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Originally posted by PETRAN "it doesn't go somewhere" means (from what i get) that the tune doesn't have a theme or a clear idea, but, as in the current case, uses lots of filling elements like all sorts of effects or micro-melodies that sound like they are created for the purpose of filling the track (music-by-numbers) not for the purpose of personal artistic expression

Exactly.

So many tracks seem like they were made by people who were producing for the sake of producing, not by someone who really wanted to transform feeling into sound or sound into feeling.

It seems like lots of tracks aren't "expressions" of anything, but just the end result of semi-randomly filling in blank space in a sequencer until something "release-worthy" happens to come together.

For so many electronic musicians the "electronic" part seems to be overshadowing the "musician" part...

But who knows -- maybe I'm just being cynical or obtuse and the producers of all these effects-extravaganzas really did put feeling into each track.

all last sasha's releases seem to me like building an airdrawndagger 2

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Exactly. So many tracks seem like they were made by people who were producing for the sake of producing, not by someone who really wanted to transform feeling into sound or sound into feeling. It seems like lots of tracks aren't "expressions" of anything, but just the end result of semi-randomly filling in blank space in a sequencer until something "release-worthy" happens to come together. For so many electronic musicians the "electronic" part seems to be overshadowing the "musician" part... But who knows -- maybe I'm just being cynical or obtuse and the producers of all these effects-extravaganzas really did put feeling into each track.

Yes i totally agree with you. I don't think its just you, i think that many people feel like that when they listen to such heavy-in-effects-without-being-music music (the early prog-house and trance tracks we posted in other threads represent the opposite from this, that is, direct, in your face emotion with the effects supporting-rather then creating- the track) and i can't clearly see what kind of feeling they put in such tracks, unless we are talking about reallyyy strange feelings here...

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Originally posted by Palladium all last sasha's releases seem to me like building an airdrawndagger 2

Depends...does Charlie May "help" sasha in these tracks?

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yes i totally agree with you. I don't think its just you, i think that many people feel like that when they listen to such heavy-in-effects-without-being-music music (the early prog-house and trance tracks we posted in other threads represent the opposite from this, that is, direct, in your face emotion with the effects supporting-rather then creating- the track) and i can't clearly see what kind of feeling they put in such tracks, unless we are talking about reallyyy strange feelings here...

I don't understand how any of this can be applied to Coma however. It has an easily discernernable melody or theme. The person that says otherwise hasn't listened to it.

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Originally posted by SMC I don't understand how any of this can be applied to Coma however. It has an easily discernernable melody or theme. The person that says otherwise hasn't listened to it.

Yea, a 3-note generic melody is played at some point, somewhere under all sorts of bleeps, zaps, squeeks, washes, winds ...


great theme indeed full of emotion



p.s i have listened to coma

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yeah and I thought airdrandagger was garbage. way too ambient for my taste. he should be making more songs like Xpander. airdrawndagger was boring as heck. it's like he was trying too hard to impress his audience by making cute little mellow and smooth melodies and beats throughout the whole album. how about he goes back to that vintage 90's prog house via those classic compilations with digweed

So airdrawndagger was "to ambient for your taste" so it was crap...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yea, a 3-note generic melody is played at some point, somewhere under all sorts of bleeps, zaps, squeeks, washes, winds ...

Four notes, actually: Gb, Bb, Eb, F.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yea, a 3-note generic melody is played at some point, somewhere under all sorts of bleeps, zaps, squeeks, washes, winds ... great theme indeed full of emotion p.s i have listened to coma

If you had listened to it you would have noticed the melody consists of 8 notes, not 3.




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It's also funny that you praise the DJ Three Dub which is based pretty much on the elements of the original but OMITS the melody. That completely contradicts your point.

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Originally posted by SMC If you had listened to it you would have noticed the melody consists of 8 notes, not 3.

Seriously? This is an 8-note track!? lol. Well anyway if you mean this generic sequenced arpeggio as a "melody" then what can i say...to each his own i guess...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Seriously? This is an 8-note track!? lol. Well anyway if you mean this generic sequenced arpeggio as a "melody" then what can i say...to each his own i guess...

It's not an arpeggio. And trying to ridicule the track just makes you look like an idiot.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yeah and I thought airdrandagger was garbage. way too ambient for my taste. he should be making more songs like Xpander. airdrawndagger was boring as heck. it's like he was trying too hard to impress his audience by making cute little mellow and smooth melodies and beats throughout the whole album. how about he goes back to that vintage 90's prog house via those classic compilations with digweed

oh my

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Originally posted by SMC It's not an arpeggio. And trying to ridicule the track just makes you look like an idiot.

I told you what my opinion is, these tracks are like big Hollywood movies which are packed with super extra special effects but have no substance or whatsoever. As soon as these big-budget monsters finish you forgot everything about them.


But hey, take it easy mate, its just a track not your relative e?

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yeah and I thought airdrandagger was garbage. way too ambient for my taste. he should be making more songs like Xpander. airdrawndagger was boring as heck. it's like he was trying too hard to impress his audience by making cute little mellow and smooth melodies and beats throughout the whole album. how about he goes back to that vintage 90's prog house via those classic compilations with digweed

lol wtf

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Originally posted by PETRAN I told you what my opinion is, these tracks are like big Hollywood movies which are packed with super extra special effects but have no substance or whatsoever. As soon as these big-budget monsters finish you forgot everything about them. But hey, take it easy mate, its just a track not your relative e?

It bothers me that you're dishonest and a hypocrite.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yeah and I thought airdrandagger was garbage. way too ambient for my taste. he should be making more songs like Xpander. airdrawndagger was boring as heck. it's like he was trying too hard to impress his audience by making cute little mellow and smooth melodies and beats throughout the whole album. how about he goes back to that vintage 90's prog house via those classic compilations with digweed

You've got ADHD, am I correct?

I loved the melodic hook in Coma. Thought it was the main reason why the track had such a nice atmosphere. I do agree though that there was an unneccesary amount of all the glitches and effects.

I don't know what you're all talking about, to me Coma is one of the most atmospheric tracks in a while! When I listen to it my mood changes and I get completely immersed in it. Nothing wrong with using textures and effects to create an atmosphere...

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Originally posted by paulandrews I loved the melodic hook in Coma. Thought it was the main reason why the track had such a nice atmosphere. I do agree though that there was an unneccesary amount of all the glitches and effects.

Yeah, the most recent "Sasha" tracks (well, Charlie May and that other guy whose name I forgot :P) seem to go waaaay overboard with the effects, especially Park It In The Shade. But Coma still has an enjoyable, almost kind of "sad" sounding hook and some solidarity with the melodic prog he used to be known for.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yeah and I thought airdrandagger was garbage. way too ambient for my taste. he should be making more songs like Xpander. airdrawndagger was boring as heck. it's like he was trying too hard to impress his audience by making cute little mellow and smooth melodies and beats throughout the whole album. how about he goes back to that vintage 90's prog house via those classic compilations with digweed

fail

I could almost guess that the hype machine was wrong. And indeed the track is nothing but "meh". Sasha tracks are always over hyped. So no surprise.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I could almost guess that the hype machine was wrong. And indeed the track is nothing but "meh". Sasha tracks are always over hyped. So no surprise.

Eh, I'd say the overwhelming response to many of the latest releases has been just that. "meh". The people who like/hype it seem to be in the minority.

Radio Slave's tracks/remixes REALLY dont go anywhere but they still have a very profound effect on my mindstate/emotional being. I drive down the road listening to them and forget what I'm thinking about half the time.

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Originally posted by Clovis Eh, I'd say the overwhelming response to many of the latest releases has been just that. "meh". The people who like/hype it seem to be in the minority.

are you kidding me? It have been nr 1 on the toplists on more or less all download sites such as Beatport etc.
And it have been hyped to death on all EDM forums.
The thing is that those fans who like it really praise it to death.

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Originally posted by SMC It bothers me that you're dishonest and a hypocrite.

So, i'm dishonest and a hypocrite for not liking the track and stating my reasons for it? Yeah ok all cool...



p.s. I became a huge fan of Jakob! Great music.

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