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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Bearing in mind this list is ONLY from the UK charts and doesn't take into consideration all the other pop charts around the globe, I think you'd have to be a bit of an idiot to not recognise how commercial trance really is. Paul van Dyk: 28: Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel [Sep 1998] 13: Paul Van Dyk - Another Way / Avenue [Nov 1999] 07: Paul Van Dyk featuring Saint Etienne - Tell Me Why (The Riddle) [May 2000] 15: Paul Van Dyk - We Are Alive [Dec 2000] 14: Paul Van Dyk featuring Hemstock & Jennings Nothing But You [Jul 2003] 28: Paul Van Dyk featuring Vega 4 - Time Of Our Lives / Connected [Oct 2003] Ferry Corsten: 14: System F - Out Of The Blue [Apr 1999] 19: System F - Cry [May 2000] 22: Veracocha - Carte Blanche [May 1999] 15: Gouryella - Gouryella [Jul 1999] 27: Gouryella - Walhalla [Dec 1999] 26: Starparty - I'm In Love [Feb 2000] 29: Ferry Corsten - Punk [Jun 2002] 11: Ferry Corsten - Rock Your Body Rock [Feb 2004] 40: Ferry Corsten - Fire [Feb 2006] DJ Tiesto: 15: Gouryella - Gouryella [Jul 1999] 27: Gouryella - Walhalla [Dec 1999] 22: DJ Tiesto featuring Kirsty Hawkshaw - Urban Train [Sep 2001] 25: DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry [Apr 2002] 36: DJ Tiesto featuring Suzanne Palmer - 643 (Love's On Fire) [Jun 2002] 30: Tiesto featuring BT - Love Comes Again [May 2004] 37: Tiesto - Adagio For Strings [Apr 2005] DJ Sammy: 01: DJ Sammy & Yanou featuring Do - Heaven [Nov 2002] 02: DJ Sammy - The Boys Of Summer [Mar 2003] 08: DJ Sammy - Sunlight [Jun 2003] 07: DJ Sammy - Why [Jun 2005] Seriously, if you don't think trance is pop music you're either very deluded or in serious denial.

If you think DJ Sammy is trance then you are the one thats seriously deluded.

Same goes with Fire by Ferry Corsten. Might be made by a trance producer but its a pop song granted. You are using extreme examples that for the most part arnt even trance and Im referring to trance TODAY not 3-4 years ago. So all of your points are left firmly up your arse

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Originally posted by RebeL9 why so upset? I just asked because you made this statement: "To say trance is pop music is idiotic. Pop music is music thats in the charts." And basing it on your statement means that none of those producers I listed are trance music? Why are you contradicting yourself?

You just dont get it do you? What im saying is that trance WAS popular to the masses and could have been deemed pop music 3-4 years ago. The same could hardly be said today. Like I said I havent seen a bonafide proper trance tune thats been in the UK top 40 in at least 3 years.

If you have then you obviously study the charts more than me. Im sure there have been cases with tracks like "fire" and "the anthem" which were never trance tunes in the first place. They are just songs dressed up to bastardise trance.

You are one seriously fucking thick and deluded individual. Don't worry though, you just keep listening to those highly innovative and forward thinking underground trance artists of yours while reaching high for those lasers. You massive twat.

Your taste in music is as impressive as your intellect, which subsequently is no higher than a 5 year old.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg You just dont get it do you? What im saying is that trance WAS popular to the masses and could have been deemed pop music 3-4 years ago. The same could hardly be said today. Like I said I havent seen a bonafide proper trance tune thats been in the UK top 40 in at least 3 years. If you have then you obviously study the charts more than me. Im sure there have been cases with tracks like "fire" and "the anthem" which were never trance tunes in the first place. They are just songs dressed up to bastardise trance.

That's like saying Motown isn't pop music because it's not currently in the charts...

So I think what you're really trying to argue is that the quality of trance has fallen so much that it is no longer new or refreshing, and is henceforth dead as a vibrant genre. Is that what you're trying to argue?

Trance is to EDM what Britney Spears is to music.

period

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Originally posted by julien2 Trance is to EDM what Britney Spears is to music. period

well thats ur opinion b/c u just happen to dislike it...doesnt make it so though. britney spears is mainstream garbage pop/R&B.

are u saying thats what trance is in the edm world? again thats just ur opinion.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike You are one seriously fucking thick and deluded individual. Don't worry though, you just keep listening to those highly innovative and forward thinking underground trance artists of yours while reaching high for those lasers. You massive twat. Your taste in music is as impressive as your intellect, which subsequently is no higher than a 5 year old.

I didnt say what I go out and have a dance and a party to was innovative or forward thinking so again WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

The whole reason for the arguement was. Is trance pop music? Well today its NOT. Take Samim - Heater that "groudbreaking" techno anthem from the summer. That made it into the top 20 in the UK now are you saying techno is pop music?

Silly boy

to simplify, pop = popular

one could argue that commercial success puts certain music into the pop category.

I suppose it comes down to where you set your boundaries on what is and what isn't pop. In that way, both sides have a valid argument. It's all subjective anyway, as it usually is when genre classification is involved.

I'm in agreement with Mikey and co. Those tracks, and they are indeed trance by technical definition, fall in the realm of commercial popular dance/trance.

It doesn't change the fact that I love my Gouryella (or any other of those tracks), and discluding the vocal pop version Ligaya is a brilliant tune.

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Originally posted by julien2 Trance is to EDM what Britney Spears is to music. period

I'd love to hear what you call house then! Paris Hilton?

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Pop music is music designed to be easily accessible, to appeal to large ammounts of people and to be commercially viable. Trance is as pop as it gets.

Thank you for ratifying our suspicions that you haven't a clue what real trance music is.

was there a question (besides 'haan?') to this thread or was it just a nice opening to flame trance?

I cant anticipate what I know.

My music satisfaction come from my perfect knowledge of what will be in the near future.

everyone knows the secret to liking trance


it starts with an mdma

There's been chart hits for every major genre of dance music, I don't get what the point is here. Trance had For An Angel, Better off alone etc, house had Hands up 4 Detroit, Bodyrox etc.

A wise person once said this about Epic trance/Uplifting trance/Euphoric Trance, Emotional Trance, Pop Trance, Pop Trance, Mc Trance, Euro Trance.

This quote encapsulates this whole thread.

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Epic Trance is the gateway genre into the world of rave for most people, so if you have any form of music to blame for raves hitting the mainstream, this is it. Right here. And that, my friends, really, truly, terribly sucks. There must be a word to describe the pain one feels when witnessing (or hearing, rather) something once pure and brilliant completely sold down the water. Sometime in the mid-90s trance decided to drop the technique of slowly introducing complicated layers and building adequate tension over long stretches, replacing them with cutesy little insta-melodies (Robert Miles may actually be to blame for this). That made it more pop culture accessible. The average attention span, way too ritalin-freaked to pay attention to the slow, brooding trance in its original form, liked the anthemic singalong tone of the NEW McTrance, and that's why all you trance crackers are reading this right now. Not because you grew a taste for this super awesome underground music or you discovered it all by yourself once upon a time. But because trance reformed its sound and delivery to suit YOUR sweet-toothed, top40 pop music consuming tastes. Because the truth is Epic trance is not actually trance, per se. It is powdered, sugar-coated pop schmaltz draped over trance for easy digestion by giggling highschool girls and poser trendy types who would never think to even blink at trance in its raw incarnate. This is the musical equivalent of drowning a meal in ketchup so you can't taste the original flavour anymore.

Unfortunately, this is trance in 2008. The buildup-breakdown formulaic anthem trance, made to sold records to everyone and their 12 year old sister.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to become famous and make money.

What is wrong is to fake being interesting and innovative.

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Originally posted by julien2 A wise person once said this about Epic trance/Uplifting trance/Euphoric Trance, Emotional Trance, Pop Trance, Pop Trance, Mc Trance, Euro Trance. This quote encapsulates this whole thread. Unfortunately, this is trance in 2008. The buildup-breakdown formulaic anthem trance, made to sold records to everyone and their 12 year old sister. There is nothing wrong with wanting to become famous and make money. What is wrong is to fake being interesting and innovative.

Sounds like Ishkur to me, and if I were you, I'd reconsider the wisdom part.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg Then why are you posting on a TRANCE forum? Clown

maybe because my concept of pop is a little different than yours. and almost all trance, with the exception of psy/goa is very commercialized. even some psy/goa is commercialized. in other countries psy/goa is a very popular form of music. many indian movies have a psy/goa club scene. trance produced nowadays is primarily for the clubscene.

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Originally posted by chadi Kind of funny how trance is so often referred to as the "pop" of the bunch, when the reality is that house is far more popular than trance.

true but by definition the song structure of most trance played in clubs is a lot more "pop" than house. most of the house music played in clubs is a lot less melodic than pop and feature a lot less easily memorable elements.

i want to know though...whats the stigma with "pop"? all pop means is the song is able to appeal to many audiances easily. pop does not define the production value. some of the greatest music ever made/produced could be considered pop. almost all classic rock with an exception of a few more obscure artists is rather pop. all led zeppelin songs have a chorus, a melody you can hum, something very memorable. just because that is so doesnt mean that its not some of the greatest music ever recorded. in fact, those things contribute to the greatness of their music.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg Trading insults seems to be common place on here these days. Just giving something back. To say trance is pop music is idiotic. Pop music is music thats in the charts. Not music thats made to play in clubs and make people dance. Honestly some of the things I hear on this forum to slag off trance is as idiotic as the quote I made to the guy earlier.

dude, look at what your saying "Pop music is music thats in the charts. Not music thats made to play in clubs and make people dance." are you telling me there are no dance music charts? do you really think that the number one songs on the dance music charts are number one because how "not pop" they are?

please, broaden your mind a little, think outside the box. pop does not mean just rap and brittney stuf. if your not going to add anything possitive to this discussion then please dont post in this thread.

I really had a good laugh at all this "You have no idea about Trance", "Trance ist pop. No it's not. Yes it is!" discussions. Noobs and wanna-be-elitist are both ridiculous in their own way. But when they meet, hilarity ensues.

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Originally posted by Meat187 I really had a good laugh at all this "You have no idea about Trance", "Trance ist pop. No it's not. Yes it is!" discussions. Noobs and wanna-be-elitist are both ridiculous in their own way. But when they meet, hilarity ensues.

i swear every thread follows that cycle...its getting insanely predictable.

sometimes i dont know why i say shit in this forum. i agree with the previous post.

Well, as far as pop culture in trance goes, I don't even need to leave the (virtual) borders of my motherland to see awfully designed blogs (like this one) run by 16 year old Ti�sto fangirls drooling over every single press release that contains his name in it.

I've yet to see similar idiotic madness going on about a house/techno/whatever dj. Trance really has embraced pop more easier than any other EDM genre.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg You just dont get it do you? What im saying is that trance WAS popular to the masses and could have been deemed pop music 3-4 years ago. The same could hardly be said today. Like I said I havent seen a bonafide proper trance tune thats been in the UK top 40 in at least 3 years. If you have then you obviously study the charts more than me. Im sure there have been cases with tracks like "fire" and "the anthem" which were never trance tunes in the first place. They are just songs dressed up to bastardise trance.

I would say that the same type of trance that was on charts a few years ago is even more cheesy today. You wouldn't agree?
Take any tune of A&B for example and compare it to Gouryella. Sure as hell they sound more cheesier and "radiofriendly".
And what in your definition is a "proper trance tune"?
And the time factor doesn't matter. I am still wondering that all the large amount of trance tracks which was on radio a few years ago was that pop or trance? Because surely people even today would recognice them as trance if they heard it.

Yes, trance like Tiesto, Ferry & co can be considered like pop today, but trance is not only limited to these guys. And it�s still better that all theses techno / minimal boring shit tune that is the future (or present ?) of pop in EDM.

Leave Techno out of this ya'll, he's still one of the good guy's.

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