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Originally posted by Trancer-X That's an easy one. All a person has to do is discover that we've been and continue to be deceived on so many levels and on such a broad and vast array of topics. I think that almost anybody who's ever taken it upon themselves to actively and honestly search for even the smallest modicum of truth could tell you at least that much.

touch� good sir/madam.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X That's an easy one. All a person has to do is discover that we've been and continue to be deceived on so many levels and on such a broad and vast array of topics. I think that almost anybody who's ever taken it upon themselves to actively and honestly search for even the smallest modicum of truth could tell you at least that much.

True and you are correct.....

but my point was... A thread on MLK??

just as asinine as those focks over at FOX saying that a movie about a monster attacking new york was a kick in the face for the survivors 9/11.

its kind of "Let it Go Man, let it go...."

if every thing seems like a conspiracy, then your search for the truth leads to paranoia ....

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Originally posted by LazFX True and you are correct..... but my point was... A thread on MLK?? just as asinine as those focks over at FOX saying that a movie about a monster attacking new york was a kick in the face for the survivors 9/11. its kind of "Let it Go Man, let it go...." if every thing seems like a conspiracy, then your search for the truth leads to paranoia ....

It's not really even paranoia anymore, though, especially when one is so easily able to identify so many of the past and present perpetrators (and the agents) of financial and political malfeasance.

And yes, it's in a tribute thread to MLK, a man who vocally sought to destroy "the hypocrisy" of our country's alleged Democracy (something which it's really not, nor was it ever intended to be, anyway)

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not an expert by any means on this subject matter, so i hesitate to comment, but im willing to bet the situation is far more complicated than you're suggesting. the tariff/subsidy issue with american farmers is more than just corporate greed, and the farming lobbyists are pretty damn powerful in their own right.

This is where you need to seek the truth. You need to figure out the main concept behind farm subsidies and tariffs. Who benefits, who gains? What does the other side get? All the while thinking for yourself. Where is the "Vested Interest"?

A farmer isnt going to grow more corn if he isn't going to get paid for it. Who wouldn't want to work less for the same amount of money? Whats the incentive to work more? Your happy, you dont want to fight the tarrifs/subsidies. These are some of the reasons why big oil doesnt want ethanol... we have plenty of room to grow corn, and farmers are already NOT growing what the could be, because of vested interests. Big oil with the money, along with others, such as pepsi and coke, all try to make more money. Farmers couldn't cares less, because they works less and less for the same thing.


The simple fact of the matter is, people would rather not accept their responsibilities as humans. Most in america can't even clean up after themselves, so they hire illegal immigrants to clean their hotels and homes, and keep up their gardens. Then wondering why immigration is a problem, and the economy is suffering. All the while they are stuffing their face at mcdonalds, accepting everything that comes from MSM, and thinking the iPhone is a superior product, or the ipod is something more than a Digital Audio player, or more simply a hard drive with mp3 software. Everyone accepts words from others without questioning the world, and finding what is out there, the internet breaks this, and brings this together like it never has in history. Also we has anyone noticed a rise in DRUG ADVERTISEMENTS? I know I have, and I am only 24. I've watched it with my own eyes, more and more drugs are being pushed onto americans, and each one of them is scared into thinking they need to take "anti-depressants" or "weightloss" pills. Without ever questioning why, and realizing that the problem lies within themselves.

Growing up as a child with ADD, I have seen "Doctors" try to force Ritalin onto me. I could never function on that drug. Put me in a daze all day long for 12 hours, not questioning, just conforming. What these "Doctors" perceived as "ADD", I see a child trying to learn about the world he or she is in. But instead everyone accepts these doctors without question, the doctors believe drugs are the answer because they are paid by them. And now our children (i dont have any, thank god) are historically more dumb than ever before. Especially those that progress through "Federal" education systems.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont understand what your point is? yes, microsoft doesn't profit from wars, so???

Um. So they are hardly the bad guys, if anything we have to thank Microsoft, and Bill Gates for that matter. With the technologies they have provided us throughout the way. Cant look at just how poorly individual products like Vista, or ME do. Look at the progression of it. Where we are now.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN also, i hate to break it to everyone, but the "military industrial complex" (haha, i love that catchcry) make plenty of money in "peace time" as well. no really, they do. the US sells so much stuff to its allies its ridiculous. even to peace-loving countries like good ol' australia.

I think you may be getting it. Of course they make money during peace time, but remember what we learned about humans in game theory. If they can create a way to make more money, 80% of the time they will pick that. Also when you look at group studies and dynamics, and group mentalities this further proves this behavior.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN microsoft on the other hand profit during rain, hail or shine, and control the world's computer systems. that's a fair amount of power. yet, they couldn't use that evil corporate power to stay out of court and avoid hefty fines.

But they do only what is of Vested Interest to themselves. And yet they do use their corporate power to persuade other groups, ever seen them push their non-open "standards" on other groups who decide? Again, look at open source and the thriving Linux community as a whole.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not denying the power and influence of those with money, but its simply not as cut and dried as some of you make out. there are a billion and one interests all vying to be heard in washington (or canberra) and the idea that every successive government is beholden to one group of powerbrokers isnt credible. at least not to me.

It is. Humans are creatures. We have evolved. We still make plenty of mistakes, from large scale to individual scale. And no one understands how this all effects one another, until now. Welcome to the internet, do you want the Red Pill or the Blue Pill?

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Originally posted by toolman667 This is where you need to seek the truth. You need to figure out the main concept behind farm subsidies and tariffs. Who benefits, who gains? What does the other side get? All the while thinking for yourself. Where is the "Vested Interest"?

tariffs and subsidies are left-overs from early industrialisation. almost every country on the planet has some form of protectionism, which are (year by year) slowly being eroded through free trade agreements. i can assure you that coke or pepsi's influence in this regard are no more important than farmers or other countries' influences.

australia and america are often in negotiations to open up both our markets to each other, though the US maintains a large subsidy program for US farmers. this is to the supposed benefit of US farmers, NOT pepsi or coke.

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A farmer isnt going to grow more corn if he isn't going to get paid for it. Who wouldn't want to work less for the same amount of money? Whats the incentive to work more? Your happy, you dont want to fight the tarrifs/subsidies.

im not sure i follow you. how to tariffs or subsidies stop a farmer from growing more corn and getting paid for it? of course im not happy - im a big believer in free trade.

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These are some of the reasons why big oil doesnt want ethanol... we have plenty of room to grow corn, and farmers are already NOT growing what the could be, because of vested interests. Big oil with the money, along with others, such as pepsi and coke, all try to make more money. Farmers couldn't cares less, because they works less and less for the same thing.

again i think you're vastly over-simplifying the situation. ethanol is hardly the wonderful answer; it takes a lot of fossil fuels to create ethanol, which is one reason it isnt as popular as it might be. the major oil companies are also the ones making profit on ethanol fuels.

one thing youve got to remember is that the evil corporations arent some big conglomerate of mutually-agreeing businesses. they are actually in competition with each other. this means that government decisions can be beneficial to some whilst being detrimental to others. the idea that they all hold the government to ransom over the same goals simply isn't true. a government's "vested interests" revolve around being re-elected - there's little point in kow-towing to big business if the economic decisions for a thriving economy go against the interests of those evil corporations. if you wanna look at the evils of business influence in your country, i'd be focusing more on the pitiful minimum wage

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I've watched it with my own eyes, more and more drugs are being pushed onto americans, and each one of them is scared into thinking they need to take "anti-depressants" or "weightloss" pills. Without ever questioning why, and realizing that the problem lies within themselves. Growing up as a child with ADD, I have seen "Doctors" try to force Ritalin onto me. I could never function on that drug. Put me in a daze all day long for 12 hours, not questioning, just conforming. What these "Doctors" perceived as "ADD", I see a child trying to learn about the world he or she is in. But instead everyone accepts these doctors without question, the doctors believe drugs are the answer because they are paid by them. And now our children (i dont have any, thank god) are historically more dumb than ever before. Especially those that progress through "Federal" education systems.

yet there are millions of people worldwide that benefit greately from these medications. there's no doubt they're probably over-prescribed, but as long as i am making mature and sensible decisions about my own medical needs, i don't care what the rest of the world does, that's their own (personal) problem.

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I think you may be getting it. Of course they make money during peace time, but remember what we learned about humans in game theory. If they can create a way to make more money, 80% of the time they will pick that. Also when you look at group studies and dynamics, and group mentalities this further proves this behavior.

and i have yet to see any evidence of companies influencing (major) foreign policy initiatives. for instance, i know people love the catchcry "war for oil!", but in reality oil companies have the most to lose by destabilisation in a country where they hold major assets. i am also yet to see how the iraq war has benefited any major oil company yet. there's still less oil flowing out of iraq now than there was before the invasion.

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But they do only what is of Vested Interest to themselves. And yet they do use their corporate power to persuade other groups, ever seen them push their non-open "standards" on other groups who decide? Again, look at open source and the thriving Linux community as a whole.

and microsoft have been systematically caught and punished for leveraging their corporate power. how can you argue they are all powerful when they can't even keep the federal prosecutors at bay?

MLK is seriously overrated and doesn't deserve anywhere near the recognition or 'credit' he gets. And no, I don't have time to elaborate.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z MLK is seriously overrated and doesn't deserve anywhere near the recognition or 'credit' he gets. And no, I don't have time to elaborate.

trsut me you hvae tmie.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z MLK is seriously overrated and doesn't deserve anywhere near the recognition or 'credit' he gets. And no, I don't have time to elaborate.

and you base this on what??? please find the time....


edit: never mind, you are an idiot Z.....

Thanks to this goes to a friend from Seattle.


People please wake up.

MLK FOR LIFE.

PLUR.

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Originally posted by toolman667 And who are these "private contractors"? Are they human? Are they driven from selfish means? To think, some actual human, wants to create something to destroy and take away another human being's rights to this planet. All for money??? For something that SOMEONE ELSE tells them is of a certain value. Can't you see anything here?

It's pretty interesting work, for one. It's also a much better way to learn what's "really" going on than watching conspiracy videos on youtube and the like.

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