100% biofuel


Posted by Fledz on Feb-27-2008 08:59:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09



even more? seriously they have done NOTHING to be environmentally friendly before... they go through tires and fuel like its water.

It would be awesome if they could run with 100% biofuel


Actually almost all of the advancements in motor vehicles in terms of improved efficiency, cleaner output, less waste, more reliable parts, higher safety etc are as a direct result of motor sports, F1 being the biggest contributor.


Posted by nchs09 on Feb-27-2008 14:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
Actually almost all of the advancements in motor vehicles in terms of improved efficiency, cleaner output, less waste, more reliable parts, higher safety etc are as a direct result of motor sports, F1 being the biggest contributor.
true.... but they still are a huge waste... going through engines, gearboxes, tires and fuel like nobody's business


Posted by Orko on Feb-27-2008 17:27:

Not even what the racing cars them selves waste. How about the massive transportation costs from race to race? I'm sure it takes a massive toll on the environment when McLaren wants to transport their building they call a motor home.

How about flying from China to Brazil for the the last two races? lol, I always found that very funny.


Posted by denys envy on Feb-27-2008 17:58:

pardon, wtf is/are 'tefosi'?


Posted by Orko on Feb-27-2008 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by denys envy
pardon, wtf is/are 'tefosi'?


Thats the Italian word for Ferrari fans. They are renowned being super enthusiastic and die hard fans. Even old ladies dress up, and paint themselves red.


Posted by denys envy on Feb-27-2008 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Thats the Italian word for Ferrari fans. They are renowned being super enthusiastic and die hard fans. Even old ladies dress up, and paint themselves red.



Posted by Orko on Feb-28-2008 04:01:

Car Racing Of The Future: FIA Tests Digital Flags

quote:
Barcelona (Spain) -Flags, like the checkered finish flag, have always served a critical part in any form of car racing, but drivers can sometimes miss those wavy pieces of fabric driving at 200+ MPH. In a bid to change the status quo between judges, race organization and the drivers themselves, FIA as the world's automotive governing body recently tested digital flags on the Circuit de Catalunya near Barcelona.

Digital Flags are nothing else but panels consisted out of large set of LEDs that change color in accordance to a command given by Race Control. With strategically positioned panels across the race track, circuits would enable judges to have a better overview of the situation on the track instead of having to concentrate in showing the flag to racing drivers.

This system could be of great help in conditions of limited visibility, since screens are visible in any weather condition, from sun to torrential rain (we know at least several racetracks where weather conditions result in visibility less than 100 feet, such as Fuji Speedway in Japan, Sepang in Malaysia and others).

FIA is currently analyzing gathered data and feedback from Formula 1 teams, but if a call is made for implementation of this kind of signaling, you can expect that sooner or later, most of racetracks will switch to this kind of signalization. It would be quite interesting to hear explanations from drivers for not seeing this part.

Of course, it is hard to expect that old-school style sports such as NASCAR would accept this kind of signalization, but who knows. But FIA-sanctioned championships and sports that are being held in problematic weather conditions might be more than happy to accept this system.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02..._digital_flags/


Posted by Fledz on Feb-28-2008 06:36:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
true.... but they still are a huge waste... going through engines, gearboxes, tires and fuel like nobody's business

Yea well it is entertainment. The trade off is worth it

The digital flags look interesting. I'm keen to see how they go in the tests and how drivers respond to them.


Posted by Trance Nutter on Feb-28-2008 10:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
Not even what the racing cars them selves waste. How about the massive transportation costs from race to race? I'm sure it takes a massive toll on the environment when McLaren wants to transport their building they call a motor home.

How about flying from China to Brazil for the the last two races? lol, I always found that very funny.


Which is still miniscule in the grand scheme of things.

Formula 1 can achieve much more in technical development than it can by cutting its own emissions.




In other biofuel news: V8 Supercars (the Australian touring car category) is going to run 85% biofuel next year. The only major racing category in the world to run such a high level of biofuel apparently.


Posted by Orko on Feb-28-2008 16:36:

Biofuels are great and all, but they have substantially raised the price of food around the world. Food commodity prices are out of control.


Posted by stren on Feb-28-2008 16:36:

digital flags seem cool, but they can't replace the most important one


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