TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Political Discussion / Debate
-- Iranian recon ships probe US Naval Squadron
Pages (5): « 1 2 [3] 4 5 »

Bush and his fuckin "Serious consequences" speach makes me wanna vomit every time.

quote:

Originally posted by hardcore trancer Bush and his fuckin "Serious consequences" speach makes me wanna vomit every time.

awww cry me a river, dude.

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo awww cry me a river, dude.

That was a nice hit tho come on Q .

quote:

Originally posted by hardcore trancer That was a nice hit tho come on Q .

tell your mom i said hi.

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo tell your mom i said hi.

How is your sister doing btw?

I'd place my money on this being a fabricated event straight from pentagon "intelligence" management.

It's also extremely interesting that in the same days these events were released, the media has released declassified documents about the United States using falce provocation naval claims to help usher in the support and start of the Vietnam war.

This tells me that the Media is now fighting the government directly against this war through the careful use of information design and exploitation, just as the government is attempting to use information deception to wage psychological warfare on the domestic turf.

My money is on the media.

It almost makes me wonder if they know something we don't know; perhaps Bush is going to try something very soon, and the real government (IE: THE MEDIA) now threatened is taking preventative action...

We'll see.

More twists

Iran airs own video of US ship incident

"The alleged warnings telling the US ships that they were going to be blown up by Iranian speed boats may not after all have come from the Iranian boats but could have come from a land based transmitter or another ship according to US Navy sources."

Well there we go then. No one wants Bush using this as intelligence... I guess there's a war going on that we're not as aware of playing out beneath the surface.

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Shibby "The alleged warnings telling the US ships that they were going to be blown up by Iranian speed boats may not after all have come from the Iranian boats but could have come from a land based transmitter or another ship according to US Navy sources." Well there we go then. No one wants Bush using this as intelligence... I guess there's a war going on that we're not as aware of playing out beneath the surface.

Very good point,so once again the so called U.S intelligence is getting its information from their asses.

quote:

Originally posted by hardcore trancer Very good point,so once again the so called U.S intelligence is getting its information from their asses.

oh i see. its the US intelligence service's fault because US ships were sent a threatening radio message. which of course never would have come from other iranians on shore, transmitting on a naval channel.

i find it amusing that no matter the situation, your focus is ALWAYS on the US.

Video Up


notice the voice difference between this guy and the one the Pentagon put up.

If the Americans did make this ploy up then i guess they feel like idiots. They didn't think Iran would be taping their own version.

This whole incident reminds me of the Gulf of Tonkin incident

A shame.....

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad This whole incident reminds me of the Gulf of Tonkin incident

really? hold old were you in 1964?



embed...for comparison's sake.

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad notice the voice difference between this guy and the one the Pentagon put up.

thats because in this version you are listening to a radio operator from CG 73 the Port Royal.

in the American version another radio operator identifies ambiguously "coalition warship" and CG 73 is aft.


EDIT> in the American version you can hear on the bridge to bridge frequency the radio operator in the Iranian version CG 73 Port Royal.

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo really? hold old were you in 1964?

So i see, is that how you talk to a History teacher or professor?

It's like saying that they have to be born in the era of the Roman or Persian Empire to talk about the history behind the empires.

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad So i see, is that how you talk to a History teacher or professor?

no dude. just you.

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo no dude. just you.

Wow nice comeback man, i feel all down...

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo really? hold old were you in 1964?

Gotta admit that's not the best argument to have.

Besides, it was a hoax:

quote:

Report reveals Vietnam War hoaxes, faked attacks 3 days ago WASHINGTON (AFP) � North Vietnamese made hoax calls to get the US military to bomb its own units during the Vietnam War, according to declassified information that also confirmed US officials faked an incident to escalate the war. The report was released by the National Security Agency, responsible for much of the United States' codebreaking and eavesdropping work, in response to a "mandatory declassification" request, the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said Monday. From the first intercepted cable -- a 1945 message from Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh to his Russian counterpart Joseph Stalin -- to the final evacuation of US spies from Saigon, the 500-page report retold Vietnam War history from the perspective of "signals intelligence," the group said in a statement. During the war, North Vietnamese intelligence units sometimes succeeded in penetrating US communications systems, and they could monitor American message traffic from within, according to the report "Spartans in Darkness." On several occasions "the communists were able, by communicating on Allied radio nets, to call in Allied artillery or air strikes on American units," it said. "That's something I have never heard before," Steven Aftergood, director of the FAS project on government secrecy, told AFP. But he said that probably the "most historically significant feature" of the declassified report was the retelling of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident. That was a reported North Vietnamese attack on American destroyers that helped lead to president Lyndon Johnson's sharp escalation of American forces in Vietnam. The author of the report "demonstrates that not only is it not true, as (then US) secretary of defense Robert McNamara told Congress, that the evidence of an attack was 'unimpeachable,' but that to the contrary, a review of the classified signals intelligence proves that 'no attack happened that night,'" FAS said in a statement. "What this study demonstrated is that the available intelligence shows that there was no attack. It's a dramatic reversal of the historical record," Aftergood said. "There were previous indications of this but this is the first time we have seen the complete study," he said. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM...Nc957JypHhNTMxQ

Anyway, I've got more to say about this current incident, but am a little pressed for time so I'll come back later.

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad Wow nice comeback man, i feel all down...

so what do you think of those radio operators i posted?

you seemed so sure of yourself.

quote:

Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Gotta admit that's not the best argument to have.

sure it is, you see in the "Gulf of Persian incident" no one claimed they were attacked. simple huh?

please tell me yuor're cognizant enough, unlike Lemonade, to at least make that ditinction?

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo so what do you think of those radio operators i posted? you seemed so sure of yourself.

I'm starting to believe that a radio transmission onshore somewhere made those threats... or possibly a hoax.

After listening to the video you posted up, the static or distortion part did have some resemblances to the Iranian side but aside from that, the main threat about blowing up the US ships did not have a Iranian accent, more arab like.

Iranians who have bad english accents speak like the main video i posted, not the one the Americans posted.

quote:

Originally posted by Q5echo sure it is, you see in the "Gulf of Persian incident" no one claimed they were attacked. simple huh?

It was more in the statement that the troops were provoked. Dropping white boxes (which possibly contain bombs or birthday cakes), threatening troops aboard.. sounds like a good run up to war to feed the US public.

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad It was more in the statement that the troops were provoked. Dropping white boxes which possibly contain bombs or birthday cakes, threatening troops aboard.. sounds like a good run up to war to feed the US public.

in both videos it was the same task force, CG 73, DDG 70, FFG 61, just at different times. you have to look really close in the Iran vid but the Iranians made sure to get the hull numbers as task force passed and overtook the Iranian small boat to their starboard.

you can also kinda make out "73" on the hull in the Amercan version. and to me it looks like the bridge of an Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (FFG 61) it surely isn't an Arleigh Burke (DDG 70)

quote:

Originally posted by Lemonad It was more in the statement that the troops were provoked.

so? were they attacked? no.

i understand you want to make it more than it really is. you want your imagination to run wild because you hate somebody or some administration or some thing who knows, but you do it at the risk of some very shallow thinking.

quote:

US Navy fired warning at Iranian craft CAIRO, Egypt - The U.S. Navy said Friday that one of its ships fired warning shots at a small Iranian boat in the Strait of Hormuz in December during one of two serious encounters that month. The USS Whidbey Island fired the warning shots on Dec. 19 in response to a small Iranian boat that was rapidly approaching it, said a U.S. Navy official. "One small (Iranian) craft was coming toward it, and it stopped after the Whidbey Island fired warning shots," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. It was the first official confirmation that the United States had fired warning shots in any recent confrontation with Iran in the Gulf. In the second incident that month, the USS Carr encountered three small Iranian craft on Dec. 22, two of which were armed, said the official. The USS Carr did not fire warning shots, but sent warning blasts on the ships whistle, which caused the boats to turn around. The reports come a day after the United States lodged a formal diplomatic protest with Iran over an incident Sunday in which Iranian speedboats harassed U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. Adm. William J. Fallon, the top U.S. military commander in the Mideast, said Friday that Iran runs the risk of triggering an unintended conflict if its boats continue to harass U.S. warships in the strait.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111...ea/iran_us_navy


oh boy things arent looking looking good at all,It seems like the U.S is just ready to shoot at anything these days and not even think about the consequences.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.