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This is probably the most pointless waste of time thread ever posted. A good tune is a good tune whether it uses the banjo and a triangle or a 50 piece orchestra. What's your point?

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Originally posted by Reno What's your point?

Attention.

Am I the only one who thinks the threadstarter actually has a point?

point or no point, strive to be good, not to be different.

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Originally posted by Subtle Am I the only one who thinks the threadstarter actually has a point?

you're not. The guy definitely has a point.

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Originally posted by Johnny Cache you cannot make trance or other "techno" style music work in other time signatures than 4/4.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=272726

pjotr did with his awesome track 3-2-1 which lasted 3:21 in 3/4 or something lol, great work pjotr!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Failures don't earn prizes. Except in special olympics... which I presume you're very familiar with.

Dam right familiar! Who do you think has been sponsoring your lack-luster special Olympian career all these years, retard?

...I love this thread.... it's so bad.

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Originally posted by Subtle Am I the only one who thinks the threadstarter actually has a point?

The guy has a point, I was prepared to go along with him until he started rambling about stuff that he doesn't understand and insulting people left right and centre.
Also, the way that he stated his case was a little arrogant to me. Since you actually produce Subtle, and are not generally insulting or arrogant, most of us would probably be quite happy to discuss ways of getting around cliches with you.

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Originally posted by kitphillips The guy has a point, I was prepared to go along with him until he started rambling about stuff that he doesn't understand and insulting people left right and centre. Also, the way that he stated his case was a little arrogant to me. Since you actually produce Subtle, and are not generally insulting or arrogant, most of us would probably be quite happy to discuss ways of getting around cliches with you.

I was thinking of a clever and spiteful reply but couldn't... so, I hope you're happy - you hurt me bad... real bad.

what was arrogant? the cheekiness? like I have an illusion of being somewhat important for someone to actually consider my "tone" as serious??? and who gives a shit of how the case is stated? is it true or not? or do you just care about the tone, not the message? my point was rather clear - tance has become stagnant and wallowing in its own vomit. the end. rest of you decided to conjure up some crap that wasn't there to begin with and threw the first rock in terms of insults. for every action....

Cheers.

This guy does have a point about the lack of originality.
The market is being flooded with garbage because everyone wants to be a DJ/Producer these days and its getting easier to do so. Its to bad this guy does not know what he is talking about... Saying minimal sux? moron.. Minimal is the genre that is pushing the boundaries of creativity. I think the guy has a point about cliches but just has no idea how to express himself because he does not know enough about the music.

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht This guy does have a point about the lack of originality. The market is being flooded with garbage because everyone wants to be a DJ/Producer these days and its getting easier to do so. Its to bad this guy does not know what he is talking about... Saying minimal sux? moron.. Minimal is the genre that is pushing the boundaries of creativity. I think the guy has a point about cliches but just has no idea how to express himself because he does not know enough about the music.

+1

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht This guy does have a point about the lack of originality. The market is being flooded with garbage because everyone wants to be a DJ/Producer these days and its getting easier to do so. Its to bad this guy does not know what he is talking about... Saying minimal sux? moron.. Minimal is the genre that is pushing the boundaries of creativity. I think the guy has a point about cliches but just has no idea how to express himself because he does not know enough about the music.

Nice ninjar edit... I was gonna agree with you after your 3rd same post but since you yanked it, I'll have to argue my point.

1. just because I don't like minimal does not mean I don't know music, dick. It's a matter of taste, not knowledge. I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

2. yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. so fucking what? does it make me less qualified to understand where an element is being overused?

Sure, you can say - "well, no one told Picasso that yellow is overused and he shouldn't use it". But that's not the case! it's not the content, it's the same fucking shit in and out. it's as if every single one of the artists decided to paint the same fucking building.

clear?

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Originally posted by aNYthing it's as if every single one of the artists decided to paint the same fucking building.

If you don't like it don't listen to it. We produce what we like to hear. End of discussion? I think so.

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Originally posted by Nightshift End of discussion? I think so.

and I'm an arrogant prick?

Dude its fine that you dont enjoy minimal but dont classify it the way you did because like you said you dont know much about it so leave it out of your rant entirely. The overused element stuff I couldnt agree more so I have no problem with that statement.

i lol'd

but minimal is awsome, so shut your face.

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Originally posted by aNYthing 2. yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. so fucking what? does it make me less qualified to understand where an element is being overused?

yes

and..

Yeah, you had your point in the original post, which was more like a rant, but why insult the people that disagree with you? Why not engage in a debate with those that disagree with you rather than just shove an ad hominem argument in their faces? That's all I've seen since your first post. In all seriousness, where would you like to see things go?

Good point, 3F05Q. It would have been much more constructive for aNYthing to offer up some suggestions for what they would like to hear. Maybe some examples of artists they feel ARE pushing the envelope, that we could pay attention to?

I could complain for ages about many musical styles I don't particularly enjoy and point out why I don't enjoy the majority of the style. But I don't. I just listen to musical styles I do enjoy and let others listen to the other styles.

aNYthing, if there are some particular sounds you want to hear and nobody's delivering it, either offer to pay producers to create the music you want to hear or start learning how to create it yourself.

Your original point is not without merit. But there are some producers still creatively using some of these "cliches" in new ways. There are producers who are pushing the boundaries and people will start noticing them because they're bringing something new to the table. Trance has "died" more times than I can remember and sometimes I also felt that way. But that was a matter of my personal viewpoint, not the objective reality. I was focussing on the "sameness" rather than the exciting new producers coming out. And they are always coming out, sometimes in smaller numbers, sometimes in greater numbers. Focus on the producers pushing the boundaries and you'll have a different view than if you focus on the majority.

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Originally posted by Centra Spike http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=272726

respect

Def Pjotr, just listened it Great listen!!

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This guy does have a point about the lack of originality.The market is being flooded with garbage because everyone wants to be a DJ/Producer these days and its getting easier to do so. Its to bad this guy does not know what he is talking about... Saying minimal sux? moron.. Minimal is the genre that is pushing the boundaries of creativity. I think the guy has a point about cliches but just has no idea how to express himself because he does not know enough about the music.

I don't personally understand the point of view which says that more poducers on the market (due to cheaper equipment) makes for more boring/low quality/unorignal releases.
It seems self evident to me that the more producers there are out there, the more diversity there will be and the more originality.
To borrow an analogy from Darwin, the more diversity there is in the species the more likely it is to survive.

This is just my opinion mind you, but I really think that people who complain about the fact that more people can now produce more easily
are missing the point of electronic music generally. The whole idea behind electronic (and even behind rap, house and hip hop styles earlier) was that everyone could make the music - even if they couldn't read music or play an instrument.
It was a freeform method of expression in which even people with no actual musical talent could enjoy the act of creation. This basically lead to a more pure and democratic form of music, where people weren't judged on the basis of whether they played, what they played or how they played it, they were judged on the basis of their actual art.
The artist's identity basically was subsumed by the music, and they were made irrelevant except to the extent that their name could be used to find more similar tracks. Of course, all this has changed these days, which is why I think that everyone has it backwards. We should be glad that there are more producers and easier/cheaper equipment, because it helps brings things back to that original freedom.

EDIT: And that, ladies and gentlemen is how a RANT should be conducted

I've got some to add.

1. Squelchy Psy Kicks. These are just lame. They were kind of cool 10 years ago, but ever since Fruity Loops came with a sample of one it has been over used by every psy producer and his granma.

2. That Psy Saw Bass. Everyone knows the bass im talking about. The rolling bass, KxXx KxXx KxXx KxXx. Jesus christ lame. Who thought to make a genre out of stealing this classic trance bass pattern and adding a squelchy kick?

3. Pitch bendy Psy Leads. yawn. Get something new.

4. Distorted guitars. Didn't we move on to electronic music to get away from this crap?

4. Random eastern instruments and vocals. Cmon ppl. Yawn.

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Originally posted by kitphillips This is just my opinion mind you, but I really think that people who complain about the fact that more people can now produce more easily are missing the point of electronic music generally. The whole idea behind electronic (and even behind rap, house and hip hop styles earlier) was that everyone could make the music - even if they couldn't read music or play an instrument. It was a freeform method of expression in which even people with no actual musical talent could enjoy the act of creation. This basically lead to a more pure and democratic form of music, where people weren't judged on the basis of whether they played, what they played or how they played it, they were judged on the basis of their actual art. The artist's identity basically was subsumed by the music, and they were made irrelevant except to the extent that their name could be used to find more similar tracks. Of course, all this has changed these days, which is why I think that everyone has it backwards. We should be glad that there are more producers and easier/cheaper equipment, because it helps brings things back to that original freedom.

Best post I've seen in a while. Exactly right.

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