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Originally posted by Numb Hi, I'm new here. Dare I ask if you could please share your Nord lead 3 patches? Sorry if I missed something, I didn't read the whole thread. Edit: Read the thread. You got some killer sounds to my ears. I've had this thing for years and I must admit I suck at it. Mainly a guitar player. Edit 2: Mopho is hilarious. "Push it, push it"

Virus my website for the NL3 patches .. http://www.alanmarcero.com

Re: Re: Re: Alan's List of Favorite Trance Hardware Synths

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Originally posted by alanzo Virus my website for the NL3 patches .. http://www.alanmarcero.com

Thank you.

I'm bit confused about the pricing. It says "$25.00 is the suggested price, but any amount is valid (0.00 and up)" In the little box it says 2$. I add to cart and it says total price 25$





Edit: Never mind, I get it. Thanks.

I think the Virus/Nord preference is based on the same Pepsi/Coke concept.
Neither is really better, some people just have different taste, or ears, as I think they both sound great, but just prefer the sound of the TI.

My only question, and I've bitched about this before, and am very well aware that it is "bitching".
For the people who have hardware, or the money for a nice piece.
You don't have to be rich, I know that, I just can't dish the money out *yet.

But when I DO.
This is what I see myself doing, that I don't understand current hardware owners DON'T really do, because I don't see the samples.

You love a good synth right?
Why?
The sounds? No other reason.

I could see myself sitting by a Virus/Nord, and literally tweaking myself to heaven. I mean people who own these synths have to know how to make patches, and new sounds, otherwise they just burned 2 or 3 grand.
I took a week to learn how to sample SF2s. I know how to do it, its actually extremely easy.
I see people making Nord or Virus patches, than exchanging the presets for those synths.
But I don't see a lot of people sampling these things.
Is there a reason why?

Theres virtually no places that sell Nord/Virus samples at all. Once in a blue moon on ebay you'll see someone rip 25 sounds off their Nord, and sell it for 10 bucks. Thats cool, but noone really does it.

I see some guy sampling his phantom, and selling a like 60gb pack for maybe $60 but I don't want phantom sounds.
When I get a Nord or Virus FIRST thing I'm doing is sampling, and not pain in the ass wav samples, or presets for other Nord/Virus users, but SOUNDFONTS.
Quality multisamples.
Vipzone seems to be the *ONLY* place ANYWHERE, that sells hardware soundfonts, they are a rip off, like $60 for maybe 30 sounds, 2 bucks a soundfont.

But they DO IT.
And I own a lot of their packs.
Because I LOVE the sounds, their virus pack is obviously my favorite.
One day I will own some hardware, but till that day all I ask is someone, please, (you can even make a few hundred dollars maybe more doing it)
SAMPLES SOME VIRUS/NORD SF2s, you WILL make money, if you're even semi decent people will love the sounds, word gets out, you make a lot of people happy, make some money, and the world is a better place.

PLEASE. The market is DRY with Nord/Virus SF2s. And I know some people might not like VIPZone, but their SF2s are the best available anywhere, and I know they make some good money because they know its a market noone else is doing it.
And they are always releasing more SF2s.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I think the Virus/Nord preference is based on the same Pepsi/Coke concept. Neither is really better, some people just have different taste, or ears, as I think they both sound great, but just prefer the sound of the TI. My only question, and I've bitched about this before, and am very well aware that it is "bitching". For the people who have hardware, or the money for a nice piece. You don't have to be rich, I know that, I just can't dish the money out *yet. But when I DO. This is what I see myself doing, that I don't understand current hardware owners DON'T really do, because I don't see the samples. You love a good synth right? Why? The sounds? No other reason. I could see myself sitting by a Virus/Nord, and literally tweaking myself to heaven. I mean people who own these synths have to know how to make patches, and new sounds, otherwise they just burned 2 or 3 grand. I took a week to learn how to sample SF2s. I know how to do it, its actually extremely easy. I see people making Nord or Virus patches, than exchanging the presets for those synths. But I don't see a lot of people sampling these things. Is there a reason why? Theres virtually no places that sell Nord/Virus samples at all. Once in a blue moon on ebay you'll see someone rip 25 sounds off their Nord, and sell it for 10 bucks. Thats cool, but noone really does it. I see some guy sampling his phantom, and selling a like 60gb pack for maybe $60 but I don't want phantom sounds. When I get a Nord or Virus FIRST thing I'm doing is sampling, and not pain in the ass wav samples, or presets for other Nord/Virus users, but SOUNDFONTS. Quality multisamples. Vipzone seems to be the *ONLY* place ANYWHERE, that sells hardware soundfonts, they are a rip off, like $60 for maybe 30 sounds, 2 bucks a soundfont. But they DO IT. And I own a lot of their packs. Because I LOVE the sounds, their virus pack is obviously my favorite. One day I will own some hardware, but till that day all I ask is someone, please, (you can even make a few hundred dollars maybe more doing it) SAMPLES SOME VIRUS/NORD SF2s, you WILL make money, if you're even semi decent people will love the sounds, word gets out, you make a lot of people happy, make some money, and the world is a better place. PLEASE. The market is DRY with Nord/Virus SF2s. And I know some people might not like VIPZone, but their SF2s are the best available anywhere, and I know they make some good money because they know its a market noone else is doing it. And they are always releasing more SF2s.

I would love to make Nord Lead 3 "Quality multisamples" but the truth is I'm far removed from this kind of music and just now getting back into it. Been mostly making noise from it for industrial/metal/rock music. Then there is the whole legality issue. I know nothing about it.

To add to the SF2 comments, I did at one point also sell sampled SF2s of my patches. I may get back into it solely for the $$, but they were a real pain in the ass to make and use. There's too much variation in samplers and too much of a learning curve to really make SF2s as marketable as ROMplers like Nexus or the Spectrasonics VSTis.

If I were to get back into sampling, I'd like to find a way to make it more usable. NeXus is an excellent example of this ... I contacted Manuel Schleis about it but he was really snobby and douchey about sampling my patches... I don't think he even gave them a listen.

Basically, it would have to be as simple and organized as NeXus where you can browse through and change the patches. I guess you can already kinda do this with HALion or Kontakt. But again, something like that just isn't as marketable as an 'all in one' package like NeXus, the Spectrasonics VSTis, or even SampleMoog : http://www.ikmultimedia.com/samplemoog/

Hey guys!

I Have a JP-8080 and i kinda know what you mean by dated but i dont think i have heard a better machine playing warm lush pads tbh!

Plus the low frequency fundamental is pretty fat. Again im still learning what i can do with it's rec mode features etc.
Assigning things seem abit of a pain coz most times these days u can assign any control data to another parameter.

But hey im not ashamed of it being my first VA synth

I myself am thinking about a used NL3, it simply sounds amazing and on top of it all it's swedish!

Funny though, hard as hell to get your hands on a used NL3 here in sweden, basicly have to buy one second hand from the states wich kind of sucks.

Is the difference between the NL3 and NL2x really that big?
I mean is it a universe between them or just a matter of taste?

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Originally posted by Vizay Is the difference between the NL3 and NL2x really that big? I mean is it a universe between them or just a matter of taste?

The NL3 has more voices, a high resolution screen, awesome FM features, a great interface and stack / chord capabilities. So yes, the difference is big.

how are you finding the blofeld alan?
good for anything?

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Is the difference between the NL3 and NL2x really that big?

Yes the difference is huge. They are basically two different synths built completely differently from the ground up. The nord 3 has more voices, unison, fm etc etc. The pure tone of the nord 1/2/2x sounds far better to my ears than the n3 (I own both).

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Originally posted by EgosXII how are you finding the blofeld alan? good for anything?

I haven't gone too deep into it yet. It *may* be a little early to tell, but I believe it very well may have the fattest OSCs I've heard on a VA. It sounds quite literally identicle to the Prophet. But that was only from a single test of two detuned Saw OSCs. So I may be jumping the gun a bit. I'll post here in a couple months when I've done a full run through and completed patch banks for the PEK, Andromeda, and Blofeld.

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Originally posted by alanzo I haven't gone too deep into it yet. It *may* be a little early to tell, but I believe it very well may have the fattest OSCs I've heard on a VA. It sounds quite literally identicle to the Prophet. But that was only from a single test of two detuned Saw OSCs. So I may be jumping the gun a bit. I'll post here in a couple months when I've done a full run through and completed patch banks for the PEK, Andromeda, and Blofeld.

wow, for the price i really expected a piece of crap

i'm currently deciding on which bit of hardware to save up for...

atm the contestants are blofeld (around 1000AUD), Virus ti Snow (around 2000AUD), or the Virus TI desktop (around 3500aud)...

i'll probably end up getting one from the US, or ebay because the prices here are ridiculous because of our dollar, and the fact that a huge number of electronics companies are bumping up their trading prices just for Australia (jee thanks )

but yeah, opinions?? is the snow worth the price cut, or is it better just saving the extra money for the proper TI??

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Originally posted by EgosXII but yeah, opinions?? is the snow worth the price cut, or is it better just saving the extra money for the proper TI??

On eBay USA, a good deal on the Snow is about $900 USD and a good deal on the Ti desktop is about $1350 USD. So it's up to you. The Ti Desktop can really be thought of as two Snows in one. But both will run the new 3.0 software.

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Originally posted by alanzo On eBay USA, a good deal on the Snow is about $900 USD and a good deal on the Ti desktop is about $1350 USD. So it's up to you. The Ti Desktop can really be thought of as two Snows in one. But both will run the new 3.0 software.

Looking at that price I would say it would probably be better to save up, but then again a Snow is portable and sufficient for a lot of people.

If you're not going to carry it around much then it's probably better to get the TI.

So far the Snow has been perfectly fine for me. Perhaps I should use the word great rather than fine to emphasize it's been better than sufficient. It's been great then, heh.

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Originally posted by alanzo On eBay USA, a good deal on the Snow is about $900 USD and a good deal on the Ti desktop is about $1350 USD. So it's up to you. The Ti Desktop can really be thought of as two Snows in one. But both will run the new 3.0 software.

a lot of the TIs on ebay don't ship O/S as well

but you're right, probably worth saving up...
the other thing is i could get a new snow though, rather than a used TI, and it would still be cheaper.. i'm not TOO fussed about second hand when it comes to something like this, but of course new is always better, and i assume it would come with a warranty if i were to buy it in the country of my residence...

i'll have a ponder... keep my eye out for sales etc.. still months before i'll be getting any anyway

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Originally posted by cryophonik Nice summary, alonzo. I'll throw out some of my thoughts here as well, but I won't bore you with all the synths I've owned since I started buying hardware synths back in the early 80s (yeah, I'm an old fart), just the recent ones. My current hardware lineup consists of: 5) Alesis QS8.2 � 88 weighted keys - I primarily use this as a MIDI controller, but also when I just want to plunk around on a piano - it's actually my primary compositional tool when I first start a song.

I've had one of these too. I think everyone and their mother has had one at some point. The only good thing that came from the Q series was that it put a butt load of cash into Alesis' lap which then financed R/D for the Andromeda.

The QS isn't a real synth, it's a ROMpler, so I didn't include it. :P

Here's a teaser... These are the synths I owned at one point or another or currently own. Quite a few, actually. shit. scary how many. It'd be easier to list which I didn't have. Anyway, review of each will be up shortly:

Alesis Andromeda
Access virus A, B, C, TI
MiniMoog Model D
Korg Triton Studio
Korg Z1
Korg Wavestation
Korg EX8000
Roland XP60 (my first!)
Novation Supernova II
Novation Nova, A-Station, Drumstation, Bass Station
Nord Lead 1, 2, 2x, 3
Oberheim Matrix 1000, Matrix 12
Akai AX-60
Roland Jupiter 8, Jupiter 6, Juno 106, RS09, 3080, XP60, TB303, TR909, TR808, A70, JP8080, MKS-80, MKS-50, V-Synth, 5080, JD-800, AX-7, MC-09, System 100, HS-60, Fantom XR

Yamaha AN1x, AN-200, DX-200, FS1R, Motif Rack, CS-6x
Kawai K5000, XD-5
Cheetah MS6
E-Mu PX-7, Planet Earth Pro module,
Electron Machinedrum
FutureRetro 777, Revolution
Sequential Circuits - Prophet VS
David Smith Instruments - Prophet 08, Mono Evolver Keyboard, Poly Evolver Keyboard


Whew...

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Originally posted by emc^2 Here's a teaser... These are the synths I owned at one point or another or currently own. Quite a few, actually. shit. scary how many. It'd be easier to list which I didn't have. Anyway, review of each will be up shortly: Alesis Andromeda Access virus A, B, C, TI MiniMoog Model D Korg Triton Studio Korg Z1 Korg Wavestation Korg EX8000 Roland XP60 (my first!) Novation Supernova II Novation Nova, A-Station, Drumstation, Bass Station Nord Lead 1, 2, 2x, 3 Oberheim Matrix 1000, Matrix 12 Akai AX-60 Roland Jupiter 8, Jupiter 6, Juno 106, RS09, 3080, XP60, TB303, TR909, TR808, A70, JP8080, MKS-80, MKS-50, V-Synth, 5080, JD-800, AX-7, MC-09, System 100, HS-60, Fantom XR Yamaha AN1x, AN-200, DX-200, FS1R, Motif Rack, CS-6x Kawai K5000, XD-5 Cheetah MS6 E-Mu PX-7, Planet Earth Pro module, Electron Machinedrum FutureRetro 777, Revolution Sequential Circuits - Prophet VS David Smith Instruments - Prophet 08, Mono Evolver Keyboard, Poly Evolver Keyboard Whew...

Out of all of them. What one is your fav......

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my fav synth

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Originally posted by msz my fav synth

Looks even cooler when it blends into the black background.

TI2 better not get special exclusive features or ill be pissed. damn you why would you wish for that, it doesn't affect you

Would some actually mind elaborating on the Snow and the regular TI comparison? My understanding is that they are capable of producing basically the same sounds and you are just trading on-screen controls for physical buttons and knobs...Specifically, why would it be worth paying the additional money for the TI over the Snow?

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Originally posted by bbounce Would some actually mind elaborating on the Snow and the regular TI comparison? My understanding is that they are capable of producing basically the same sounds and you are just trading on-screen controls for physical buttons and knobs...Specifically, why would it be worth paying the additional money for the TI over the Snow?

All TIs but the snow operate on a Dual-DSP architecture. The Snow has only a single DSP, the same as in the Original TI, resulting in 1/2 the processing capacity. Aside from the performance and obvious physical limitations, you are also limited to four separate sounds/tracks in multi-timbral mode versus 16 on the rest of the TI line. Sonically, they are capable of the exact same sounds and run the same operating system.

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