I wouldn't disrespect him, but I know I'd wag my finger
Posted by Nostalgic on Mar-31-2008 21:14:
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Originally posted by Project-K
Yes and that it's considered liberal is a very, very sad thing.
To you "liberal" probably means "Communism".
Honestly though, CNN trying to cover up for Bush? Never saw this coming.
Posted by DJ Neovig on Mar-31-2008 21:19:
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Originally posted by RJT
Needs moar Bush chops:
Damn dude, Bush is stacked.
Bet he has a banging ass too.
Posted by Clovis on Mar-31-2008 21:23:
Fuck Bush. I can't believe some people here think its not justified. He's spent the last 8 years completely ignoring to serve the American people. That is amazing and wonderful, def tops Colbert's roasting of him at the press dinner.
Posted by shapes on Mar-31-2008 23:53:
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Originally posted by Clovis
Fuck Bush. I can't believe some people here think its not justified. He's spent the last 8 years completely ignoring to serve the American people. That is amazing and wonderful, def tops Colbert's roasting of him at the press dinner.
+1,000,000
Posted by wizniz on Apr-01-2008 00:02:
i would have boo'd...
my thought process would likely have been:
"if i dont boo now, he'll think we like him... *pause* BOOO!!!"
Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Apr-01-2008 00:25:
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Originally posted by Lira
I don't know if my reasons for respecting a president are the same as Lebez's but, these are my arguments:
They aren't exactly, but I can understand those as well. Mine have more to do with the context for three reasons. The first is that Bush was merely acting in accordance with his office. The second is that he was invited to be there and didn't force his presence upon anyone. And the third is that the whole thing was supposed to have been a celebration of opening day of the national past-time, not some political statement made by a few hundred tourists. I mean, the boos started within fifteen seconds of the end of the national anthem, and while the color guard was still on the field.
The President of the United States was INVITED by Major League Baseball to throw out the first pitch to celebrate the opening of a new stadium in DC. Not George W. Bush. The office was invited. Bush is merely the present holder of that office - a contemporary figurehead for the same office that has been invited to throw out the first pitch since FDR. And for the first time ever, that event was met with public disdain.
I would be one of the first to argue that 3/4 of the Bush agenda has been misguided and wrong. And I would give him an earful in the proper context. But I'm able to put that aside given certain circumstances and respect the man chosen by a majority of voters to serve in the highest elected position in the land as he throws out the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game. I may not agree with the policies he pursues, but I can respect that he was put there and that he acts in what he believes is the best interest of the country (however misguided he may be in believing so). To boo him was (no pun intended) bush league.
The very first thing I thought of when I heard the booing was this:
You don't have to agree with the person acting as President of the United States to give the office a little respect. After all, as Lira pointed out, the American people put him there to best serve our own interests. If we feel those interests have not been served, we need to show up and vote. Booing isn't going to deter him. Losing an election will.
Posted by RJT on Apr-01-2008 00:30:
Ah, I see the difference here:
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I can respect that he was put there and that he acts in what he believes is the best interest of the country (however misguided he may be in believing so).
I do not believe the above for even a minute, nor do I feel compelled to respect the office when I feel those serving in it are acting as disgraceful and immorally as those in the Bush administration.
It isn't just the one man - it's all that his administration represents. It has destroyed any measure of respect I'd have given him even as a courtesy.
How does that old chestnut go again? "Respect is a privilege, not a right", or was it that "respect is earned, not given"?
Something like that. Either way, he and the office he represents do not have mine.
Posted by Lira on Apr-01-2008 01:02:
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How will it "not do any good?" If blame for bad outcomes can be placed on people who represent their constituency, that will lessen their chances of being re-elected (this is irrelevant in the specific case of Bush because of presidential term limits, but it is relevant when applied to the Republican party as a whole, which in many cases has stood by some of Bush's worst policy decisions).
Isn't McCain himself claiming that he's not like Bush?
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think that booing gives the impression that people disapprove of the way the representative is conducting himself; and that impression is a correct one. The booing is actually an acknowledgment that he is important in some way; they wouldn't boo some random unheard-of jerk.
Don't crappy artists get booed without being important?
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Any American leaders who do a better job.
And can these leaders deal with other countries while Bush is in office?
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Probably not, although if he cared more about whether people approved of the job he was doing, all the booing might cause him to doubt his course of action, which would be a good thing.
Even in that case, wasn't this criticism a tad bit too late?
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Originally posted by Arbiter
If Bush can't earn the respect of his own people, much less the rest of the world, then perhaps he should end the fa�ade that can represent the people of the United States by tendering his resignation.
Oh, that would be great. As a matter of fact, if it depended on the rest of the world, John Kerry would've been elected in 2004 probably...
But, that was 4 years ago. If Bush stepped down now, and all his supporters miraculously decided to follow him, would it really make any difference? The elections are just around the corner, and the instability caused by this situation would probably do more harm than good now.
So, now that you guys elected him, and failed to impeach him until now, just let him go and forget about his existence. Your economy doesn't need any more drama.
Posted by Lira on Apr-01-2008 01:05:
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Originally posted by RJT
"respect is earned, not given"
Probably this is the reason why my opinion might be dissonant. To me, respect is not earned. Rather, it can be lost.
Posted by winston on Apr-01-2008 01:06:
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I was there. They booed, and it was loud. It was pretty embarrassing to be honest. You don't boo a President, no matter how unpopular he is in my opinion.
How was the game, man? that's tight! I love your sig btw...elephants rock.
Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Apr-01-2008 01:16:
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Originally posted by diggerz
How was the game, man? that's tight! I love your sig btw...elephants rock.
The game was great, but the stadium was amazing! My friends and I are already circling dates on the schedule that we can go back for games. I imagine I'll be pretty familiar with the Nats by the end of the summer.
Posted by Zewad on Apr-01-2008 02:59:
Originally posted by fury
They weren't saying boo, they were saying "booooo-sh! booooo-sh!"
was making the same lame attempt at a simpsons-referring joke couple of pages earlier. unnoticed and thus failing. Posted by idoru on Apr-01-2008 10:12:
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Originally posted by RJT
Ah, I see the difference here:
I do not believe the above for even a minute, nor do I feel compelled to respect the office when I feel those serving in it are acting as disgraceful and immorally as those in the Bush administration.
It isn't just the one man - it's all that his administration represents. It has destroyed any measure of respect I'd have given him even as a courtesy.
How does that old chestnut go again? "Respect is a privilege, not a right", or was it that "respect is earned, not given"?
Something like that. Either way, he and the office he represents do not have mine.
I think you'd be one to appreciate this the most...
Reading through your post I was reminded of an episode of 24 two seasons ago where Aaron is talking to Logan while detained and goes, "You're a traitor to this country and a disgrace to your office, and it's my duty to see that you're brought to justice for what you've done. Is there anything else... Charles!?"
Posted by tubularbills on Apr-01-2008 10:14:
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Originally posted by TranceGiant
was making the same lame attempt at a simpsons-referring joke couple of pages earlier. unnoticed and thus failing.
lol, i was saying booo-urnsPosted by pitchf0rk on Apr-01-2008 11:41:
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Originally posted by RJT
rofl.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Apr-01-2008 11:48:
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Originally posted by TranceGiant
I think you simply got it wrong, the crowd actually cheered "BOO-Hush, BOO-Hush!!"
/Smithers
It's Boo URNS, dumbass.
Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-01-2008 11:56:
fuck off
Posted by RJT on Apr-01-2008 16:05:
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Originally posted by idoru
I think you'd be one to appreciate this the most...
Reading through your post I was reminded of an episode of 24 two seasons ago where Aaron is talking to Logan while detained and goes, "You're a traitor to this country and a disgrace to your office, and it's my duty to see that you're brought to justice for what you've done. Is there anything else... Charles!?"
Lol, damn straight.
I just really don't see the sense in saying that even though you think Bush's policy is shit and that he's likely a pretty bad person, we should show him respect because the word "President" comes before his name.
I don't dispute that to a certain degree when a head of state is elected they're due some measure of respect by virtue of the fact that the people elected him or her (which we didn't as far as Bush is concerned - at least not the first time), but how anyone can look upon this fucks track record and think that a little booing at a baseball game was uncalled for is beyond me.
Posted by shaw on Apr-01-2008 16:25:
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Originally posted by idoru
I think you'd be one to appreciate this the most...
Reading through your post I was reminded of an episode of 24 two seasons ago where Aaron is talking to Logan while detained and goes, "You're a traitor to this country and a disgrace to your office, and it's my duty to see that you're brought to justice for what you've done. Is there anything else... Charles!?"
that's because the writers of that show decided to stop making an entertaining action/drama series & start making a steaming pile of political soapboxing feces. the "similarities" are far from coincidental.
Posted by RJT on Apr-01-2008 16:40:
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Originally posted by inconspicuous
that's because the writers of that show decided to stop making an entertaining action/drama series & start making a steaming pile of political soapboxing feces. the "similarities" are far from coincidental.
The writing cast changed pretty dramatically from seasons 3 to 4, and it was very, very apparent.
