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Posted by RebeL9 on Jun-17-2008 07:20:

Posted by Luminosity on Jun-17-2008 08:05:

would love to go to a good psy party.. never been there though.

Posted by Domesticated on Jun-17-2008 08:14:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
i can't stand even 5 seconds of it, perceiving it as terrible, kitsch, fucked-up music which sounds like a mixture of mickey mouse, star-trek and music from a jewish wedding on mushrooms and coke

As much as I love psy, I understand that sentiment completely.

I feel the same way about happy hardcore, gabba etc.

Posted by stev�sto on Jun-17-2008 12:22:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
wait so you are telling me that this:

sounds like this:

I think you like talking shit.

both songs sucks. one is goa the other prog trance (a weird slow one), what point are you trying to make?

Posted by Light The Fuse on Jun-17-2008 13:14:

your saying all psy sounds the same because of the basslines and kickdrum...

so by your logic nirvana and the beatles are exaclty the same because they use electric guitars and have male vocalists.

psy for me - i can take a bit in small doses - like the proggier stuff mainly

but yeah noone said it ever died to my knowledge

Posted by Darkarbiter on Jun-17-2008 13:15:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
As for psy-trance, i can moderate some modern progpsy and thats it (and this, with huge efforts of self-control and will!). I used to be a huge goa/psy-trance fan when i was 16 in 1997, listening to Astral Projection, Transwave, Etnica, Total Eclipse,Prana, Juno Reactor, MFG and all that stuff, but now that i'm 27, i can't stand even 5 seconds of it, perceiving it as terrible, kitsch, fucked-up music which sounds like a mixture of mickey mouse, star-trek and music from a jewish wedding on mushrooms and coke...thinking of "what was i thinking" when i was 16!?

I agree most psytrance is like that and that Goa trance is in general better. Do you still like goa trance from 1993-1998ish? I'll also add a +1 to the sentiment that you don't need to be on drugs to enjoy the music but seriously music made for people on acid/weed is 100x better than music made for people on alcohol.

Anyway, so no. You didn't used to listen to psytrance. You used to listen to goa trance. Which is in general probably more acessable.

quote:
Originally posted by stev�sto
If you say otherwise you are just reliving your past trip experiences when you're listening to it sober. and if you want to lie and say you've never tripped before but you enjoy it sober (like goa gil and others) then you're an idiot, and if you actually have never tripped and enjoy it then its just a simple matter of you having shit for brains.

Hi I'm 14 years old and I've never done drugs yet prefer trippey music to teh boring house/other (Although I do enjoy a bit of D'n'b every now and then) . Seriously dude that has to be the stupidest post ever. I'd highly not recomend torrenting the distance to goa compilation to see that goa trance (the stuff you used to listen to) is not the same thing as full on psy (the stuff you think every psytrance track is). Since there seems to be pretty much no decent tracks on youtube (not forgetting the shitty quality that'll make things sound worse anyway) heres some recomended mixes of decent psy for anyone interesting:
http://www.cybernetika.de/mixed_by_cybernetika_-_warpcore_III.mp3 (dark stuff... quite acessable and generally more melodic/funky as well as more atmospheric than the full on stuff)
DJ eccentric-psycho therapy[can't find link] (morning stuff thats uplifting with lots of melody... not trippey at all though and the mix has a great intro/flow)
[Shameless plug] http://files.filefront.com/Welcome+to+Goa+week+Two+Agmp3/;9051290;/fileinfo.html
My most downloaded and also best mix. Goa trance stuff though mind you... certainly a lot more acessable/melodic (and imo better) than psy in general.

Quick we need a post from the definitive source of how good a genre is!!!

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Jun-17-2008 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by stev�sto
what constitutes having an idea about psy? if i say its awesome music and doesnt sound all the same, will i qualify? how many psy artist's tracks do i need on my hd? here's an idea you obviously havent clued in yet ... NOT EVERYONE LIKES PSY TRANCE. To these people, it sounds all the same. get over it. Yea i can listen to 1000 psy tracks and differentiate them and categorize them further into sub genres of psy, but at the end of that long painful day, i will still say it all sounds very similiar, much more so than within other genres. its extremely formulaic, just like trance in general.

i hear the same crap from psy trance enthusiasts, they all say you dont need drugs to enjoy it. this is true, this is the same argument from enthusiasts of many other forms of dance music. but i think some types of dance music relies more heavily on being under the influence than others. it gets to the point where music is made specifically to get a reaction when on a certain drug, like it was scientifically designed for a certain drug. there is a lot of rave tracks that, really, you need to be on mdma to appreciate, simply because of the frequencies and patterns used. and there is music really made specifically to get a reaction when on acid, shrooms, 2ci, or anything else that cracks the pineal gland and bridges subconcious with concious. the furthest end of that spectrum would be the classic "acid" genres, then would come goa, and from there elements of mainstreamishness like prog psy, but its still all acid music and it all sounds very similiar and formulaic when you're not tripping. heres some examples of classic acid, which when i played in a psytrance set in the past would get a bigger reaction and blow your mind way more than psytrance would, and shits all over the other youtube examples in this thread (imo):

and

http://www.discogs.com/release/56145

not classic, but my favorite acid track of all time:

"acid planes" on: http://www.discogs.com/release/751474

when you play this stuff, and then play psytrance, psytrance sounds cheesy and watered down, its like "acid light". if we're gonna trip then let's fucking trip goddamn it, lets not pussy foot around with the hippy guitar plucking or orchestral sounds or whatever else layerings on the real "meat" of a trippy track. its like acid techno artists trying to be artistic and make it a legitamit artform rather than just a scientific meditation tool. but make no mistake, this IS drug music specific to trippy drugs and it does all sound similiar when you've never tripped or you're not tripping. if you say otherwise you are just reliving your past trip experiences when you're listening to it sober. and if you want to lie and say you've never tripped before but you enjoy it sober (like goa gil and others) then you're an idiot, and if you actually have never tripped and enjoy it then its just a simple matter of you having shit for brains.

What a load of absolute crap.

This is basically the same bullshit that a lot of rock fans use to dismiss the whole of EDM, recast to fit your intent of dismissing a single genre within EDM.

Posted by Magadansky on Jun-17-2008 15:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattsanity
I cant find out every single psytrance artist out there. I have listened to the more prominent artists though and based on what I heard they sound the same. thats like saying I cant say all post 2003-trance sounds the same because I dont know every single one of those tom colangelo-like artists that could be anywhere in this world trying to pathetically promote their song in the cd reviews section. w/e fuck this argument

Same shit over and over

quote:
[i]Originally posted by hardcore trancer [/i
He is from Tempa Florida man what else can you expect?

Well I don't know anyone from there so I can tell but idiots are present in all places around the world. Too bad most of them use the Internet as their main playground.

P.S. Listen to the mix of Cybernetika which DarkArbiter posted a link to. That is good psy stuff.

Posted by ponsshin on Jun-17-2008 15:37:

Please, not the whole psytrance shitfest thing again...

Music will defend her own
Let *him* defend alone what's left of it

Posted by Corey on Jun-17-2008 15:52:

Light The Fuse you're stupid.

Posted by RebeL9 on Jun-17-2008 16:24:

quote:
Originally posted by stev�sto
both songs sucks. one is goa the other prog trance (a weird slow one), what point are you trying to make?

I didn't say anything about the quality of the songs dickhead. the guy said that Astral Projection and Vibrasphere sounded the same. And you gotta be a total idiot if you think they sound the same.

Posted by Redd on Jun-17-2008 17:10:

Not that it matters to this discussion but that Vibrasphere track was quite nice. I have to go get me some

Posted by Redd on Jun-17-2008 18:56:

Haha the trolling is strong in this one

Posted by RebeL9 on Jun-17-2008 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattsanity
lol bredda you gotta hol' it down with the attitude. thats exactly what I was talking about with the first song. that was fucking it. that same driving bassline with a cheesy "robotic futuristic" lead synth. man fuck those songs

and magadansky can eat a dick.

yo nigga brotha i see i just bust a cap in ya ass.

Posted by a98 on Jun-17-2008 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
wait so you are telling me that this:
sounds like this:
I think you like talking shit.

wait a minute, didn't you just say that vibrasphere isn't psytrance? and the first clip is goa, which again sounds like more or less every goa track out there. but then again some people say psytrance is goa. but you might wanna actually pick examples among tracks that both are psytrance.

good tracks though (expecially that AP one)

Posted by RebeL9 on Jun-17-2008 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by a98
wait a minute, didn't you just say that vibrasphere isn't psytrance? and the first clip is goa, which again sounds like more or less every goa track out there. but then again some people say psytrance is goa. but you might wanna actually pick examples among tracks that both are psytrance.

good tracks though (expecially that AP one)

yeah Vibrasphere isn't psytrance. But I was refering to his list of psytrance producers. And he included both Vibrasphere and AP and that both sounded the same.

Posted by Subtle on Jun-17-2008 23:36:

I bet your mum thinks all EDM sounds the same.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-18-2008 02:25:

Re: qQ

quote:
Originally posted by Magadansky
P.S. Listen to the mix of Cybernetika which DarkArbiter posted a link to. That is good psy stuff.

Downloading as we speak,althought I tried to look for DJ eccentric - psycho therapy on the web but nothing came up,I would love to hear that one since I dig morning psy alot.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-18-2008 02:28:

Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-18-2008 05:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattsanity
if you're saying I called psytrance garbage music, I didnt but I did imply that anyway by saying all these israeli full-on psytrance songs are fucking one dimnensional and absolutely terrible.

I just dont think it is right to call all the psy trance that comes out of Israel "absolutely terrible" and yes there are some that I cant stand at all myself like the damn guitar riffs in all the songs etc but then there are quailty talents like Nu Recken,Insomnia which I find to be very amazing.Bottom line do your homework before coming here and saying pst trance is dead/garbage etc etc.

quote:
all these edm fans on TA bash electrohouse like its some fun thing to do because its a popular scapegoat to take out their frustrations on but I guarantee none of these anti-electrohouse haters ever listened to that in a club.

I never liked electro house,from the begining,I dont wanna get into details with you here but it is just simply NOT my cup of tea and I just cant stand a second of it.Yes I have heard it in a club many times,since I work at a after hours club that plays 99% electro house and for it is pure torture.

quote:
electrohouse is heavy in a club and if you're on drugs then who gives a fuck about sasha and digweed or them quality artists. these guys probably listened to a dirty south song on youtube on their computer with shitty speakers and thought it didnt sound preferable to their taste but damn they have no idea.

I dont do drugs and I listen to music for what it is and I dont find anything worthwhile in electrohouse for me at all,no energy nothing.
Your prblem is that you are basing all your opinions on drugs and thats wrong,there are many of us out there who truly enjoy the msuic while being sober.

quote:
I gotta say that samim - heater is an absolutely terrible song but theres plenty of quality electrohouse out there but these guys are hypocrites. I swear these muthafuckas are hypocrities for real. they tell me not to bash psytrance and get on my dick in a negative way when they all probably genralize electrohouse and say its not the cream of the crop, that its the shititest genre they ever heard in their life man fuck these guys for eal. these guys dont have a spic of a clue what they're saying

Everyone has their opinions and reasons but sometimes you just have to be nice and resepect others,specially when you come on a trance based forums and bashing psy trance music.
If you really like to debate,I ll be honest here you arent very good at it since all you do is bash others and calling the rest hypocrites.

Posted by Domesticated on Jun-18-2008 11:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattsanity
if you're saying I called psytrance garbage music, I didnt but I did imply that anyway by saying all these israeli full-on psytrance songs are fucking one dimnensional and absolutely terrible.

all these edm fans on TA bash electrohouse like its some fun thing to do because its a popular scapegoat to take out their frustrations on but I guarantee none of these anti-electrohouse haters ever listened to that in a club. electrohouse is heavy in a club and if you're on drugs then who gives a fuck about sasha and digweed or them quality artists. these guys probably listened to a dirty south song on youtube on their computer with shitty speakers and thought it didnt sound preferable to their taste but damn they have no idea. I gotta say that samim - heater is an absolutely terrible song but theres plenty of quality electrohouse out there but these guys are hypocrites. I swear these muthafuckas are hypocrities for real. they tell me not to bash psytrance and get on my dick in a negative way when they all probably genralize electrohouse and say its not the cream of the crop, that its the shititest genre they ever heard in their life man fuck these guys for eal. these guys dont have a spic of a clue what they're saying

lol.

I live in Melbourne, same place TV Rock, Dirty South and all those other prominent and world-known electro-house producers come from.

For the past 4 years electro-house has been RAGING here.

It's in clubs, on the radio, in movie theatres, in shops...EVERYWHERE.

There have been some halfway decent songs, like Fuzzy Hair's remix of Mousse T - Right About Now, but for the most part, electro-house is complete garbage.

It's ironic, you criticise psy-trance for using "the same bass line" in every track, when electro-house does exactly the same, except with a shitty saw-wave. Electro-house is as formulaic and generic as they come.

Posted by Corey on Jun-18-2008 13:28:

Listen to the new Chi-A.D. album, it's awesome.

Posted by Darkarbiter on Jun-18-2008 13:34:

I'd also like to point out that goa trance isn't really psytrance... and I think progpsy is psytrance (I suppose its kind of like psy-tech... its the other genre but with psy influences and by psy artists) but some people also think that it isn't really psytrance.

So yeh... new example plz?

[edit]
Minimal psy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQYXp-5EIhM
Morning psy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=69fgNJ5hGYM
Dark psy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCnjqAqrSc

Posted by Corey on Jun-18-2008 13:59:

How do you exacly make good difference between those styles ?

Posted by Light The Fuse on Jun-18-2008 15:06:

you are stupid corey

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