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my sister is a vegetarian. she is also an on-and-off vegan, budhist, animal rights fighter, environmentalist, guitarist, singer, bass player, surfer...

she cares so much about the environment she sleeps with a bedside light on, consistently (every day) leaves her bedroom light on when she leaves the house and also leaves her laptop on all day while she is at work... she also uses about 5x as much water as everyone else in the house.

you know the type.

believe it or not, there are a lot of them out there. i guess i find it hard to take these people seriously. the reason said vegetarians/vegans get sick so often is because they are borderline retarded, not so much because of their diet.

that said, farming practices are so f'ed up i prefer to just not think about it, in terms of animal cruelty and the environment.

I'm very careful about what I eat, I try to eat organic and fresh foods and I avoid ground beef. Steak is much safer though.

As far as being a vegetarian... I'm sure farmers don't check their fields to make sure there are no local cute animals that could get caught before they plow and tractor their fields. Especially true for large conglomerate farms...

If you REALLY want to prove a point by being a vegetarian, you probably should grow your own garden and eat from it exclusively. Eating vegetarian foods from the grocery store still result in animals being killed. But it's too inconvenient to grow our own farms, I suppose.

Secondly, there are many vitamins and nutrients that are found in meats, exclusively. They cannot be found in plants, and I'm relatively sure that they cannot be synthesized artificially. If you're a hardcore vegon, you're probably deficient of these nutrients and vitamins.

Anyone who is that concerned for the welfare of animals should grow their own food and raise their own livestock. If that's too inconvenient, chances are you're a hypocrite. Driving a hybrid still emits pollution, and just because it's less pollution doesn't mean YOU aren't adding to the problem. Ride a bicycle, or walk.

When you eat vegetarian, especially vegan, it's harder to get a good nutritional balance. That's the main reason I'm not a vegetarian: inconvenience.



I'm just waiting for the vat-grown meat.

The main reason I don't like vegans and vegetarians is because the majority are whiney and full of shit.

The animals were already tortured and are already dead. Not eating them is letting them be tortured and killed for no reason.

Vegans have the right to eat the way they do. Omnivores or carnivores do too.

People have the right to express their opinions.

What annoys me is ones who force others to follow them, or use propaganda, bend the truth, neglect statistics and select those in favour of their cause, turn children against their parents and any radical acts, to promote their lifestyle on others.

I don't like vegans who lie and preach that they can live a lifetime on a vegan diet alone. We've read this preaching several times on this board and elsewhere. They know it's a lie. They know they can't survive without dietary supplements. They won't tell you.

But please respect their desire to eat the way they do. They do so on moral grounds, and i honestly respect them for taking a stand and doing something about it. I do.

I just don't respect those select who get political about it.

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Originally posted by Audious The animals were already tortured and are already dead. Not eating them is letting them be tortured and killed for no reason.

Heh. Not quite that simple. By buying meat you help support the industry that tortures and kills them.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I don't like vegans who lie and preach that they can live a lifetime on a vegan diet alone...They know it's a lie. They know they can't survive without dietary supplements. They won't tell you.

The dietary supplements are vegan, too, as long as they don't come from animal products...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

wtf have you been all day? COR is going to hell in a handbasket

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Originally posted by fayraree wtf have you been all day? COR is going to hell in a handbasket

I've been at school.

Am I supposed to be the savior of the COR or something?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I've been at school. Am I supposed to be the savior of the COR or something?

no, we just coulda used your 1000 image posts for some of the retarded threads today. Don't worry, I tried my best to shit all over them

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Originally posted by fayraree no, we just coulda used your 1000 image posts for some of the retarded threads today. Don't worry, I tried my best to shit all over them

Well, I was told by a few people that my giant images were more annoying than the crap threads themselves, so I stopped posting them.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, I was told by a few people that my giant images were more annoying than the crap threads themselves, so I stopped posting them.

whoa u mean ppl communicate on COR without posting threads about it?!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The dietary supplements are vegan, too, as long as they don't come from animal products...

No kidding, but not the point.

part time vegetarian/vegan = vegetarian/vegan when sleeping

what a joke!

like all things what I'm observing is that there are various grades of vegetarian (those who do it for health reasons, those who are anti-animal cruelty, those who are in with the latest fad, those who eat fish and/or eggs, those who don't), and then there's vegan.

I'm glad to say that the folks that I have met so far are open and have been clear that "it's your body, do with it what you will" and haven't tried to force their beliefs down anybody's throat. If I met one of *those* people well some throat-punches would be in order.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie No kidding, but not the point.

Well, you said that people were lying when they said they could survive on a vegan diet. But that isn't necessarily a lie, because people can survive on a vegan diet, as long as they use supplements.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Heh. Not quite that simple. By buying meat you help support the industry that tortures and kills them.

I realize that. However, to get the majority who eat meat to stop will be quite the accomplishment.

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Originally posted by Audious I realize that. However, to get the majority who eat meat to stop will be quite the accomplishment.

Yep. That's why I'm hoping that it will be possible to develop tasty vat-grown meat. Then I could be an omnivore without having to slaughter animals or pay people to do it for me.

Oh, by the way, veal is delicious.

I get accused of being a vegetarian all of the time because I often order vegetarian dishes. The moment you don't eat meat with a meal, people are quick to the "hippy" bullshit and it's almost as fucking stupid as the ones who think they are seriously making a difference in the world by not eating animals.

I disagree with the torture of animals for the exact same reasons I disagree with the torture of humans, generally. On that note, if somebody offered me human, I'd probably try it. Dead matter is dead matter - there's really no suffering once it's been cooked, and refraining from eating it won't really stop the whole of consumers from perpetuating the process. It seems to me that life, itself, is just a cycle of consumption.

That said, I make it a rule for myself to not support the killing of more than one animal each day for my consumption needs, but I also generally eat once per day and that rarely contains meat as well. I don't really do it for health reasons. I wasn't raised that way. It's not part of my religion or something like that. I don't become sick when I eat [most] meat. I just do not feel as though I need it. The 3 square meals a day principle seems quite disingenuous to my occurring apetite - that is to say, I eat whenver I am hungry and that's basically it. Seems wrong to eat meat all of the time when there are plenty of alternatives - tofu, soy products, vegetables, protein supplements [not that I use those], and that you'd have to lead and awfully active lifestyle as well as regular, strenuous exercise to warrant the constant intake of calories and daily protein intake.

Maybe I am just an irrational skeptic, but it seems to me that the ones pushing people to eat, eat, eat are the ones with the most to gain from it. And that the processing of livestock for consumption is just as generally unnecessary, yet quite beneficial to those controlling the mass disregard for animals as, well, frankly, just as deserving of life as human beings.

But in the end, there is no morality to flesh, so eat up. You'll rot and we'll just consume you anyways, so might as well immerse yourself in life's simple little participations.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, you said that people were lying when they said they could survive on a vegan diet. But that isn't necessarily a lie, because people can survive on a vegan diet, as long as they use supplements.

Semantics... food, better?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You'll rot and we'll just consume you anyways, so might as well immerse yourself in life's simple little participations.

Whoa, lots of inconsistencies in there but the one I'd like to comment on is that if ur gonna rot anyways, too, might as well eat meat!

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Originally posted by fayraree Whoa, lots of inconsistencies in there but the one I'd like to comment on is that if ur gonna rot anyways, too, might as well eat meat!

I never said I didn't eat meat.

And yeah, there's loads of inconsistencies. But not everything is black/white, good/bad, etc...

If more people severely limited their consumption of meat as well as food in general, there would be far less of a demand for the problems in our world we seem to be great at perpetuating. I'm not syaing they would go away or something ridiculous like that - I'm just saying that what isn't necessary in regards to the destruction of life will catch up to us in the worst way possible.

Although it is quite ironic that obesity, diabetes and various other health issues are in fact symptoms of a sort of "healthy" economic and consumerist affluence.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Although it is quite ironic that obesity, diabetes and various other health issues are in fact symptoms of a sort of "healthy" economic and consumerist affluence.

good observation.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On And yeah, there's loads of inconsistencies. But not everything is black/white, good/bad, etc...

Unfortunately it seems that for most people this conversation is an all or nothing affair.

Shame really, because as in most things in life it's the extremist douchebags who inhibit any real progress ever being made.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Although it is quite ironic that obesity, diabetes and various other health issues are in fact symptoms of a sort of "healthy" economic and consumerist affluence.

Sort of, although the most affluent people actually tend to be the least obese, at least in Western countries. More than anything else, obesity is a symptom of eating foods that are bad for your body (which may have an economic component, since healthier foods tend to be more expensive).

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