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Posted by elFreak on May-29-2008 05:52:

no problem, you will find that this job is not only rewarding financially, but also on a personal level. What age group do they want you to teach? If its uni, you better get more than what they are offering. Those jobs are the creme de la creme.


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 05:56:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
no problem, you will find that this job is not only rewarding financially, but also on a personal level. What age group do they want you to teach? If its uni, you better get more than what they are offering. Those jobs are the creme de la creme.


~Middle School to High School, but again, I'm not positive yet.

In truth I'm just happy to hear you talk so excitedly about it - ever since I started working towards this I kind of hesitated really discussing it, but got the interview last week and have kind of been dying to hear anyone who I know talk about their own experiences.

And I've wanted to head pretty much anywhere in Asia for ages - so this is looking pretty sound.

It's also an excuse to buy Serato


Posted by elFreak on May-29-2008 06:08:

Well to be fair my experiences are a little different because i own a piece of the school i am at. I work 10 hours a week teaching, the rest is recruitment and enrollment. I have too much time on my hands lol and my liver is paying the price.

a few more thing.

say bye bye to pot.

middle school and high school is hard. They WILL make fun of you. Have a thick skin and DO NOT acknowledge it.If you ignore it they will tire of it eventually. Some locals are the same. Foreigners make more than natives doing the same and they do not always like that. The people that do like foreigners will rock your world and show you a great time. Asian culture is very big on hospitality.

Get your shots. Japan is clean, but your body has absolutely no immunity to any virus here. You WILL get sick a bit the first while, so minimize it and get all the travelers vaccines. At worst it will serve you well for traveling during your off time. You will do thailand, every foreigner does. Its cheap and you can smoke your fucking face off on some of the sweetest beaches in the world.

The food is good, and you will not have trouble finding western food. It is hilarious to me that much of the mexican food i have had in korea is better than at home.

buy an internet phone, its cheaper than phone cards.

i don't know i'll throw anything else i can think of, i have nothing to do today other than beatport hunting. (more expensive here lol).

There will be culture shock at times, especially in Japan. They can be a little fucking crazy.


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 06:22:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
say bye bye to pot.


I figured that the moment I applied, and it doesn't bother me in the least.

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
There will be culture shock at times, especially in Japan. They can be a little fucking crazy.


Yeah - I think that will be the hardest, but I seem to be best in those situations where I handle them on my own.

In any event, I really appreciate the thoughts - if anything else comes up, please let me know.


Posted by Ian on May-29-2008 16:12:

I'm pretty sure Daniela (LuNaSeA) Is doing this job in italy


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on May-29-2008 16:29:

Yeah, Ive always wanted to do something like this. Not necessarily teach english, but teach something abroad or work abroad. And not really in first world countries - Id rather do something in a more impoverished place. Ive had two problems, though. 1. Finding a program that's legit (ie. I would do Peace Corps if they weren't so shady) and 2. Finding a time in my life to do it that works for me. The fact that I have school loans is going to be a huge burden when I graduate, so I dont know if Im going to be able to do something like this... ever. Which is sad. Basically, I dunno.


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 16:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
Yeah, Ive always wanted to do something like this. Not necessarily teach english, but teach something abroad or work abroad. And not really in first world countries - Id rather do something in a more impoverished place. Ive had two problems, though. 1. Finding a program that's legit (ie. I would do Peace Corps if they weren't so shady) and 2. Finding a time in my life to do it that works for me. The fact that I have school loans is going to be a huge burden when I graduate, so I dont know if Im going to be able to do something like this... ever. Which is sad. Basically, I dunno.


You can't let your loans get in the way of doing the things you want to - I've got loads of them myself, and know other people who've had even more and basically no help from anywhere, but they've made it work.

It might take a lot of effort, so you've got to decide how much you want to do it, but I definitely think that if you're willing to put the effort in, you can find a way to make it work.


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on May-29-2008 16:32:

Yeah, I hope I can.


Posted by d-miurge on May-29-2008 16:33:

Amelia did the same thing in France. You better do it in France!


*shake fist*


Posted by elFreak on May-29-2008 16:35:

if rob cared about his loans he would be in south korea.


Posted by verndogs on May-29-2008 17:08:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
if rob cared about his loans he would be in south korea.


lol so true

A good friend of mine is currently teaching outside of Seoul. He's managed to pay off his CC debt much faster than he expected and still gets to enjoy South Korea.


Posted by CranberryJuice on May-29-2008 17:14:

hey rob

i have a close friend of mine who is currently studying through an exchange program at the university of kyoto
he is flying back tomorrow to france for 2 weeks before to go on school til july or august cant remenber.
from what i know he didnt really manage to fit in the culture shock so he mostly spends his time with the others foreigners on the campus.
He told me so far japan wasnt as expensive as he thought and food is cheap for example.
I do plan to see him tuesday or something like that he is going to tell me about his whole experience i will write about it when i have the info.
working is probably different but the people are totally different culture as well but it must be a great experience
i will keep u updated and i hope my friend review wont be totally negative lol


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 17:15:

Awesome - thanks Marie! Definitely look forward to hearing more about it.


Posted by on May-29-2008 17:17:

Keeping Pace in Japan

If anyone wants to read a pretty scathing review of AEON (i.e., this fellow was not thrilled about his experience), check this out: http://www.keepingpaceinjapan.com/2...eon-part-i.html

A lot of the information is outdated, but I just finished reading through it and while I'm glad I heard the bulk of this fellows concerns, I still think they're pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. He certainly uses some flamboyant language to try and drive home his point, but it just sounds like he's a bit stubborn to me.



I guess you didn't read it that well - it was neither scathing nor a negative review, just an impartial take on what it was like "teaching" at AEON for a year. I never used flamboyant language, but I admit I am stubborn. If you'd have bothered to read it through to the end, you'd have seen I concluded AEON was one of the better English teaching companies in Japan, and foreigners should consider it when searching for jobs. Best of luck.


Posted by CranberryJuice on May-29-2008 17:17:

quite hard to re read me back
no commas nothing

blahhhhh

i hate american computer laptop


Posted by elFreak on May-29-2008 17:21:

quote:
Originally posted by CranberryJuice

i hate american computer laptop


if i ever do a live act im using this name.


Posted by Palladium on May-29-2008 17:23:

inb4yan&lira


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 17:25:

Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by turnerw

I guess you didn't read it that well - it was neither scathing nor a negative review, just an impartial take on what it was like "teaching" at AEON for a year. I never used flamboyant language, but I admit I am stubborn. If you'd have bothered to read it through to the end, you'd have seen I concluded AEON was one of the better English teaching companies in Japan, and foreigners should consider it when searching for jobs. Best of luck.




Really, you registered just for this?

I read it just fine, and my assertion that your concerns were pretty minor (at least as far as I'm concerned) and that a lot of the problems you seemed to have stemmed from your own personality, actions, and the fact that you didn't understand the that these are private schools which function more as businesses than schools, were hardly unwarranted.

You had some pretty rough things to say, and certainly spent more time being critical than not - which, to be honest, is exactly what I wanted to read (I don't need to hear any glowing reviews - I need to know the real problems I would face).

Now my only question is how on earth you managed to make your way here.


Posted by elFreak on May-29-2008 17:27:

quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
lol so true

A good friend of mine is currently teaching outside of Seoul. He's managed to pay off his CC debt much faster than he expected and still gets to enjoy South Korea.


i don't really know why, but you simply make alot more here than anything i've ever seen in japan. We just hired a teacher for 20 hours a week and he makes about 2.7 million won (before taxes). do another 12 hours of privates and you are raking in 4.5 million easy without breaking a sweat.


Posted by XaNaX on May-29-2008 17:27:

Re: Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Now my only question is how on earth you managed to make your way here.


lol the same way all the other alts do I would guess


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 17:47:

Re: Re: Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by XaNaX
lol the same way all the other alts do I would guess


Nah, I don't think so. In truth, I really do appreciate this fellow's blog posting because it's one of the only resources I've found that addresses many of the genuine concerns I've had about moving to Japan.

I also just happen to think that it's hardly unbiased, and that many of the larger problems he seemed to have with the program, while legitimate, could be avoided. He describes himself as stubborn, and it just seemed as though he butt-heads with corporate life - unfortunately that's something that is probably very similar across borders.

I just think it's hilarious when anyone accuses me of "not bothering to read it to the end" - just because you spend 5 pages panning something but in the end say "In truth, AEON isn't that bad", doesn't mean an individual wasn't overly critical or impartial. Everyone has a bias, and how anyone could read his "experience report" and say "Wow, that was fair and balanced" is beyond me - it's analogous to Fox News being fair and balanced.


Posted by verndogs on May-29-2008 17:52:

Re: Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Now my only question is how on earth you managed to make your way here.


Probably because his site uses an internal applications that tracks where his visitors are coming from. In this case, you linked the site in one of the posts.


Just my guess


Posted by RJT on May-29-2008 17:53:

Re: Re: Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
Probably because his site uses an internal applications that tracks where his visitors are coming from. In this case, you linked the site in one of the posts.


Just my guess


I figured as much, but really haven't a clue as to how the internets actually work so I didn't want to guess as I figured there was at least a 50% I make an arse of myself.


Posted by gehzumteufel on May-29-2008 18:00:

Re: Re: Re: Keeping Pace in Japan

quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
Probably because his site uses an internal applications that tracks where his visitors are coming from. In this case, you linked the site in one of the posts.


Just my guess

Most hosting companies use CPanel. This has it built into it iirc.


Posted by Bulgatti on May-29-2008 18:04:

This helped alot when I taught throughout South America.

Daves ESL Cafe: http://www.eslcafe.com/

Do it. But keep asking lots and lots and lots and lots of questions. Zone in on the fine print. Too many instances I've seen when teachers would be "fired" 2 months before final contract or were told that the rest of their monies would go on their next paycheck. Or as someone already mentioned, many institutes just going straight bankrupt. Not to hinder you or anything, but didn't you say you had a Master's? If I were you, I would shoot for a Uni position.

But Freak is right. Korea is where its at. I just didn't think I could assimilate myself too well in the Eastern culture. Still, it's all an experience of a lifetime.

Regardless, best of luck to you.


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