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Who the hell voted for Rudy Guliani?



This is an actual ad of his. Would you now vote for this fear monger?

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Originally posted by Orko Who the hell voted for Rudy Guliani? This is an actual ad of his. Would you now vote for this fear monger?

Fuck a way to brainwash people...

Huckabee doesn't seem electable in the blue states.. while he's a good ol' boy in the red states.. If he gets elected as President it will only be because the ultra-conservative evangelicals come out to vote; much like they did for Bush last two elections. If the evangelicals are disillusioned as much as the media say they are with the Republicans then Obama has a chance.

Obama will only win if he has John Edwards as his VP.. It's a pretty good fit, John Edwards has the experience that Obama lacks and he's white which won't then scare off a bunch of racist Americans.

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Originally posted by Orko Who the hell voted for Rudy Guliani? This is an actual ad of his. Would you now vote for this fear monger?

BAHAHAHA wow!! Say it ain't so Rudy... Say you don't actually approve of that message.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Vrk I dont really see the point of continuing with idiots and horrible foreign policy and people disliking americans.

I agree in terms of the world...but as terrible as it may sound to you,
I'd love to see the gradual breakdown of America and their stranglehold on the world.

So although not COMPLETELY serious, my wishes to see an idiot Republican win
are purely just to see America slowly lose its power...with a DREAM of seeing it completely fall apart someday - which i'm sure i never will see

But for the world and from the standpoint of humanity, I'd MUCH rather see a Democrat win

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I think anything is an improvement imo, but it doesnt really make sense to wish for the continuation of a bad trend.

The only bad trend is the continuation of instability in the world and world affairs, which is almost ALL America's fault.
But more and more ppl across the planet disliking America is SO NOT a bad trend...its an INCREDIBLY GOOD trend imo


PS I've NEVER been a fan of Oprah.. In general she just sickens me.

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Originally posted by TheVrk I agree in terms of the world...but as terrible as it may sound to you, I'd love to see the gradual breakdown of America and their stranglehold on the world. So although not COMPLETELY serious, my wishes to see an idiot Republican win are purely just to see America slowly lose its power...with a DREAM of seeing it completely fall apart someday - which i'm sure i never will see PS I've NEVER been a fan of Oprah.. In general she just sickens me.

lol I see it didn't take you too long to move over to a complete Euro mentality. j/k

In many ways, I can see myself agreeing with you, but a downfall of a major power player typically is followed by a period of chaos...

My vote goes to Hilary..

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Originally posted by zokissima lol I see it didn't take you too long to move over to a complete Euro mentality. j/k

Heh, these have always been my views

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In many ways, I can see myself agreeing with you, but a downfall of a major power player typically is followed by a period of chaos... My vote goes to Hilary..

Deep down, I know and completely agree with you...but theres always that "FUCK i wish...."

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Originally posted by TheVrk I agree in terms of the world...but as terrible as it may sound to you, I'd love to see the gradual breakdown of America and their stranglehold on the world. So although not COMPLETELY serious, my wishes to see an idiot Republican win are purely just to see America slowly lose its power...with a DREAM of seeing it completely fall apart someday - which i'm sure i never will see PS I've NEVER been a fan of Oprah.. In general she just sickens me.

lol I see it didn't take you too long to move over to a complete Euro mentality. j/k

In many ways, I can see myself agreeing with you, but a downfall of a major power player typically is followed by a period of chaos...

My vote goes to Hilary..

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Originally posted by TheVrk PS I've NEVER been a fan of Oprah.. In general she just sickens me.

+1,001

As always, very glad when I see we're on the same page with shit vrk

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar +1,001 As always, very glad when I see we're on the same page with shit vrk

Seems to be pretty often dood

I think Oprah's a fraud, flat out.
She's just built up this image thats fooled millions of soap opera-watching women...and made her a mainstream celebrity in the process...

Thats all good and well vrk, but please try to remember, in the process of overgeneralizing us "americans", that most of us are just people who live day-to-day and just want to live a respectable life while not harming others. Unfortunately, as much as I love my country, in recent times we have had huge problems with our GOVERNMENT and its policies. Not only are our international policies SHIT, but our own affairs are going up in flames as well. Our economy sucks, we still dont have healthcare, etc etc the list goes on forever.............

SO please remember that, while people like to just throw out how much they hate "us", that we are just regular people trying to live everyday. I get up, go to class and make a living and pay bills just like everyone else....... so why is it that you would like to see my downfall. And yes, you DO want to see my down fall, because I am an American, and if this country falls, it will affect MY everyday life in a negative fashion.

Last time I checked, I had a pretty good relationship with my canadian/euro/south american/caribbean/etc friends, and they put it much more eloquently when they stated that they would like to see "change" rather than "downfall", so that us regular folks dont have to crash and burn with it.

PS I also dislike Oprah.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Thats all good and well vrk, but please try to remember, in the process of overgeneralizing us "americans", that most of us are just people who live day-to-day and just want to live a respectable life while not harming others. Unfortunately, as much as I love my country, in recent times we have had huge problems with our GOVERNMENT and its policies.

ugh since i actually live in canada, i come across this whole 'hating Americans' and how we are so arrogant/ignorant so much. yet canadians can't seem to decipher that they actually hate our gov't and its policies and not the American public. its quite retarded actually

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Originally posted by thesauce23 ugh since i actually live in canada, i come across this whole 'hating Americans' and how we are so arrogant/ignorant so much. yet canadians can't seem to decipher that they actually hate our gov't and its policies and not the American public. its quite retarded actually

lol...do you know how many times I have heard: "I hate Americans....well....except for you. You are cool."

Kids, I am american, you cant take that away from me, nor do I want you to. So.... love me or hate me, but you cant separate the two, its part of my identity and culture.

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Originally posted by thesauce23 ugh since i actually live in canada, i come across this whole 'hating Americans' and how we are so arrogant/ignorant so much. yet canadians can't seem to decipher that they actually hate our gov't and its policies and not the American public. its quite retarded actually

Don't you know that Canadian nationalism consists of anti Americanism and doing things opposite of Americans?

When it comes down to knowing about our neighbours to the south, Canadians are just about ignorant about Americans, same as Americans don't know much about Canadians

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Originally posted by EvilTree Don't you know that Canadian nationalism consists of anti Americanism and doing things opposite of Americans? When it comes down to knowing about our neighbours to the south, Canadians are just about ignorant about Americans, same as Americans don't know much about Canadians

lol maybe your gov does things different, but last time I checked we both live our lives very similar, if not identical. lol. I lived in toronto for a while and I didnt see much of a difference.....yo yo ma, stop drinking haterade. The gig is up, cuz I know you like me.

btw in terms of ignorance, I have to admit, that most americans just dont care about canada's policies and such, because what they do doesnt affect us as much as vise versa hey, at least I admit it.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby lol maybe your gov does things different, but last time I checked we both live our lives very similar, if not identical. lol. I lived in toronto for a while and I didnt see much of a difference.....yo yo ma, stop drinking haterade. The gig is up, cuz I know you like me.

i wasn't talking about me, since I'm more enlightened than avg Canuck

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby btw in terms of ignorance, I have to admit, that most americans just dont care about canada's policies and such, because what they do doesnt affect us as much as vise versa hey, at least I admit it.

so true. they dont teach us anything about canada in school.

unrelated to this thread but a funny clip - now thats ignorance



edit: holy crap i haven't laughed this hard since the deadmau5 thread in COR

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby but please try to remember, in the process of overgeneralizing us "americans", that most of us are just people who live day-to-day and just want to live a respectable life while not harming others.

Believe me, i ALWAYS carefully choose my words.
And I don't hate all Americans...honestly, I don't hate ANYBODY, and i never will ever hate anyone as long as I'm alive.
so if u read what i said, you'll notice that I never hated on Americans, but America:

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Originally posted by TheVrk I'd love to see the gradual breakdown of America and their stranglehold on the world.

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my wishes to see an idiot Republican win are purely just to see America slowly lose its power

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But more and more ppl across the planet disliking America is SO NOT a bad trend...its an INCREDIBLY GOOD trend imo

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and the world to continue to dislike America

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And the US gov't is supposed to be "of the people, for the people, by the people"...not of groups of interest aka billionaire corporations

vrk, yes I do understand what you were trying to say. I shoulda written things better myself, but thats why I was talking about how the downfall of our country would affect MY everyday life in a negative fashion.

Look at how much the actions of our government has ALREADY affected my everyday life.....our dollar is practically worthless, our economy sucks, conservative laws in every which direction, the decisions of our idiot leader indirectly leading to buildings in MY city to crash and burn by terrorists, the increase of fear and frustration (stemming from the lack of concern for our own citizens and the fact that the whole world "hates" us), not to mention the internal affairs (and even international policy...ie: darfur, etc) which have been completely ignored since GWB has his own agenda.

So even if you say you dont hate americans (which I fully believe you dont), "wishing" for the downfall of a country is certainly a negative comment towards the people who are just trying to get by and live life here, espcially the one's who are in complete agreement with the rest of the world.

Vrk, I totally see where you're comming from. I find that a lot of Americans I have spoken to about always associate these opinions as a hatred of Americans. As YankeeBaby said, she will obviously associate with this, since it is her country.

I would love to see an eventual withdrawal of the US from all foreign nations and lands, and a total restructuring of their entire socio-economic system. They are one of the only nations on Earth with the wealth and power to lead humanity towards unknown heights of peace and achievement. Unfortunately, their current policies make this impossible. I would love to see them draw inward, stop playing as the world police force. They have the potential to be a beacon of human achievement and lead the world through example, not force.... Anyways that's a mouthful of wishing that will probably never come to fruition.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby vrk, yes I do understand what you were trying to say. I shoulda written things better myself, but thats why I was talking about how the downfall of our country would affect MY everyday life in a negative fashion.

Not neccessarily. Your country has all the resources it could ever want to make the lives of its citizens better in every way. If the INSANE amount of money spent on "defense" (which I find laughable) were devoted to internal initiatives, who knows how far your nation could go. All that is needed is uncorrupt and effective leadership, which unfortunately can be argued your country has seldom had..
Ultimately, and unfortunately for you and 200 million of your countrymen, due to corporate greed, social miseducation, and a plethora of other factors spanning the last 60 years, your nation has tied itself into the unfavourable position that if it were to suffer a downfall, its citizentry would have quite the shitstorm to brave. Anyways, just my nutshell opinion

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby the decisions of our idiot leader indirectly leading to buildings in MY city to crash and burn by terrorists, the increase of fear and frustration (stemming from the lack of concern for our own citizens and the fact that the whole world "hates" us),

Terrorism in US was going to happen one way or another, because fundy Muslims don't like the Great Satan much.

The 'world hates us' thing goes all the way back... I'd say even back to Monroe Doctrine (Euros piss off in Americas. It's US turf now) Abrasive US foreign policy is something constant since the independence from Britain.

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not to mention the internal affairs (and even international policy...ie: darfur, etc) which have been completely ignored since GWB has his own agenda.

I think Bush pushed Darfur as much as he can. Because US is so despised by a lot of Muslim countries, US cannot be seen as taking the lead against another Muslim nation. (Or it'd be another Zionist crusaders invading holy Islamic land thingy)

So US can try to get others to take the lead in Darfur, but with substantial interference from Sudan backed by China, nothing much is going on. Esp. since everyone has to work within UN (which is a total joke)

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Originally posted by zokissima Not neccessarily. Your country has all the resources it could ever want to make the lives of its citizens better in every way. If the INSANE amount of money spent on "defense" (which I find laughable) were devoted to internal initiatives, who knows how far your nation could go. All that is needed is uncorrupt and effective leadership, which unfortunately can be argued your country has seldom had.. Ultimately, and unfortunately for you and 200 million of your countrymen, due to corporate greed, social miseducation, and a plethora of other factors spanning the last 60 years, your nation has tied itself into the unfavourable position that if it were to suffer a downfall, its citizentry would have quite the shitstorm to brave. Anyways, just my nutshell opinion

yes but thats just the point. I never said we didnt have potential, I was talking about if our country had a collapse, just like the "shitstorm" you refer to. that shitstorm was the negative effect I was talking about.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Terrorism in US was going to happen one way or another, because fundy Muslims don't like the Great Satan much. The 'world hates us' thing goes all the way back... I'd say even back to Monroe Doctrine (Euros piss off in Americas. It's US turf now) Abrasive US foreign policy is something constant since the independence from Britain. I think Bush pushed Darfur as much as he can. Because US is so despised by a lot of Muslim countries, US cannot be seen as taking the lead against another Muslim nation. (Or it'd be another Zionist crusaders invading holy Islamic land thingy) So US can try to get others to take the lead in Darfur, but with substantial interference from Sudan backed by China, nothing much is going on. Esp. since everyone has to work within UN (which is a total joke)

yes China is a major obstacle for us, and so is Sudan's resources. GWB doesnt wanna piss off the khartoum because the government can give him things that he needs. But, at the same time, he has to show the international community that he is not sitting on his ass, letting the "genocide" continue, so he imposes sanctions. wtf!! GWB putting sanctions on the country isnt gonna do shit but make him look like he is doing something positive. please.

The khartoum is happy because they know it wont affect them much, and the rest of the world kinda looks on like "oh, ok, so he IS doing something about it, sooooo I guess we can leave him alone now." meantime, people are still getting slaughtered and raped by the janjaweed on a daily basis. This is what I am talking about with f*cked up foreign policy. We only do shit that works for us, despite people being tortured in their own daily lives in order to do so.

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