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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN AKA "the truth" ?? here is a short compilation of the "truths" found in the first part of the "documentary".

53 errors in 11 minutes. That's actually quite impressive.

First half of the movie definitely sucked (terrible, terrible errors and lies). Second half was good. 2/5 overall, my rating. Amateur video that is not very well backed or researched, though in the second half I really enjoyed the references to the decadent television and history of government abuse of power and manipulation.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN AKA "the truth" ?? here is a short compilation of the "truths" found in the first part of the "documentary". Now, I wouldn�t be surprised if there were a few errors in this analysis, but unlike the maker(s) of zeitgeist im sure they're honest and not deliberate misrepresentations to further the argument.

LOL, wow. That's quite a list for 11 minutes. BTW, I'm kind of surprised you take your source seriously (no, I'm not saying that to detract from the content, just surprised that you of all people would use that as a source).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, wow. That's quite a list for 11 minutes. BTW, I'm kind of surprised you take your source seriously (no, I'm not saying that to detract from the content, just surprised that you of all people would use that as a source).

I actually started doing one myself, but then decided I couldn't be fvcked! He's gone to way more effort than I would be able to anyway.

Normally I would prefer something other than another forum user, but as yet I haven't been able to find any critiques of the film, so I was left with this. Good though, its pretty easy to fact-check because its all rather well-known mythology and he provided the sites.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I actually started doing one myself

You were willing to waste that much time?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN , but then decided I couldn't be fvcked! He's gone to way more effort than I would be able to anyway. Normally I would prefer something other than another forum user, but as yet I haven't been able to find any critiques of the film, so I was left with this. Good though, its pretty easy to fact-check because its all rather well-known mythology and he provided the sites.

Well, it's definetly a very poorly researched ameteur movie.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You were willing to waste that much time?

oh, i certainly wasn't going to do the whole film!! i just found myself checking some of the commentary as it went (and making some notes), with google and wiki etc and found things weren't quite adding up. then i sobered up and decided it was a colossal waste of my time, so im glad someone else has done it, and with a much higher attention to detail!

It really sucks when someone, who is unaware of the fallacies, takes the time to watch the movie and, much to his dismay, finds out the movie is full of inaccuracies. That was me. I want two hours of my life back. Actually, it really serves as an exemplar - you never really know what's going on till you research all sides of the story.

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Originally posted by Krypton ASOT, plz excuse PKC.. We already have had Zeitgeist threads and debates. You can search for them using the button on the top left..

Noooo!! Don't do it, ASOT!! They'll ridicule you for bringing back an old thread if you do

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, it's definetly a very poorly researched ameteur movie.

I agree but at the same time I think (or at least hope) that it might spark enough intellectual curiosity in those who might want to further investigate the subject matter in itself.

As I've been saying more and more lately, our world is meant to be investigated and explored and not escaped through a maze of mindless and pointless diversions.

Aldous Huxley was definitely right about one thing. While George Orwell was worried about the banning of books, Huxley was simply just afraid that people would be so thoroughly conditioned that they wouldn't even want to read them.

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Huxley, Orwell & Television Below is the foreword of Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves To Death: Public Discourse In The Age Of Show Business. His book, written in 1985, warned that entertainment values corrupt the way Americans think about news, politics, education, and religion, and that these values are transmitted and validated by television. "Television," Postman writes, "has little tolerance for argument, hypothesis, or explanation: it demands a performing art." Mr. Postman died in October 2003. Learn more about his writings at edtechnot.com. See also this tribute to him at Axis of Aevil. "We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares. "But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another -- slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think. "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preocuppied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny 'failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions.' In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us. "This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right." http://www.philosophicalsociety.com...0Television.htm

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