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Originally posted by The17sss again, another personal attack. I'm wayyyyy off base on that comment you quoted. If you believe the print media and the pundits on TV are honest and trustworthy, god help you.

How was it you could figure that out from my posts again?

I just think you're a complete fucking idiot - the kind of nutter who buys into as many 9/11 and JFK assassination conspiracy theories as he can.

And the way I've deciphered all of this about you? You deny the existence of excessive global warming caused directly by man.

I am not all that smart an individual - not even close, and further, I'm not interested in tracking down dozens of non-wiki sources to battle here with you, so I'll point you to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient..._climate_change

Feel free to check the citations yourself if you doubt the validity of anything on that list.

Your denying some of the best empirical data that exists gives me plenty of reason to think you're both an idiot, and a pussy, so consider this entire post one long winded, poorly referenced, personal attack.

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Originally posted by The17sss Clovis, Clovis, Clovis... do you see what you are saying? You are basically saying that I can't possibly be intelligent about the issue unless I believe your side of things. Thank you for proving my point. I'm telling you that I have the opinions/beliefs I do BECAUSE I've read and studied both sides. You are being pushed in the direction you are because of political bullshit, and the super slanted agenda driven liberal media... so that is what you are reading and researching. I don't blindly believe what people tell me to believe, I look at both sides, then come up with a reasonable idea. After you read the book I suggested, and get at least an idea about the side you aren't even willing to listen to, then you can comment on who is ignorant. Until then, take it easy with the personal attacks man... I never tried to make this personal on anyone. Jesus

Here are the sides, pay attention because this is what is actually happening in real life right now:


A. Reality. What exists concretely in the world. Knowledge and factual information collected over time by individuals highly specialized and knowledgable in their fields. Widely held consensus. General fact.


B. The following statements by you:

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So what if we have doubled the amount of carbon dioxide we've put into the air in 25 years? it used to be 16 out of every 100,000 molecules in the air were CO2, and now it's 32 out of every 100,000... if you look at the context of that, you'll see it makes no difference.

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I'm not saying pollution doesn't exist, I'm saying it's not the fucking dire emergency that people make it out to be.

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but the fact is that for at least 15 or 20 years, oil is the engine that drives the economy, and there is nothing even remotely close to replacing it.

Which are vague, nonsensical, and largely factually wrong.

This is not a debate of viewpoints. The only person here with a "viewpoint" is you, I am attempting to explain to you what is actually the case in real life, on this planet.


On this planet, the CO2 we are extracting from its underground depths and pumping into the atosphere at (currently) 28 billion tons per year, has a profound effect on many other things than just climate.

Pollution on earth is very much real, and very much devastating, had you actually read that book I recommended, you would understand this, and everything I'm about to briefly explain.

For the next 15 to 20 years, oil probably will continue to run the world, especially with folks like you so adamant anout keeping the pumps flowing and refusing anything else, and we probably will double, triple, quadruple our emissions and carbon output. More reefs in the ocean will die, destroying entire eco-systems because of the rate at which the ocean is having to absorb carbon from the atmosphere. Billions more tons of plastic, trash, and runoff will invariably make their way to the sea. Landfills in major cities will continue to expand. Stockpiles of tires will reach mind boggling sizes. Thousands, millions of acres of rainforest, which could offer the best buffer against rising CO2 levels, will continue to be decimated. The list goes on of problems with the earth's health. Once again, these are all actually HAPPENING. You cannot argue against these if you believe in common sense and reality.

In essense, you can choose A squad or B squad. By acknowledging A squad, you can start helping find solutions, and stop cock blocking people who are spending their lives trying to tackle these complex and important problems. By staying on B squad, you are aiding and abetting everything I just wrote about in the above paragraph. Take your pick.

pkcRAISTLIN- shut the fuck up. In the context of the american media, the world "liberal" has a meaning different than whatever you look up in the dictionary. What the hell you do know? Unreal.

For the other guy... Wikipidia is the end all be all of fact? Oh shit... ok. I can provide plenty of examples of FACTUAL information that shoot plenty of holes in the THEORY you are buying into. You're looking at trees, not the forest man. The earth warms up, it cools... ocean temps go through cycles, etc. There was a global cooling scare in the 1970's, and through the natural up and down cycle, it changes. Check out these links and read the recent articles. Earth actually in a cooling cycle since 2003... probably headed for 10 years of cooling (information from NASA, not from me. But if it's not being fed to you by the New York Times or NBC, you probably won't put any credence into it.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/258152.php

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=88520025

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion....html?id=332289

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aU.evtnk6DPo

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Originally posted by The17sss pkcRAISTLIN- shut the fuck up. In the context of the american media, the world "liberal" has a meaning different than whatever you look up in the dictionary.

oh, so its ok that ignorant yanks like yourself continue to twist the real, accepted meanings that were derived well before the democratic or republican parties?

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Originally posted by The17sss What the hell you do know?

in terms of political theory? more than you will ever hope to achieve.

I read your post again... dude I'm not denying that pollution is happening. I'm saying that it's not do or die time for us, and there's nothing wrong with pumping out that oil while we continue to search other sources. We produce. According to the US Dept. of Energy, US oil production has fallen 40% since 1985 while consumption's grown more than 30%. In real barrels, US oil production is now below five million barrels a day. It was approximately nine million barrels a day in 1985. So our production has been cut in half in 20 years.

I'm all about innovation man, and all for the private sector doing what they do best in creating better and more evolved standards of living however necessary. But as a capitalist economy needs growth, we can't just bleed dry the production of oil now when we need it. we need more supply that we have, so let's get it

pkcRAISTLIN
I'm not twisting anything, asshole. Can you read? I'm talking about the word in the context of what I'm referring to. I'm not changing meanings... and am I supposed to be offended by being called a Yank? lol. Know your place, Australian.

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Originally posted by The17sss I'm all about innovation man, and all for the private sector doing what they do best in creating better and more evolved standards of living however necessary. But as a capitalist economy needs growth, we can't just bleed dry the production of oil now when we need it. we need more supply that we have, so let's get it

You're still on B squad if you think that.


If you are not currently concerned by what is happening to the earth right now in the ecological and natural sense because of human impact, you should read more.

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Originally posted by The17sss pkcRAISTLIN I'm not twisting anything, asshole. Can you read? I'm talking about the word in the context of what I'm referring to. I'm not changing meanings... and am I supposed to be offended by being called a Yank? lol. Know your place, Australian.

well, actually the gist of my main complaint was that anyone that bitches about the "liberal" bias of corporate entities is a fucking halfwit that knows nothing about liberal democracy and capitalism.

Clovis

I'm slightly concerned about the human impact... but not to where it's impacting my life in any way or causing me to loose sleep, and I don't think I should feel guilty about that. I have bigger fish to fry in regular day to day life. I'm telling you man, I read a lot.... Maybe it is because of what I read vs. what you read that puts our level of concern in different places. I totally understand what you are saying, and I'm not a hater for those who want to change things for the better... There are things on both sides of this argument that could be done now to help make things better, but aren't, and that's what drives me crazy.

For the Aussie... I understand how a democracy works. I'm done with you

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Originally posted by The17sss Clovis I'm slightly concerned about the human impact... but not to where it's impacting my life in any way or causing me to loose sleep, and I don't think I should feel guilty about that. I have bigger fish to fry in regular day to day life. I'm telling you man, I read a lot.... Maybe it is because of what I read vs. what you read that puts our level of concern in different places. I totally understand what you are saying, and I'm not a hater for those who want to change things for the better... There are things on both sides of this argument that could be done now to help make things better, but aren't, and that's what drives me crazy. For the Aussie... I understand how a democracy works. I'm done with you

Again, if you are not concerned, you are not aware of the important environmental happenings going on right now. The scientific community is well aware.

Well, that's still an opinion... I respect your opinion on that point, and I hope you respect me having my own too. We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. At least we finally got to the point of civil discourse right? Can't believe someone told me they wanted me to die of AIDS of cancer earler....lol. going to bed over here man, take it easy

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Originally posted by The17sss and I hope you respect me having my own too.

we dont. we think youre a fucking moron.

GOD!!! GO AWAY YOU IGNORANT FUCKING COCKSUCKER!!!!! what's your fucking problem? At least Clovis showed some maturity. I hate people like you who say shit behind their computer screen that they would never say in real life to someone's face.

global warming my ass

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Originally posted by The17sss GOD!!! GO AWAY YOU IGNORANT FUCKING COCKSUCKER!!!!! what's your fucking problem? At least Clovis showed some maturity. I hate people like you who say shit behind their computer screen that they would never say in real life to someone's face.

trust be mate, if you were spouting the kind of non-sensical shit in here to my face i would be more than happy to tell you youre a fucking moron.

LOL... yes! Dude, i've been getting massacred all night on here for calling bullshit on global warming. Glad to see you here. Brace yourself for the onslaught of personal attacks for not believing what they do!

pkcRAISTLIN

You only say that because you know we'll never meet in person... classic line from a coward.

Denialism: the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one's viewpoint against a scientific consensus or against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They are effective in distracting from actual useful debate using emotionally appealing, but ultimately empty and illogical assertions.

Examples of common topics in which Denialists employ their tactics include: Creationism/Intelligent Design, Global Warming Denialism, Holocaust Denial, HIV/AIDS Denialism, 9/11 conspiracies, tobacco carcinogenecity denialism (the first organized corporate campaign), anti-vaccination/mercury autism denialism and anti-animal testing/animal rights extremist denialism. Denialism spans the ideological spectrum, and is about tactics rather than politics or partisanship.

We believe there are five simple guidelines for identifying denialist arguments. Most denialist arguments will incorporate more than one of the following tactics: Conspiracy, Selectivity, False Experts, Impossible Expectations/Moving Goalposts, and Argument from Metaphor/violations of informal logic.

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Originally posted by The17sss LOL... yes! Dude, i've been getting massacred all night on here for calling bullshit on global warming. Glad to see you here. Brace yourself for the onslaught of personal attacks for not believing what they do!

haha -- i took 5 or 6 weather science classes in college right when this was a hot[pardon the pun] topic. some awesome debates in my classes but not enough to convince me anything than what i already knew.

We're at one of the coldest periods in the worlds history, i know al gore and all those guys use time lines dating back 600,000 years but that is a mere fraction of time to look at.

There have been much hotter times before this and tbh a lot of counter-intuitive arguments point to an ice age nearing(as climate tends to spike right before drastic dips).

whatever its a fun topic to have i can't see how people get so wound up about such things.

Global warming or not the fact remains that we are ruining the planet for the future generation.The earth is simply running out natural resources as simple as clean water and clean air aka the essentials of life.

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Originally posted by The17sss For the other guy... Wikipidia is the end all be all of fact?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I said I didn't care to put any more effort into this than referring you to wiki, hardly that it's the end all, be all of fact.

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Originally posted by The17sss Oh shit... ok. I can provide plenty of examples of FACTUAL information that shoot plenty of holes in the THEORY you are buying into.

I provided you with plenty of facts, with citations. You can choose whether or not you want to look into them. Go on though, call my "wiki-bluff."

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Originally posted by The17sss You're looking at trees, not the forest man. The earth warms up, it cools... ocean temps go through cycles, etc. There was a global cooling scare in the 1970's, and through the natural up and down cycle, it changes. Check out these links and read the recent articles. Earth actually in a cooling cycle since 2003... probably headed for 10 years of cooling (information from NASA, not from me. But if it's not being fed to you by the New York Times or NBC, you probably won't put any credence into it. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/258152.php http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=88520025 http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion....html?id=332289 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aU.evtnk6DPo

What you're talking about has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, and I can acknowledge that what you're talking about does happen without compromising my position that the practices of humans has accelerated the warming of the planet beyond it's natural processes, at least based on the best historical record we have.

What you're doing is buying into the gross oversimplification of the problem that complete fucking morons like you tend to do.

Now then, is anyone else wondering whose alt this is as much as I am?



I've rarely seen such epic failure, even on the internet.

And the fact that your only ally is DJ Anthony Ross doesn't really help your case.

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Originally posted by RJT And the fact that your only ally is DJ Anthony Ross doesn't really help your case.

comin out of left field on page 6! watch out! (now back to LOST)

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 comin out of left field on page 6! watch out! (now back to LOST)

I have a tendency to think people who use arguments like "We're at one of the coldest times in history right now!" are either missing the point or in denial.

Either way, apples, oranges, so let's all go bananas.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 global warming my ass

Oh Jesus.....you didn't just compare what happened over 100million year periods to something which has happened in less than 50 years did you? The fact that it provides no sort of scale whatsoever as well doesn't help you much either.

Global warming is a natural occurrence. Cycles happen, they absolutely do but over a MUCH longer period of time. The way we are impacting the environment is that we're accelerating the natural cycles to unsustainable levels.

Oh my lord, I don't know where to begin....

As for that muppet alt up there, he's a total lost cause.

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Originally posted by Fledz Oh Jesus.....you didn't just compare what happened over 100million year periods to something which has happened in less than 50 years did you? The fact that it provides no sort of scale whatsoever as well doesn't help you much either. Global warming is a natural occurrence. Cycles happen, they absolutely do but over a MUCH longer period of time. The way we are impacting the environment is that we're accelerating the natural cycles to unsustainable levels. Oh my lord, I don't know where to begin.... As for that muppet alt up there, he's a total lost cause.

two calls out to jesus & the lord! hope everything is ok. where you miss the logic is in two ways. 1.) no right minded scientist would refute what i would put up. clearly i'm looking at this on a much larger scale then 50yrs(which if my math is right is 1/90000000000 of the earths history). even though you're just focusing on the industrial revolution, i'm not. many things over the course of the earths history have shaped ecological dispositions.

Scientists think the Triassic period was so hot because of increidbly high levles of volcanic activity. they think two sea ridges broke and thru that, the beginning of the "ring of fire" was made. volcanos release a lot sulfor dioxide into the air which has a similar green house effect to us burning fossil fules but the whole 'sulfur' part makes it highly toxic.

there's no question in my mind we're shapping how the earth is being treated and effected. however to say that we're putting the earth in a state of emergency isn't that extreme. anywyas you guys would have loved the classes i took on these, highly recommend you take one -- some very interesting topics and debates.

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