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The DJX700. Behringer's flagship from their turd sandwich line. Can't be beaten.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN The DJX700. Behringer's flagship from their turd sandwich line. Can't be beaten.

Specs?

In the case of Behringer brand, its a question of quality. Hence the price. Thus I avoid it.

I hear your sarcasm, so I'd like to clarify - I stated before, that when discussing electronics, its good to talk about the specs ... for obvious reasons.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Specs?

long, cylindrical, brown, sticky.

Are DJMs really made in Japan? I would expect them to be designed in Japan and manufactured elsewhere, most likely Malaysia. I know my CDJ-800mk2's are made there.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN long, cylindrical, brown, sticky.

You win.

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Originally posted by RJT I don't see how it was any more tactless than 90% of what other folks post here

I think pretty much everyone will agree that for the "DJ Booth", IMO one of the last refuges on this board of good quality conversation, it was tactless, so don't kid yourself.


Alright, bed time.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman IMO one of the last refuges on this board of good quality conversation,

If a bunch of kids yelling at each other over what mixer to buy, 600 repeat topics per month, and the odd 8 page post by Nem is "good quality conversation"...well...fuck


And here still no one has refuted the points RJT brought up beyond saying the post was "tactless"

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Originally posted by Clovis I don't think RJT was particularly tactful in his post, especially since I know Woody personally and he's a great guy.

Awwww Clovis said something nice about me... I think I'm gonna cry!! JK!!!

There are other options at the market. If you would like a quality nice sounding mixer and not overpriced like Pioneer try this:





http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=M3K8MesmD9c


cheers

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Originally posted by Clovis And here still no one has refuted the points RJT brought up beyond saying the post was "tactless"

But can't you see that anything beyond "Xones are better" would continue this endless cycle?

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Originally posted by miamitranceman But can't you see that anything beyond "Xones are better" would continue this endless cycle?

No, it wouldn't. You just don't have anything intelligent to say, and that is what perpetuates this cycle week-in, and week-out in this forum - and why it is one of the most useless subforums on TA.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman But can't you see that anything beyond "Xones are better" would continue this endless cycle?

At this point it is "DJM-800s are better" (with little to no reasons as to why) vs. "Xones are better" (with all the reasons explained and laid out ready to be talked about)

Or are we just supposed to not discuss anything ever?

Having played on both I prefer the Xone by miles... it's soooooo smooth and phat sounding, such a pleasure to mix on.

That having been said, I have to say that the 800 is by no means a bad mixer. Being a feedback looping EFX-1000 whore, I must concede that the send/return scheme on the 800 is a shitload easier to use (although not necessarily better, since the Xone is capable of effecting multiple channels at once, unlike on the 800). But I'd still take a Xone 92 any day of the week.

Wasn't this topic about DJM700 vs the DJM800?

Let's get back on topic.

Honestly this was a pretty fucking vague topic to begin with. Seeing as the original post consisted only of

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GO!!!

and nothing else, what sort of conclusions are we supposed to draw? From what I understand, a DJM700 is just a stripped down version of a DJM800, and it has no advantage over its sibling outside of a cheaper price (if I'm wrong about this, by all means correct me).

It's 1100$


If you had 1100$ to spend on a mixer there are way too many better options.


You can get a Rane MP-2016A for less, and they sound better.

Can we stay on topic please.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Can we stay on topic please.

We are.

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Originally posted by Clovis At this point it is "DJM-800s are better" (with little to no reasons as to why) vs. "Xones are better" (with all the reasons explained and laid out ready to be talked about) Or are we just supposed to not discuss anything ever?

I dunno dude, it seems to me that most of the "reasons" supporting xone mixers were just pioneer bashing, ie: "its over marketed," "all the top trance dj's use it so it must suck," and finally "it has AN ANNOYING FLANGER ZOMG!"

The difference in sound quality isn't that huge, and some people prefer the curves on the 800 over the 92. Plus having the effects on the same box can be convenient, and saves money over buying an additional efx 1000. I think buying a mixer is a very subjective decision, and should be about personal feel more than anything else. Just because such and such famous DJ uses one or the other should be irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Sadface I dunno dude, it seems to me that most of the "reasons" supporting xone mixers were just pioneer bashing, ie: "its over marketed," "all the top trance dj's use it so it must suck," and finally "it has AN ANNOYING FLANGER ZOMG!" The difference in sound quality isn't that huge, and some people prefer the curves on the 800 over the 92. Plus having the effects on the same box can be convenient, and saves money over buying an additional efx 1000. I think buying a mixer is a very subjective decision, and should be about personal feel more than anything else. Just because such and such famous DJ uses one or the other should be irrelevant.

I have nothing against Pioneer stuff. The CDJ line is pretty much unmatched in its category, the EFX-1000 is an amazing piece of kit that is an inseperable part of my sets, and the DJM-800 is indeed a fine mixer (though the DJM-500/600 are very much overrated, imo). Anyone bashing a DJM-800 for the reasons you named is just as ignorant as its overzealous fanboys.

Yes, choosing a mixer is indeed subjective, and many of the finer details in the "Xone vs 800" debate are subjective as well (things such as fader/pot curves, analogue vs digital sound, the necessity of effects, etc). But I think the reason that most people are so feverous about Xones is the fact that if you take the effects away from the 800 then there's really nothing special about it, save for it's good sound.

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Originally posted by Sadface I dunno dude, it seems to me that most of the "reasons" supporting xone mixers were just pioneer bashing, ie: "its over marketed," "all the top trance dj's use it so it must suck," and finally "it has AN ANNOYING FLANGER ZOMG!"

Those reasons are not my issues with it, but the fact that people buy into those as selling points is what puts most of us off. The fact that trance DJs use it is less of a slight than the fact that people use that to argue that it is superior. The fact that it has a flanger doesn't bother me at all, it's the truth that it is mostly over-used, and should NOT be considered a "plus" unless you like cheap effects.

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The difference in sound quality isn't that huge, and some people prefer the curves on the 800 over the 92. Plus having the effects on the same box can be convenient, and saves money over buying an additional efx 1000. I think buying a mixer is a very subjective decision, and should be about personal feel more than anything else. Just because such and such famous DJ uses one or the other should be irrelevant.

Of course its subjective, but we're discussing each person's subjective opinions here not universal fact. RJT may present his posts in ways that lead some to think he believes his opinion to be absolute truth, but its really just his opinion. It remains that people often like one or the other for similar reasons, and it was pointed out that people who are very conscious about really mixing music and fine blending generally do NOT prefer the 800.


You can mix a great set on almost any of these mixers, but when it comes down to preference, the reasons why certain people choose one over the other are very telling and reflective of who they are as DJs.

the topic had nothing to do with a XONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by drEamer the topic had nothing to do with a XONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently us Pio users aren't "very conscious about really mixing music and fine blending."

I guess the rest of us are just twisting knobs and sliding faders.

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Originally posted by Clovis You can mix a great set on almost any of these mixers, but when it comes down to preference, the reasons why certain people choose one over the other are very telling and reflective of who they are as DJs.

It definitely says something about the DJ, but I still think its a pretty large leap to say "if you buy a pioneer mixer, you must be a DJ who loves cheesy music, lame mixing, and bad effects," which was implied earlier in the thread.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Apparently us Pio users aren't "very conscious about really mixing music and fine blending." I guess the rest of us are just twisting knobs and sliding faders.

Thats not at all what I said, but feel free to continue the selective quoting.

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