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They've already implemented a similar policy for cigarette advertising. I don't see the difference. Why allow advertisers easy access to mold our children's minds. They can't make critical decisions for themselves. What are we supposed to do, cover their eyes everywhere we go, so they don't see marketing ploys directed to them for unhealthy foods that they associate with great toys? I don't think this applies to freedom of speech. It is more like discretion and our moral responsibility to reduce negative effects as much as possible for these young impressionable minds. Go for it, ban it.
Just my 2 cents.

When i was 5 my mom packed my lunch for me, i didn't have money wasn't much i could get my hands on unless i traded even then no one traded anything good. haha

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Originally posted by Skipper And then at age 5, your kid goes off to school and can eat whatever the hell they get their hands on.

really? so kids have their own money and visit stores and restaurants alone at age 5? Wow talk about liberal parenting!

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The reality is that if your child is out of sight, your control is limited. Kids will find a way to get what they want, particularly when it's something as accessible as junk food.

Obviously you will send a lunch to school with your kid. The rest of the time you have control over his food as well. And if you dont trust your kid with junk food, dont give him an allowance or only allow the spending of the allowance with adult supervision.

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I have a 14 year old brother and have watched my parents do their absolute best, but he's a kid and he wants stuff and will get it when they're not around. Are you saying my parents are poor parents because they can't control his every decision?

14 is a different age from 5. At that point if you dont know better, you wont for a long time (until the first heart attack anyways)

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Originally posted by Skipper The reality of society is that not everyone is perfect parents - and you can't govern parenting.

EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG. You cant govern parenting. Some are good parents and some are bad. BUT ITS NOT UP TO THE GOVERNMENT TO BE EVERYONE'S PARENTS

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(and if you could, somehow you'd manage to object to that as well)

I object to many forms of government intrusiveness as you may already know.

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The argument, "they shouldn't be parents" is not something that has any applicability whatsoever.

Why not? Some people arent fit to be parents. Its an absolute fact.

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Great. They shouldn't be parents. But they're going to be, because that's how it goes and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Exactly my point. People by their very nature are victims of their own circumstance. No amount of government meddling can change this.

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So the government must step in and do some "nannying" as you call it.

So if the government does indeed know better than us, why dont we just hand our kids over to them at birth so they can raise them as they see fit? As a parent i expect to have the ability to parent a child whether others agree with my style or not shouldnt be anyone else's concern unless its criminal. This kind of intrusiveness that we are seeing more and more of is disturbing at best.

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If you want money pumped into phys ed programs - why? Can't parents be trusted to get their kids enough exercise? Why should the government pay for it?

Allowing someone a choice as opposed to taking someone's choice away are two entirely different matters altogether. As a parent, if you object to phys ed you can have your child pulled from it at any time. But taking away liberties means the state decides for you regardless of your opinion. Sadly, lefties hardly ever understand the difference between these two concepts.

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Originally posted by Jungle Fever They've already implemented a similar policy for cigarette advertising. I don't see the difference. Why allow advertisers easy access to mold our children's minds. They can't make critical decisions for themselves. What are we supposed to do, cover their eyes everywhere we go, so they don't see marketing ploys directed to them for unhealthy foods that they associate with great toys? I don't think this applies to freedom of speech. It is more like discretion and our moral responsibility to reduce negative effects as much as possible for these young impressionable minds. Go for it, ban it. Just my 2 cents.

Because cigarettes are only allowed for people over 19. So marketing to kids SHOULD be illegal. However, we have taken it a step further and made it illegal to advertise to ADULTS which is fundamentally wrong. So whats next? Putting all junk food in locked cases and IDing everyone who wishes to buy a slushy? Seriously folks, get a grip!

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If you want money pumped into phys ed programs - why? Can't parents be trusted to get their kids enough exercise? Why should the government pay for it?

I think it would be great to do that. I first moved to ontario from nova Scotia when i was 11 I had played minor soccer for years, the first year i was here tried to sign up for soccer here was gonna cost me well over 500$ to join a 13 and younger league the year before in NS 130$ my parents could not afford this so i didn't play soccer. Money into programs like physed and minor sports leagues does help.

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Originally posted by Skipper So lemme get this straight, you're defending a corporation's RIGHT to advertise its unhealthy products to children of an age that can't make well considered decisions? Seriously? This isn't even a personal freedom we're talking about. It's ADVERTISING.

That's what you got parents for, not the government

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Originally posted by DigiNut Thank you. Everybody is so quick to blame diets, and particularly fast food, for obesity and poor health. You can eat a lot of that garbage with few ill effects if you just get some damn exercise. But that's like, you know, hard 'nshit.

There! Well Said

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Instead of banning things i think the liberals and NDP should come up with a list of allowable things. Im sure the list would be quite brief!

Makes you wonder, kind of reminds me of communist time eh ... lol not allowed to do pretty much anything

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Originally posted by DigiNut Thank you. Everybody is so quick to blame diets, and particularly fast food, for obesity and poor health. You can eat a lot of that garbage with few ill effects if you just get some damn exercise. But that's like, you know, hard 'nshit.

LOL what? Exercise is hardly enough on its own if you eat garbage all the time.

depends on how fast your metabolism is

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Originally posted by Jayx1 really? so kids have their own money and visit stores and restaurants alone at age 5? Wow talk about liberal parenting! )

Most people do not approach policy with the sort of contempt that your concern with this shows.

At what point would you feel that the government is sufficiently right in taking action. It is clear that childrens health is on a consistent and almost chronic digression, something at a federal level must be done to avoid the state that american children are in. The problem is that Mcdonalds is affordable, convieniant and available at every majour block in Canadian inner cities thus the masses will eat it. Sure the food is good, momentarily, but the compounded affect that a couple trips a week has on the state of a childs health is disasterous.

Parents, whether they are good or not take their kids there because kids know McDonalds not too long after they know most things about the world around them. It is clear that someone, and not just parents need to curtail eating at McDonalds.

are you simply arguing for the sake of disagrement with "liberal" policy making or is that you dont see a problem with the health/obesity concerns directly related to the consistent consumption of fast food?

it's the classic laissez-faire, free market position and *in theory* it sounds good to many people. just like socialism *in theory* sounds good to many others. neither is realistic in our world.

I think there is a middle ground to be had where society and the gov't play a positive role.

In the case of McDonalds or Wal-Mart or any other huge corporation...the powers-that-be in those companies don't give one fuck about their customers. there is ZERO motivation to do anything healthy or positive, only to turn a profit by whatever means necessary, while trying to maintain as positive and innocent a public profile as possible. Both have charities, low prices, espouse diversity in the workforce, blah blah...and throw their hands up in innocence whenever they're criticized.

I'm sorry...but expecting that all individuals are fully capable to defend against those calculated and predatorial positions is not realistic and it's not the type of society I'd want to live in.

this talk of nanny state, banana republic, blah blah is just fucking bullshit. the reality is that "the market" isn't going to keep those types of companies in check...a bigger power is needed to do so.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH LOL what? Exercise is hardly enough on its own if you eat garbage all the time.

Yeah, just because one exercises and maintains an ideal weight, doesn't mean all that junk isn't still contributing to atherosclerosis and heart problems, diabetes, and all kinds of other shit.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 No, a good parent has control of their child. When the parent makes a decision, it's final.

LMAO ... this is a great thread, but this (so far) has got to be the absolute stupidest comment i've read all year! did you really mean this? where is this little bubble world you've been couped up in? can i come into the bubble and visit? pls pls? honestly i lol'd

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Originally posted by Skipper lol. I stopped reading right there. The reality is NO parent has 100% control of their child. If you think you do, keep kidding yourself.

ok. so it wasn't just me
i had to stop and quote b4 finishing the thread... it was that funny

what i get from his position is all parents should be as good as he will be, and if they aren't then their faults, like the kid who is the one being advertised to has the fcuking choice of who his parents are

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH LOL what? Exercise is hardly enough on its own if you eat garbage all the time.

funny thing is a bunch of excercise nutz made a documentary/study after that famous documentary was released "super size me" to try and prove the creator of said documentary an idiot. they went to mcdonalds 3 times a day just like he did (essentially did exactly what he did) only excersized frequetly and didn't have any of the fattie results he did. Not that any kid could be or should be expected to do so ... just thought it was a funny concept, always wondered if behind the scenes they weren't sponsored by fast food companies...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Research shows that one in four Canadian children between the ages of four and 17 is obese,

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Toronto's medical officer of health has long recommended a ban and Quebec has banned all advertising aimed at children since 1982, Marchese said

I don't see why the journalist introduces this potentially arguable point and then doesn't say if there's a difference between the Quebec and Ontario obesity rates in the kids he's refering to. so bloody annoying. shotty fcuking journalism is blasphemy imo...

the TAINT!

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Originally posted by soupastah I don't see why the journalist introduces this potentially arguable point and then doesn't say if there's a difference between the Quebec and Ontario obesity rates in the kids he's refering to. so bloody annoying. shotty fcuking journalism is blasphemy imo...

I'm inclined to believe that there's a lot more obese kids in Ontario. Didn't they lower taxes on organic food as well, to make it more affordable to eat healthy?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I'm inclined to believe that there's a lot more obese kids in Ontario. Didn't they lower taxes on organic food as well, to make it more affordable to eat healthy?

average cost of grocery items has increased over the last 2 years and it is said to increase still, steadily. Since the increases are at a Federal level they affect us all.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 according to some bureaucrat's version of what's right and wrong. They do. Its called CAS.

Who do you think manages CAS?

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Originally posted by Skipper Jay, you live in an alternate reality. The reality of society is that not everyone is perfect parents - and you can't govern parenting. (and if you could, somehow you'd manage to object to that as well) The argument, "they shouldn't be parents" is not something that has any applicability whatsoever. Great. They shouldn't be parents. But they're going to be, because that's how it goes and there's nothing anyone can do about it. So the government must step in and do some "nannying" as you call it. If you want money pumped into phys ed programs - why? Can't parents be trusted to get their kids enough exercise? Why should the government pay for it?

I wouldn't go so far as to say the government should keep pumping money into phys ed programs (although it's not a terrible idea), but WHY should the government pay for it?? Obviously it's in the government's best interest to have kids healthier and more physically active...do you realize the enormous amount of money the government spends on palliative care, when that could be drastically reduced by introducing health policy that aims at REDUCING incidence of disease rather than treating it once it is present. The budget is massively focused on TREATING disease and it's only getting worse. ER's are getting more crowded, people don't have access to GP's all over the province and wait times for surgeries can be extremely long. Of course shifting health policy towards introducing more preventative measures through tougher regulations and health standards of our food will take time, but in the long run will only serve to help the economy and ultimately improve the health of our society....and its fat-ass children lol.

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