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Kill your god! Kill your... TV!

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Originally posted by Clovis I don't think Carl meant to say that Religion is directly responsible like that, I think he means the over all cultural effect of having such a strong religious lobby and complex is what is to blame.

Exactly. I was trying to convey that message indirectly but failed I guess.

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Originally posted by RJT Regardless of how poor this sentence is grammatically, it definitely speaks to how EDM and the club scene in general works in the U.S. Money talks, bullshit walks. People are so caught up in the superficial that there is absolutely no room for, and not really any thought of, people who just absolutely love electronic music. Does this mean those folks don't exist? Absolutely not. Some of the worlds most passionate electronic musicians and DJ's come from the U.S. - unfortunately the rest of society is so far "up it's own ass" that they could give fuck all about giving anything that isn't top 40 or hip hop a chance in a club, so club owners don't bother pushing it more because they know they'll make money doing what works rather than taking a chance. Just getting people through the door for a night of electronic music is a massive challenge, but getting them to stay there once they've arrived can often times be an even bigger challenge. Great interview.

Great point.


I live in Nashville the last place most people would think there was any type of dance scene.

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I would love for Detroit to be a new city, you know, New Detroit, like in Robocop.

Interesting read though.

Saw him spin here in Sweden about a month ago. Had an awesome time

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This should be true of Western Europe too, since all Western European countries (UK, France, Germany, Holland, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) are capitalist. However, these countries have all nurtured electronic music even when capitalist institutions haven't. I think a Marxist explanation like yours rings true in the US not so much because of the capitalism (although I admit it's more rampant in the US than in Europe), but because the US is very under-populated compared to Europe. There's a lot of distance between population centres and it's harder for underground scenes to spread and become movements. The size and relatively sparse population in the US means that the media is much more influential in the spread and dictation of ideology and cultural products, because only things lik TV can reach a large percentage of the people at once, thus making widespread culture much more controlled.

Western Europe follows a capitalist system, but there system is much more laid back and not nowhere at America's level, and not nearly as effeciency and productivity driven. I mean in western European countries they have things like Free Healthcare and Free College education. They have relaxed things like Tea Time in the middle of work hours. So the capitalist system in Western Europe is nowhere whip and shackles like it is in America, its far more laid back and there is stronger solidarity which reflects onto the scene. And then like I said earlier you have the cultures, they are more tight knit and overlapping in socio economic standings, and they have a common race amongst eachother.

I think you make a good point about how spaced out America is and that the media has more power in their dictation on culture, but Im not sure if that stops underground scenes from happening. I think underground scenes can happen regardless of the power of the government and the media, and probably a driver for the creation of Underground scenes as rebellious movements against the power of government, media, and social norms.

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Originally posted by LionsLair I think you make a good point about how spaced out America is and that the media has more power in their dictation on culture, but Im not sure if that stops underground scenes from happening. I think underground scenes can happen regardless of the power of the government and the media, and probably a driver for the creation of Underground scenes as rebellious movements against the power of government, media, and social norms.

I didn't say they can't happen- I said they find it very hard to spread.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I didn't say they can't happen- I said they find it very hard to spread.

Why would an Underground scene spread? Doesnt that defeat its purpose and creation, because it cant spread?

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Originally posted by LionsLair Why would an Underground scene spread? Doesnt that defeat its purpose and creation, because it cant spread?

Ever heard of the Second Summer of Love?

When an underground scene spreads, it becomes a youth culture movement. Eventually it will be commercialised and become part of the mainstream lexicon. Then its trendiness will expire and it will fall into a middle ground.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Ever heard of the Second Summer of Love? When an underground scene spreads, it becomes a youth culture movement. Eventually it will be commercialised and become part of the mainstream lexicon. Then its trendiness will expire and it will fall into a middle ground.

I don't know, it seems like a pretty risky road.

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Originally posted by ibizzzaaa I don't know, it seems like a pretty risky road.

It's what happened in Europe and every American seems envious.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's what happened in Europe and every American seems envious.

<------- Not envious.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's what happened in Europe and every American seems envious.

Exactly. Underground scenes like dubstep and grime are still seeping into the mainstream to some extent. Wiley's at #4 on the Beeb charts right now. This can happen in Europe because we're more socialized, and our population density allows people to get together and do their thing without corporations getting involved.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Ever heard of the Second Summer of Love? When an underground scene spreads, it becomes a youth culture movement. Eventually it will be commercialised and become part of the mainstream lexicon. Then its trendiness will expire and it will fall into a middle ground.

Not in America. Only a select few scenes are commercialized that start in the Underground, mostly Rock or Hip Hop scenes. Like in the past few years the San Francisco hyphy, the ATL crunk, and the South's (St. Louis) chopped and screwed scene.

House and Techno are still very much underground uncommercialized in America. Los Angeles being a huge metropolitan area only has one semi-mainstream EDM music station, which also plays other genres like Jazz and Funk and has EDM slots, its called KCRW 89.9, most of my friends dont know much about it, personally I dont listen to it. On the all in one music playing stations, Top charts hardly ever have EDM music in them. EDM music makes a bigger splash in small segments of TV shows like 24 and CSI.

The EDM scene is basically the clubs, coachella and electric daisy carnival type open air events, or indoor massives, and huge new years events. Its not the European scene, but its healthy scene, we get some of the best DJ's in the world coming through from every major Techno and House DJ from Satoshi, Howells, Tenaglia, you can name to the bigger DJ's Sasha,Digweed,PvD,Armin,Ferry, Tiesto's for 2-3 day stints at one club or Arena, he'll be here June 4th,5th, and 6th. We've also been getting every major minimal techno DJ you can name for the past year. Events are spread between 8-10 different clubs every week in just the LA area, and then there is OC, San Diego, San Francisco, so we have a thriving EDM scene even though we have very little mainstream media attention, the appetite is definately there and growing. But for now you kinda have to be into the music, know someone in the scene, or look for it to get into it. I started going to EDM clubs by myself when I first got into EDM for example, found them through TranceAddict 7-8 years ago.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Not in America.

Yes, because very few of them spread out. As I said.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, because very few of them spread out. As I said.

Yah basically Derrick May, Jeff Mills, Carl Craig : Detroit Techno and Frankie Knuckles, Dj Sneak : Chicago House House, and to an extent New York House.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Not in America. Only a select few scenes are commercialized that start in the Underground, mostly Rock or Hip Hop scenes. Like in the past few years the San Francisco hyphy, the ATL crunk, and the South's (St. Louis) chopped and screwed scene. House and Techno are still very much underground uncommercialized in America. Los Angeles being a huge metropolitan area only has one semi-mainstream EDM music station, which also plays other genres like Jazz and Funk and has EDM slots, its called KCRW 89.9, most of my friends dont know much about it, personally I dont listen to it. On the all in one music playing stations, Top charts hardly ever have EDM music in them. EDM music makes a bigger splash in small segments of TV shows like 24 and CSI. The EDM scene is basically the clubs, coachella and electric daisy carnival type open air events, or indoor massives, and huge new years events. Its not the European scene, but its healthy scene, we get some of the best DJ's in the world coming through from every major Techno and House DJ from Satoshi, Howells, Tenaglia, you can name to the bigger DJ's Sasha,Digweed,PvD,Armin,Ferry, Tiesto's for 2-3 day stints at one club or Arena, he'll be here June 4th,5th, and 6th. We've also been getting every major minimal techno DJ you can name for the past year. Events are spread between 8-10 different clubs every week in just the LA area, and then there is OC, San Diego, San Francisco, so we have a thriving EDM scene even though we have very little mainstream media attention, the appetite is definately there and growing. But for now you kinda have to be into the music, know someone in the scene, or look for it to get into it. I started going to EDM clubs by myself when I first got into EDM for example, found them through TranceAddict 7-8 years ago.

Eeesh, you've clearly never partied in europe or seen what goes on over there on a weekly basis.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Yah basically Derrick May, Jeff Mills, Carl Craig : Detroit Techno and Frankie Knuckles, Dj Sneak : Chicago House House, and to an extent New York House.

Those spread out because Europeans visited those places, or the originators visited Europe.

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Originally posted by LionsLair Yah basically Derrick May, Jeff Mills, Carl Craig : Detroit Techno and Frankie Knuckles, Dj Sneak : Chicago House House, and to an extent New York House.

You can't name many genres like that from Europe, can you? The closest you get is Swedish House or Italo House- scenes the size of countries.

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