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Posted by Ted Promo on Jul-20-2008 21:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Project-K
From my experience, I wouldn't say 'as stable'. I did work in a mac store for several months and in my time there I would see more crashes within a week than I ever have in my life on any XP system - and that wasn't just on the demos. These weren't user-induced crashes, they were just 'crash for no apparent reason' crashes.

And personally, I've never had anything crash on my macbook whatsoever. I've lol'd a few times (especially when there's a firmware update and the little window suggests you get a pen and paper to write all of the instructions down on how to update the firmware on an OS that 'just works'), but I've never had anything crash for no apparent reason.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-20-2008 23:46:

Posted by Project-K on Jul-21-2008 01:32:

We were a pretty tight staff so I knew pretty much everything that got installed on them. Strangely though, some of them never crashed and others often did. I didn't really get the opportunity to investigate but I have a hunch some of the macbook crashes were heat related.

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-21-2008 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Project-K
We were a pretty tight staff so I knew pretty much everything that got installed on them. Strangely though, some of them never crashed and others often did. I didn't really get the opportunity to investigate but I have a hunch some of the macbook crashes were heat related.

That's been a BIG problem for them.

When my Macbook wouldn't start for software reasons, searching through online forums for help showed an absolute bevy of panicked threads relating to failing fans and overheating.

Posted by Project-K on Jul-21-2008 01:36:

Funny story about that (and I'm pretty sure I must've posted it here before); Our cash register at that store was an imac and we sometimes used it to demonstrate certain applications to clients. We had XP running simultaneousely and when the clients weren't looking, we'd hotkey back into XP because our register program - a very basic database sort of app - would constantly crash on the mac OS.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-21-2008 03:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Beat Blog
That's been a BIG problem for them.

When my Macbook wouldn't start for software reasons, searching through online forums for help showed an absolute bevy of panicked threads relating to failing fans and overheating.

Idoru's shuts down because of a faulty temp sensor.

quote:
Originally posted by Project-K
Funny story about that (and I'm pretty sure I must've posted it here before); Our cash register at that store was an imac and we sometimes used it to demonstrate certain applications to clients. We had XP running simultaneousely and when the clients weren't looking, we'd hotkey back into XP because our register program - a very basic database sort of app - would constantly crash on the mac OS.

lol owned.

Posted by iammesol on Jul-21-2008 04:14:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel

If you love mac fine, but don't use the "stability" and "virus" bullshit. One of the key things to Apples appearance to have more stability is they support 1 set of hardware for each machine. There are no changes nor variations that aren't supported natively. So this leads to less support calls for "driver" issues.

Then why the fuck isn't one widespread yet

I'm not being a fanboy. It's just so ignorant to say there is no market share for mac users.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-21-2008 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
Then why the fuck isn't one widespread yet

I'm not being a fanboy. It's just so ignorant to say there is no market share for mac users.

Isn't what widespread?

The PC is quite a venerable and stable machine. If you were to put Apple in the same position as Microsoft, I am 100% positive they would go through A LOT of the same problems that Microsoft does with Windows. Apple doesn't have to deal with THOUSANDS of different configurations, 5 different bios manufacturers, 3 different I/O manufacturers, 10 different chipsets active at the same moment, 20 different video card manufacturers (although there are only 2 actual chip providers), 2 different CPUs, 100 different cd-type media drive manufacturers, 100 different LCD brands, etc. So much of this "Mac is more stable than PC" bullshit is propagated by the fanbois and Apple themselves.

Please give me 1 REAL reason to get a Mac over a PC. I want an MBP as I have told you, but lately I have seen some of the new laptops and I am being steered away yet again. I still can't justify the $1000 premium to get it. I will take a shorter shittyer warranty, as I am a nerd anyways, to save $1000. That could buy me a lot of other stuff over and above the MBP.

Posted by junkproject on Jul-21-2008 04:43:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Isn't what widespread?

The PC is quite a venerable and stable machine. If you were to put Apple in the same position as Microsoft, I am 100% positive they would go through A LOT of the same problems that Microsoft does with Windows. Apple doesn't have to deal with THOUSANDS of different configurations, 5 different bios manufacturers, 3 different I/O manufacturers, 10 different chipsets active at the same moment, 20 different video card manufacturers (although there are only 2 actual chip providers), 2 different CPUs, 100 different cd-type media drive manufacturers, 100 different LCD brands, etc. So much of this "Mac is more stable than PC" bullshit is propagated by the fanbois and Apple themselves.

Please give me 1 REAL reason to get a Mac over a PC. I want an MBP as I have told you, but lately I have seen some of the new laptops and I am being steered away yet again. I still can't justify the $1000 premium to get it. I will take a shorter shittyer warranty, as I am a nerd anyways, to save $1000. That could buy me a lot of other stuff over and above the MBP.
You want one because all the pro dj use apple ! Apple has its fair share of problem's. I had to do a mod to my laptop to fix it from a faulty chip(known problem with the video chip solider points on the system board. The laptop was died for a year untill I found an online guide to fix it and apple will not extand the warrenty for this known problem.

Posted by iammesol on Jul-21-2008 04:47:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Isn't what widespread?

a mac virus that would destroy us all.

And these reasons (aside from OSX being the most pain-free and stable system that EYE have used in my life) are the ones that got me to switch.

Hardware is fantastic. (illuminated keyboard/built in camera/touch-pad advances)
Apple geniuses provide the best service I've ever had in my life.

Posted by Ted Promo on Jul-21-2008 04:49:

I use Apple simply because they come bundled with really nice audio cards inside and there's really excellent audio software which runs exceptionally on Apple computers. That's not to say they don't run competently on pc's, but I wanted and could afford the industry-standard-esque macbook and I went for it.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-21-2008 04:54:

quote:
Originally posted by junkproject
You want one because all the pro dj use apple ! Apple has its fair share of problem's. I had to do a mod to my laptop to fix it from a faulty chip(known problem with the video chip solider points on the system board. The laptop was died for a year untill I found an online guide to fix it and apple will not extand the warrenty for this known problem.

LOL Yeah that is it. Jake has a similar problem with his Mac. A faulty temp sensor that forces shutdown and no control over it.

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
a mac virus that would destroy us all.

As I mentioned previously, it is due to market share. A virus is written for maximum damage. How much damage will you do if you make a MacOS virus over a Windows NT based (this is Windows NT, 2k, XP and Vista) virus? Very little. The number of machines out there is still quite small. The sales numbers are quite misleading, as a majority of new Apple purchases are people that are current owners of Apple products. Considering all this, why would you, as a virus writer trying to cause as much damage as possible, write a virus for a Mac? You wouldn't. You want to cause billions worth of work? Write worms like Sasser, not one that doubles in size ever few months because there are 5 people in the world running that system.

Posted by Frenchie on Jul-21-2008 04:57:

Macs? Fuck that noise.

Posted by prolikewhoa on Jul-21-2008 04:59:

i have a macbook, in fact it is the same one you are looking at. i really love it. i got it with tiger, and i have no problems doing everything i need to do with it. i'll upgrade to leopard when i get an external hard-drive so i can use time machine, oooh!!! but yeah great machine, never had any problems with it and i've had it over 2 years! thumbs up

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-21-2008 05:00:

SHE LIVES!!!!!!!

Posted by iammesol on Jul-21-2008 05:02:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
As I mentioned previously, it is due to market share. A virus is written for maximum damage. How much damage will you do if you make a MacOS virus over a Windows NT based (this is Windows NT, 2k, XP and Vista) virus? Very little. The number of machines out there is still quite small. The sales numbers are quite misleading, as a majority of new Apple purchases are people that are current owners of Apple products. Considering all this, why would you, as a virus writer trying to cause as much damage as possible, write a virus for a Mac? You wouldn't. You want to cause billions worth of work? Write worms like Sasser, not one that doubles in size ever few months because there are 5 people in the world running that system.

Dude, I'm done with this. You're totally ignoring what I'm saying that there is more than what you think using Apple shit. Get off your anti-fanboy train and realize that it's a serious point.

Posted by Ted Promo on Jul-21-2008 05:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Fibonacci
Edit: Best Buy sells Ubuntu for $20... which also you can fine-tune to resemble OS X.

why in the tittiedbluefuck would you pay for Ubuntu when you can go to their website and download it for free?

Posted by Frenchie on Jul-21-2008 05:06:

uhh oh! Apple beef.

Posted by gehzumteufel on Jul-21-2008 05:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Promo

why in the tittiedbluefuck would you pay for Ubuntu when you can go to their website and download it for free?

People are stupid. Just like why would you ever pay $600 for a 2gb ram upgrade from apple when you can get one for $100 off the internet.

Posted by Palladium on Jul-21-2008 05:07:

i'm gonna give it a try to a macbook as soon as i get to Mexico

mac first timer

Posted by In The Lobby on Jul-21-2008 05:09:

guys i made my decision. im taking the macbook.
thanks for all your advice.

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-21-2008 05:15:

The other thing I hate about apple is that they do ordinary things that other platforms have been doing for years and market them as revolutionary.

i.e Time Machine being a simple "synchronise" function like Microsoft's "briefcase" circa 1995, podcasts simply being serial mp3s that download using a scheduler, or iPods, when mp3 players had already been around for years.

Posted by iammesol on Jul-21-2008 05:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Promo

why in the tittiedbluefuck would you pay for Ubuntu when you can go to their website and download it for free?

Posted by Cloudburst on Jul-21-2008 12:00:

quote:
Originally posted by In The Lobby
guys i made my decision. im taking the macbook.
thanks for all your advice.

did you read my post about the possible (rumour, but pretty solid) NEW MACBOOK to be revealed within a few weeks?

Posted by ZeJayMan on Jul-21-2008 12:56:

I dont know all that much about the Macbook's but i know I prefer the IMacs to a standard PC of equivalent price.

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