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What I cannot believe is that so few actually understand the idea of Karma. To anyone who thinks that Karma is some cosmic force that determines what will happen to you in the future based on what you do today... you're mistaken. The Hindu concept of Karma is that the TOTALITY of your actions throughout your ENTIRE life comes to a sum of Dharma (harmony with the universe). If your actions through out your life are overwhelmingly contrary to Dharma then you move away from it, if in keeping then you move toward it. The closer you are to reaching this state of harmony at the end of your life determines how you are reincarnated in your next life (gender, cast, class, etc). The key here is this all happens at the END of you life, it is not an instant reward/punishment system.... this instant karma idea is nothing but a misread of the concept or an attempt by persons of non-vedic traditions to make this concept fit with their beliefs.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the type of "karma" being described in this thread is pure and utter revisionist bullshit professed by people who are seeking some sort of cosmic justice, probably in an attempt to confort themselves when they are slighted but unable to enforce justice directly. The Hindu idea of karma, on the otherhand, I will not discount as being invalid; however, I do not believe it to be true.

Fair enough, I will admit to have little knowledge of hinduism, yet if the concept is as you say, then it sounds likewise as bullshit to me.

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Originally posted by RickyM Thanks for that Dr Freud. If you were to be given an enema after death, they could bury you in a matchbox.

Ha, that was pretty good.

I fucking need an enema after three weeks in Asia eating local food.

People that believe in stupidity are karmic.

Whatever the case what you believe will determine the outcomes that you have in your own life, karma or no karma.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK Whatever the case what you believe will determine the outcomes that you have in your own life, karma or no karma.

The last time I believed I could fly, I didn't achieve the expected results

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Originally posted by Lira The last time I believed I could fly, I didn't achieve the expected results

oh yeah, it's got to be achievable too. NOt to mention you've actually got to take actions to make it happen, not just sit there dreaming up ludicrous ideas.

Like people who want want to be rich and famous but do jack shit to get there. Then they blame the world for them not achieving their goals

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK Whatever the case what you believe will determine the outcomes that you have in your own life, karma or no karma.

As much as I think I appreciate your sentiment, I wholly disagree. Beliefs are often the counter to outcome and the cause of disappointment. Not that I am saying that one should not hold beliefs, it's just that understanding the beliefs of yourself and as many people as possible is far more rewarding than just sitting in your corner with your backwards expectations.

Vee are nihilishts, Lebowski...vee believe in nah-zhingg!

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK oh yeah, it's got to be achievable too. NOt to mention you've actually got to take actions to make it happen, not just sit there dreaming up ludicrous ideas.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On As much as I think I appreciate your sentiment, I wholly disagree. Beliefs are often the counter to outcome and the cause of disappointment. Not that I am saying that one should not hold beliefs, it's just that understanding the beliefs of yourself and as many people as possible is far more rewarding than just sitting in your corner with your backwards expectations.

I see where you're coming from but think of this...

If you don't believe that it's possible for you to get that girl, car, job, money, etc... and take no action to get what you want... what are the chances of you getting it?

There's also conscious versus unconscious belief. Social programming and other things affect our beliefs yes, but limiting beliefs can be changed. The problem that you're highlighting is that people don't realise that they have limiting beliefs.

Ohh, I'm with you now.

Yeah, I don't underestimate the power of self-determination, no matter how foolish it may very well be. I'm certainly not one of those "ya gotta stay positive!!!" kinda guys, but I understand its worth.

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Originally posted by Lira The last time I believed I could fly, I didn't achieve the expected results

When I was in middle school i spent about a week convincing myself the matrix was real. I was extremely close to walking on walls, but did not truly believe yet.


Stupid kids

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Originally posted by iammesol When I was in middle school i spent about a week convincing myself the matrix was real. I was extremely close to walking on walls, but did not truly believe yet. Stupid kids

Oh, I feel your pain. I guess that happened to me because I took the blue pill, and all I got was a raging boner

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Originally posted by Lira Oh, I feel your pain. I guess that happened to me because I took the blue pill, and all I got was a raging boner

hey hook a brother up!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the title of this thread sums you up perfectly.

thanks for the compliment, ill take what i can get

i never mentioned what i 'beleived' in, but good on you for assuming the wrong way. but by all means, please keep feeding this thread more idiocy so we can all get our FDA approved daily allotment

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Originally posted by agentorange i never mentioned what i 'beleived' in, but good on you for assuming the wrong way.

NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME, MY BELIEFS ARE QUITE COUNTER TO THE IDEAS THAT I EXPRESS, IT'S ALL JUST A PLOY TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO MISUNDERSTANDING MY PAINNNNNNNNN

*slams door to room*

dude, you SO need to go to that emo forum.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard What I cannot believe is that so few actually understand the idea of Karma. To anyone who thinks that Karma is some cosmic force that determines what will happen to you in the future based on what you do today... you're mistaken. The Hindu concept of Karma is that the TOTALITY of your actions throughout your ENTIRE life comes to a sum of Dharma (harmony with the universe). If your actions through out your life are overwhelmingly contrary to Dharma then you move away from it, if in keeping then you move toward it. The closer you are to reaching this state of harmony at the end of your life determines how you are reincarnated in your next life (gender, cast, class, etc). The key here is this all happens at the END of you life, it is not an instant reward/punishment system.... this instant karma idea is nothing but a misread of the concept or an attempt by persons of non-vedic traditions to make this concept fit with their beliefs. I suppose what I'm saying is that the type of "karma" being described in this thread is pure and utter revisionist bullshit professed by people who are seeking some sort of cosmic justice, probably in an attempt to confort themselves when they are slighted but unable to enforce justice directly. The Hindu idea of karma, on the otherhand, I will not discount as being invalid; however, I do not believe it to be true.

how does one attain "harmony" with the universe if there isn't some "bean-counter" factoring in your life's choices and how they relate to what it means to be harmonious? ie there's still some kind of quasi-sentience afoot keeping an eye on you is there not?

but youre right, that idea is infinitely better than the bastardised western "understanding".

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK hey hook a brother up!

People that believe other people are stupid have bad karma.

First religion, now this? What's next?

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Originally posted by fayraree First religion, now this? What's next?

astrology? palm reading? tea leaves?

what would you like?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN astrology? palm reading? tea leaves? what would you like?

mmm steak and BJ plzthx?

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Originally posted by fayraree First religion, now this? What's next?

The concept of Karma is part of a number of religions... so it's really part and parcel.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN how does one attain "harmony" with the universe if there isn't some "bean-counter" factoring in your life's choices and how they relate to what it means to be harmonious? ie there's still some kind of quasi-sentience afoot keeping an eye on you is there not? but youre right, that idea is infinitely better than the bastardised western "understanding".

As I understand it, the process of moving toward harmony with the universe is not a reward/punishment system imposed by any outside force; rather, it is simply a state of being. Consider it more in terms of homeostatic balance... it's self regulating... it simply is or is not balanced. While the Vedic religions do believe in gods and even a universal god (Brahman, note all the other gods flow from Brahman) these entities do not control the Karmic wheel; rather, they exist as part of dharma (in balance), when the spirit reaches this state of harmony it becomes part of Brahman.

The western concept of Karma, like I stated earlier, is really nothing more then ineffectual people seeking comfort that the universe will extract justice where they cannot.

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