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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ouch. well then, is the REAL problem the FBI having a database or a system of government which gives the head of state far too much fucking power? goddamn your system sucks dog's balls!

Australia doesn't have a similar program only because they don't have the technology to do it if they wanted to by mandate from the head kangaroo.


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Originally posted by smokeape Australia doesn't have a similar program only because they don't have the technology to do it if they wanted to by mandate from the head kangaroo. [[[smoke]]]

im talking about system(s) of government not the program per se you ignorant fool.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im talking about system(s) of government not the program per se you ignorant fool.

Are you still stealing aboriginal children from their mothers and giving them foster homes with white parents to be abused and delineate the race or did you give that up recently?


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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ...Read some history. The judicial branch has historically been reticent to limit executive power, especially during wartime. In some instances they have specifically neglected to deal with what they consider political questions in areas like international relations and how to prosecute wars.

Maybe that's because given the sensitive nature of Intelligence, and the fact that we're at war, it causes the Judiciary to favor the people who are looking out for our best interest...which is also in the interest of national security?

And this article and topic has nothing to do with war anyway. So why are you bringing it up? Running out of arguments? lol

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Originally posted by smokeape Are you still stealing aboriginal children from their mothers and giving them foster homes with white parents to be abused and delineate the race or did you give that up recently? [[[smoke]]]

your point being? you think i give two shits about what my govt did before i was born?

Most countries seem to have a really shitty history of slavery.

It's exactly why things like surveillance and soft totalitarianism are utilized anymore, as they are more effective. Encourage people not to care, and trade in their personal freedoms for the illusion of safety, provide incentive for them to put utter faith in their system, and you have no dirty laundry to take out. No horrible, bloody events for the history books. No stains on the legacy of a supposed "Great" nation, and you can make people do whatever you want them to.

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Originally posted by smokeape Are you still stealing aboriginal children from their mothers and giving them foster homes with white parents to be abused and delineate the race or did you give that up recently? [[[smoke]]]

No, that was back in your generation.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On soft totalitarianism

now, what on earth is THAT supposed to mean? i am unaware of quasi totalitarianism

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Maybe that's because given the sensitive nature of Intelligence, and the fact that we're at war, it causes the Judiciary to favor the people who are looking out for our best interest...which is also in the interest of national security? And this article and topic has nothing to do with war anyway. So why are you bringing it up? Running out of arguments? lol

But the topic has everything to do with war. "National security" is one of the most frequent excuses that executives use to seize more power.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN now, what on earth is THAT supposed to mean? i am unaware of quasi totalitarianism

Ask Jingles!

A single figurehead can have utter control if he is the idol by which mandates are issued to indoctrinate people gradually; make them trust in you, make them love the system because it fulfills their ever (assigned) need. Above all, misdirect the people from the idea that there is conflict; keep them safe from the fears that grow within and you can control them slowly and absolutely.

You do not need trenches of dead patriots and subversive factions in order to be marked a dictator. The worst dictators are often the ones that history remembers as Dictators. The best are the ones hiding behind that veil of innocence - the appearance of magnanimity.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN now, what on earth is THAT supposed to mean? i am unaware of quasi totalitarianism

Soft totalitarianism is when people submit themselves voluntarily to all-encompassing control, rather than being crushed into it by a dictator / militarist regime.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN your point being? you think i give two shits about what my govt did before i was born?

Your heritage is gov't sponsored kidnapping and race delineation. We had slavery here in the USA and aren't real proud of the fact these days, but you had slavery as well. But in sum, we never went to the extremes that you sick f*cks did.

You might not give two shits about what your gov't did in the past, but what two shits are they doing today that we should pay attention to? Y'all seem to be a major background player in any world affairs.


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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But the topic has everything to do with war. "National security" is one of the most frequent excuses that executives use to seize more power.

"excuses" ?

what exactly do you think these bodies "sieze" more power for, if war or terrorism is just a pretence?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On A single figurehead can have utter control if he is the idol by which mandates are issued to indoctrinate people gradually; make them trust in you, make them love the system because it fulfills their ever (assigned) need. Above all, misdirect the people from the idea that there is conflict; keep them safe from the fears that grow within and you can control them slowly and absolutely. You do not need trenches of dead patriots and subversive factions in order to be marked a dictator. The worst dictators are often the ones that history remembers as Dictators. The best are the ones hiding behind that veil of innocence - the appearance of magnanimity.

um, so super tuesday is just a ruse by the president to make you THINK youre in a liberal democracy?

sorry, but as long as you have free and fair elections you can't start throwing around terms like "totalitarian", soft or not

"Excuse" was a poor choice. "Justification" is more neutral and appropriate.

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Originally posted by smokeape Your heritage is gov't sponsored kidnapping and race delineation. We had slavery here in the USA and aren't real proud of the fact these days, but you had slavery as well. But in sum, we never went to the extremes that you sick f*cks did.

tell that to the native americans. i would suggest deliberately spreading disease to kill off the indigenous population would go alongside that rather well, wouldnt you agree?

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Originally posted by smokeape You might not give two shits about what your gov't did in the past, but what two shits are they doing today that we should pay attention to? Y'all seem to be a major background player in any world affairs. [[[smoke]]]

i think you're a (very) confused idiot. nothing you're talking about has ANY relevance to systems or structures of government you fool. you wanna talk about this shit, go make another thread.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Excuse" was a poor choice. "Justification" is more neutral and appropriate.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But the topic has everything to do with war. "National security" is one of the most frequent excuses that executives use to seize more power.

No, it doesn't. The article is about new forms of I.D.'s

But to answer your post anyway; To what end is this supposed "seizing of power" that you imagine, happening for?

Where is "Big Brother" going with this?

Do you see some Grand Conspiracy afoot? Will it be alleviated if and when a Democrat comes to the Oval Office?

You can't make blanket statements like; "Big Brother is out to get you!" without showing me WHY they are. I don't think that even Politicians are dumb enough to waste their time "seizing more power" if it leads to no specific goal or end result for them. That's like saying "I'm going to breathe more heavily, because air is free and I can!"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN tell that to the native americans. i would suggest deliberately spreading disease to kill off the indigenous population would go alongside that rather well, wouldnt you agree? i think you're a (very) confused idiot. nothing you're talking about has ANY relevance to systems or structures of government you fool. you wanna talk about this shit, go make another thread.

No, don't necessarily need another thread to answer foolish questions. How do you deliberately spread disease? Like I walk over there and hand it to you or something? Believe Indians got flu and like symptoms which devasted them hard since they were brought over from England and they had no immunity. We get the same problem with infectious flu in the Army this time of year with soldiers arriving daily to Reception Battalions from all over the US, Puerto Rico, Panama, and Guam, and being placed in tight quarters where those diseases can rapidly spread.

Australia is a minor player in world affairs. You come across thinking your country is equal to a superpower, when in fact you're only small 'taters. Live with it or move.


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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN your point being? you think i give two shits about what my govt did before i was born?

I wish more people in this country would have that attitude. Crying about the past (ANCIENT past), serves no one.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Do you see some Grand Conspiracy afoot? Will it be alleviated if and when a Democrat comes to the Oval Office?

No. Your assumptions are showing.

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You can't make blanket statements like; "Big Brother is out to get you!" without showing me WHY they are.

I made such a statement?

I don't think anything specific is "afoot," and I'm not even that worried about my own personal liberty, since I'm not a very radical kinda guy. I just don't particularly trust anyone to wield the huge amounts of power that some politicians are claiming for themselves, especially since they've done a piss-poor with what power they have. Or do you want to say that the American adventures down in Guantanamo are all peachy-keen?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No. Your assumptions are showing. I made such a statement? I don't think anything specific is "afoot," and I'm not even that worried about my own personal liberty, since I'm not a very radical kinda guy. I just don't particularly trust anyone to wield the huge amounts of power that some politicians are claiming for themselves, especially since they've done a piss-poor with what power they have. Or do you want to say that the American adventures down in Guantanamo are all peachy-keen?

Don't listen to no dumbass Cajun. Anyone who had sense has since popped smoke and moved away from that mudhole after the hurricane. Ones that are left will challenge Mississippi and Alabama for national stupidy scores in Elementary and High School tests. We will no longer be able to declare "Thank God for Mississippi" in a year or two.


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Originally posted by jennypie Hay guise, I'm making nachos.

nachos9 variety?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I made such a statement? I don't think anything specific is "afoot," and I'm not even that worried about my own personal liberty, since I'm not a very radical kinda guy. I just don't particularly trust anyone to wield the huge amounts of power that some politicians are claiming for themselves...

WHAT "Politicians"? And; "Claiming for themselves"? Really? They can do that, can they? Are we living in the same country? Last I checked, it's not a Dictatorship.

Again, to what end is this supposed power grab coming about? You're the one who is trying to connect this desire to up-date an I.D. database...one that from what I see, is WAY more solid reason to have, than not to have...with a desire to "control" us, not me. If you're going to make accusations like that, then show me the motive.

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