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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 how many credible people need to come forward before people start really thinking about this? That video on the Disclosure Project has former military, civilian and CIA contractors all confirming seeing UFOs, by sight or by radar and then basically being told to shut up about it.

It is very likely they saw UFO's...which means they have no idea what they saw. You know...Unidentified flying objects. Just because they saw 'something' does not mean they saw alien life in action.


I have long believed in life on other planets, but it is absolutely useless for me to be bothered to research and get worked up about it. If there are little green men out there, and the gov is covering it up, how does that change my daily life? It does not. I will worry about them when I am shown proof. Until then, you are wasting effort.

Fine some well respected guys said something, but until we see proof, or are shown the impact they could have on us, the average person will not care. It just is not worth their time.

Man this thread filled up with some garbage.

Smitty, by all means, we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe, but please stop using the "appeal to authority" argument to try to argue your case. Forget what anyone says or testifies, swears on their mother's graves and whatever. instead, take the objective approach: where is the evidence? I don't mean videos suggesting one thing or the other, that's not evidence - that's speculation based on inconclusive records. I'd consider a video evidence if it showed beyond any shadow of a doubt what it claims to show. All videos on the subject either don't do this, or are fake. If you have one, I'd like to see it.

DigiNut hit it bang on with his question as to why super-intelligent aliens are using dancing lights to communicate with us, instead of any other more blunt (and thus more likely to be successful) method. No doubt they can at least pick up a few words of English, right? If they've been observing humanity since the sixties, they must have figured out that we don't communicate in the form of crop circles. It doesn't make sense, which is what is making me sceptical about the theory. Simplest explanation is probably most correct one.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer They are not being taken seriously because nobody is covering their stories and the newsnetworks have better things to cover like the war on terror etc.The people who are part of this whole coverup have done such an amazing job convincing the people that all this is fake and we are alone and your government has nothing to lie about. I think one of the reason why we are not seeing any big disclosure by all these people who are willing to come forward and testify on extraterrestrilas and the technology that comes with them is because it would be too much to handle by most and I doubt the multi billion dollar corporations would want that to happen either,since many of these technologies would benifit for the environment and a lot cheaper to produce and would be the end of our hunger for oil.

lol this is gold.

Did you just say that a story about how another suicide bombing in Iraq, or how Anna Nicole Smith croaked is more newsworthy than a story proving aliens exist? That would be in the news longer than any other news story to date. Any media outlet would LOVE to be the ones to break it. It would bring them soooooo much money. I bet the CEO of CNN masturbates to fantasies of that happening.

As for the corporations bit, looool, come on for fuck's sake. Any multibillion corporation would KILL to get ahold of alien technology. Why? Because it would give them a GIGANTIC advantage over the competition for decades. Harnessing alien technology for your own good can be worth trillions to a corporation. There's no fucking point at all "covering up" superior technology just to hang on to oil (which is running out anyway). Fuck, any oil tycoon with ANY business sense at all would realize that if he introduced a significantly better alternative to oil, one that would make oil obsolete, and that only he had it, fuck man, he'd abandon oil almost immediately.

You guys make up some craazy shit, lol.

creepos!

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Originally posted by DigiNut

I nominate this for best Digi-rant of the year

And when will you kids learn that youtube videos are as credible as wikipedia...

Lets add some more speculation to the mix - Old astronaut who misses his 15 minutes of fame....


(Peter, Sasha, Sagar, Mikey, etc... all I can think of is "the aliens are coming from out of the sky")

I can confirm aliens do exist. I was abducted 15 years ago and they placed a metal rod in my right arm. I had it removed 3 years ago and had the metal tested. The tests confirmed that the alloy was not from this planet.

The aliens that abducted me were very similar to what has been described by many people. They have larger heads then us and pale grey skin colour. Their eyes are much larger then ours and I have to believe its for greater night vision as the room I was in was very dark and cold. The air felt moist and it was difficult to cath my breath....my chest felt very heavy with each breath I took. Their bodys were very skinny and they seemed to lack any muscle tone.

Before I had the metal rod removed from my arm I would have very vivid dreams about the aliens...I always wondered if they were dreams or not. Since I had the metal rod removed I haven't had a single dream.

My psychologist has put me under hypnosis and when we talk about what I said under hypnosis I can see that he has definately been disturbed by what I said.

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Originally posted by Intangible I nominate this for best Digi-rant of the year And when will you kids learn that youtube videos are as credible as wikipedia... Lets add some more speculation to the mix - Old astronaut who misses his 15 minutes of fame.... (Peter, Sasha, Sagar, Mikey, etc... all I can think of is "the aliens are coming from out of the sky")

Your posts are almost as worthless as barbina's.

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Originally posted by Mammoth Your posts are almost as worthless as barbina's.

lol aww thanks

You folks remind me of the two men telling snake stories. They ran the gamut of tales from the hoop snake to the joint snake. Then one of them asked the other if he�d ever heard of the bull snake. The other fellow replied,�no, but I�ve heard them bellow at night.�

I believe one sure sign there is intelligence in outer space is the fact that they have never tried to contact us.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Smitty, by all means, we're all entitled to believe what we want to believe, but please stop using the "appeal to authority" argument to try to argue your case.

This is what annoyed me the most while skimming through the posts, just b/c it came up in virtually every post that was made arguing the existence of aliens. I think that all of this stuff is interesting, but I'm still hesitant to believe. I'm more of a "believe it when I see it...with my own two eyes" kind of person. I don't need someone telling me that I should be believing something b/c people of "authority" have argued it.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I can confirm aliens do exist. I was abducted 15 years ago and they placed a metal rod in my right arm. I had it removed 3 years ago and had the metal tested. The tests confirmed that the alloy was not from this planet. The aliens that abducted me were very similar to what has been described by many people. They have larger heads then us and pale grey skin colour. Their eyes are much larger then ours and I have to believe its for greater night vision as the room I was in was very dark and cold. The air felt moist and it was difficult to cath my breath....my chest felt very heavy with each breath I took. Their bodys were very skinny and they seemed to lack any muscle tone. Before I had the metal rod removed from my arm I would have very vivid dreams about the aliens...I always wondered if they were dreams or not. Since I had the metal rod removed I haven't had a single dream. My psychologist has put me under hypnosis and when we talk about what I said under hypnosis I can see that he has definately been disturbed by what I said.

did they experiment that rod on you in any other ways? a friend of a friend was abducted by similar creatures and had a rod ... well.. violate him

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Originally posted by jchung52 did they experiment that rod on you in any other ways? a friend of a friend was abducted by similar creatures and had a rod ... well.. violate him

There was definate violations done...I don't even know the full extent of everything that was done. The metal rod in my arm was approximately 8 mm long and was connected to the muscle....the doctors told me there were nerve tissue attached to the rod that isn't normally found in the arm. The doctors believe that the rod serves the same purpose as some of the tagging they do on fish and other animals. It sends information to them about our travelling habits, eating habits and mating habits.

Many people in my support group had similar rods removed from their arms. The doctors still have the rod. They said I could take it home with me but I don't want them knowing where I am anymore.

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Originally posted by love_child

That looks very close to what abducted me except this one seems much taller and the skin colour isn't right. The head is shaped wrong....the head shape didn't narrow as much as that one does...the heads were more shaped like William Shatner's head.

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Originally posted by Orko It is very likely they saw UFO's...which means they have no idea what they saw. You know...Unidentified flying objects. Just because they saw 'something' does not mean they saw alien life in action. I have long believed in life on other planets, but it is absolutely useless for me to be bothered to research and get worked up about it. If there are little green men out there, and the gov is covering it up, how does that change my daily life? It does not. I will worry about them when I am shown proof. Until then, you are wasting effort. Fine some well respected guys said something, but until we see proof, or are shown the impact they could have on us, the average person will not care. It just is not worth their time.

I'm not getting "worked up" about it. I'm just trying to stimulate discusson on an issue that I feel people too readily dismiss, to quote Diginut, as "idiotic". When, really, if you just dig a little, there is a plethora of evidence out there that STRONGLY suggests that a lot of shit is going on in space that we don't understand and aren't being told about anywhere close to the fullest extent.

So let me ask...if you admit they are unidentified flying objects, who exactly are flying them? Do you really think it's the US military up there with secret technology? That would be indicative of the type of major coverup that people so easily dismiss!

Maybe the governments of the world are right at this time. Maybe we, as a collective people, are simply NOT ready to be disclosed as to what's really going on out there. I know we have pride in being human beings, but there really is a shitload wrong in this world.

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Originally posted by Intangible I nominate this for best Digi-rant of the year And when will you kids learn that youtube videos are as credible as wikipedia... Lets add some more speculation to the mix - Old astronaut who misses his 15 minutes of fame.... (Peter, Sasha, Sagar, Mikey, etc... all I can think of is "the aliens are coming from out of the sky")

You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there.

Actually at times Wikipedia is QUITE accurate if people document their work. Read some articles on various historical people or go read up on marijauna or the environment. It's just a good a source to get some background info as anythign else. Try using it in an essay and that's a different story, but my own professors have admitted to reading Wikipedia to brush up on things.

And just because the videos are posted on youtube means they're fiction? If you actually WATCHED any of the stuff that's been posted, it's official NASA footage. The Mexican footage was shot by military air crews and originally released by their Department of Defence. So the fact that that footage has now ended up on youtube means it's all a crackpot conspiracy? So I suppose all that footage of US military personnel fighting in Iraq is fake too because it's on youtube? Are you that naive?

Yikes.

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Originally posted by love_child

you see, this is exactly the kind of BS "evidence" and pop culture crap that leads a lot of you sheepy people to laugh at the concept of intelligent life outside the Earth.

For any of you hypocritical Catholics out there, what do you make of the Vatican's recent admission that the existence of UFOs in no way contradicts the faith? Why would they even come out and say that in the first place?

Does anybody not remember the British guy who hacked into the NSA files and directly downloaded dozens of images of UFOs and hundreds of files? It pissed the Americans off so much that they're trying to extradite him the last I heard.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there. Actually at times Wikipedia is QUITE accurate if people document their work. Read some articles on various historical people or go read up on marijauna or the environment. It's just a good a source to get some background info as anythign else. Try using it in an essay and that's a different story, but my own professors have admitted to reading Wikipedia to brush up on things. And just because the videos are posted on youtube means they're fiction? If you actually WATCHED any of the stuff that's been posted, it's official NASA footage. The Mexican footage was shot by military air crews and originally released by their Department of Defence. So the fact that that footage has now ended up on youtube means it's all a crackpot conspiracy? Are you that naive? Yikes.

I never called you stupid
And I never once stated my opinion on what is happening 'out there' so no need to call me ignorant or narrow minded.

I never even said that I thought the video is a fake...

I'm just saying that you should always question information you are presented with.

And I actually thank you for your posts... creeped the hell out of me

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there.

I don't see in her post where she directly called you stupid, so I think it's a bit out of line for you to be calling her ignorant and narrow minded. As Dima and I both said (and perhaps others, I didn't real all the posts), everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and just b/c some people may not believe in the possibility of aliens or UFOs....(yes even if "credible" "authoritative" people said so, and have "evidence" to back them up) you should accept that. Fine if you're amazed that people aren't believing what you are, but you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your beliefs.

And to battle your credibility argument....what about the issue of global warming? There are credible and authoritative people arguing both for and against global warming, each with evidence backing up their arguments for the most part. So just b/c your sources are "credible" doesn't mean there aren't other credible sources out there that have evidence to disprove your theories (and I'm not talking about government)

SIX reasons why UFOs don't exist

1. Debunking the "U.S. Government conspiracy theory"
Just think, for the U.S. government to conspire to keep UFOs and alien knowledge from the general public, there has to be a perfect intergovernmental world conspiracy.

North Korea - hates the U.S. but co-operates with it on UFOs. Cuba - same thing, Old Soviet Union during the cold war- same thing, Many Arab countries - same thing. A lot of countries are in constant conflict all around the world, but when it comes to UFOs they are united even when they are at war. If there is an advantage to exposing the existence of UFOs to irritant their enemies, they won't take it.

Just think UFOs are uniting the world !!!!!

Let's face it, there is no government conspiracy except when it may be useful for the US military to keep the public thinking it's weapons research are UFOs as an extra measure of secrecy in case some of it's citizen's inadvertently spot a secret project.

Just within the past year some European governments have completely disclosed everything they know about UFOs. What kind of evidence did they reveal? Same old testimonial evidence with no real hard core physical evidence.

2. Debunking the "Scientist are 'scared of ridicule' theory"

According to UFO alien theorists, scientist are afraid to admit that UFOs exist because they are afraid of ridicule. But on the other hand, Scientists cheat and lie to gain fame and positions and grants for all kinds of research and investigations. It's a big and well known problem in the scientific community.
So a discovery in UFOs would be a big thing and would make any scientist world famous.....yet virtually all scientists stay away from this. Why? Because they know its pseudo-science (belief system masquerading as science) - and they know that people are very foolish and can believe in anything - not because they are "afraid of ridicule".
Why should any scientist be afraid of ridicule if they can prove that UFOs and aliens exist ?????

3. SETI (the Search for Extraterrestrial Life U.S. government program)

The NASA used to spend millions of dollars to study signals from alien worlds. Why if they have some UFO hotrod parked out in the back of the 'White House' would they have spent all this money?

4. Evidence is only testimonial

The only evidence for the existence of aliens and UFOs for the past 100 years or so is simply people's testimonials. No hard physical evidence has ever shown up. UFO "enthusiasts" claim the government is conspiring to keep it out of our hands.
Yet the U.S. government is a leaky sieve that constantly loses secrets all the time. Other governments also presumably conspire to keep alien knowledge secret. But the U.S. government can't control all these other countries to prevent their UFO secrets from leaking out. Despite the fact that there have been claims of tens of thousands of aliens coming here, there has not been a single instance of an alien physical object falling into the hands of an independent or university lab.

The perfect conspiracy again?

5. 1950s stories

Stories of UFOs and alien spaceships abounded in the 1950s. The Aliens were among us and came from within the Solar system. They were from Venus, Mars and the outer moons of Jupiter and Saturn. The government as usual was conspiring to keep this information from us but the proof that they came from these planets was out there somewhere. There were even a few religions founded by this phenomenon. Then the United States and Russia started sending probes to explore these planets and found them very inhospitable to life, all of a sudden these aliens were quietly moved out of the neighborhood to other star systems. Now all aliens travel faster than light and come from far away.
Of course the "proof" is still out there somewhere just further away, thats all.

6. Radio waves

If there were Aliens and UFOs in other star systems they probably would have been there for thousands of years. That means that any early communication technology like radio waves would be floating around and traveling to other stars for those same thousands and hundreds of years. They should have reached earth by now even before the aliens had, since presumably radio waves communication is usually invented before traveling between the stars. But for some strange reason the alien UFOs have gotten here first ???
We got the UFOs and the aliens first but not their radio waves. As a matter of fact if these aliens can travel faster than light shouldn't these radio waves still be out there ready to be received by our antennas. Unless of course as in item No.5 above the aliens had to be moved out of the near 1000 light year neighborhood and further away, then our UFO "enthusiasts" could simply say the alien's technology is so advanced they simply beat their own radio waves to Earth.

but I do question it. There are a lot of whackos out there who spread misinformation about UFOs and produce fake videos. But the stuff we're looking at here is official footage from government agencies and testimony from people who had claim to have observed or had direct contact with UFOs.

They range from WW2 pilots, pilots in the Korean War, Vietnam War, nuclear silo operators, CIA contractors, lawyers associated with President Jimmy Carter, a Mexican air traffic controller, an FAA chief who personally debriefed Reagan, etc, etc. It just amazes me that such a collection of obviously intelligent, informed and trustworthy people (or else why would they have been in the positions they were in) are so readily dismissed by so many people so quickly.

Since I am an historian, think of it this way. When you watch a documentary about WW2 and very old British, Germans and Americans, for example, discuss the war, we accept their testimony as being based in fact. Testimony based on observance and memory is a fundamental way of gathering information about past events but in this situation, everyone is so quick to ridicule them. The retired FAA guy had the massive report he wrote up on his UFO experience in 1986 in his hand as he testified. His, like hundreds of others, are available to read if you actually look around. Why is everyone so quick to suggest that these people just want their 15 minutes of fame? Not everyone is a greedy, attention-craving looney. And that particular organisation was NOT FOR PROFIT. They stand to lose FAR LESS than the people and industries they are accusing of wanting to keep the existence of ET life secret.

I'm not saying that what they are all saying is proof of aliens (the lady at the 90 minute mark seems a little eccentric), but they should at the very least be given the opportunity to be heard in front of Congress. Yet they have progressed absolutely nowhere at every turn in their goal with the US government.

I've always believed that where there is smoke, there is fire. How anyone can refuse to admit that there is a lot of smoke surrounding this particular issue is beyond me.

I can only use my own experiences to say they do exist.

Actually the British government has only recently started to release their documents (and no doubt some of the more sensitive ones will be kept hidden) and the process will not be completed until 2012.

Many developed nations have, at one time or another, conducted official inquiries into the existence of UFOs. Why would they even initiate an expensive endeavour like that if there was no proof or reason to do so in the first place?

Oh and love_child, you are really simplyfing the issue of hard "evidence". It is not "only" found in testimonials. What do you make of the footage that has been posted in this thread? Apparently NASA don't know what to make of it either, since they won't ever comment on anything these days.

What of the radio transmissions from the Mercury, Apollo and space shuttle missions when astronauts reported observing "bogies" in space or being followed. In a shuttle mission from the 1990s, a female astronaut is heard saying they were tracking a UFO and then she her audio was immediately cut off from the broadcast.

There are little hints all over the place if people try to stop being so isolationist and inward looking all the time. There is a whole universe out there.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but meteors and comets don't appear, disappear and then reappear. They don't travel at 7000 miles per hour and they don't suddenly change direction away from our planet. And Why would comets take up a circular formation and put on a light show?

Ever heard of this thing called gravity? Celestial objects don't fly perfectly straight. You might want to learn a few things about physics before spouting bullshit.

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And since WW2 there have been THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of sightings in EVERY COUNTRY ACROSS THE WORLD.

And virtually all of them are subjective experiences with no supporting evidence. In fact, there's always a rash of these "sightings" whenever one gets media attention. It's a known human phenomenon - people see things all the time that they can't quite make sense of, so they try to relate it to their own personal experience (which often tends to be something they saw on TV or print media). Some of these accounts are even obtained by techniques known to be bogus like regression therapy.

Not only that, but the way the "sightings" are described is known to follow popular fiction. Early accounts in the 60s and 70s were remarkably similar to sci-fi comics. Then they started to become more like what people saw on TV shows like the X-files. It's reasonable to state that for every so-called sighting there are over a hundred copycats. It's no different from the sudden spurts of suicide attempts or copycat murders that happen whenever one is widely publicized - well, no different aside from being less fatal.

It's because of the copycat phenomenon, because people are sheep, that the quantity of accounts is almost totally irrelevant. How many thousands upon thousands of people claim that Jesus appeared in their grilled cheese sandwiches? None of that makes it true.

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Have you ever considered the possiblity that it the world governments haven't come fully clean with us about all this is, just maybe, they're afraid how people will take it and how it will change our society? We as a race of people have always feared what we do not understand.

As a skeptic, one must consider all possibilities, but that is simply not a rational one. People feared the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq a lot more than they feared aliens. We've been exposed to the notion of extraterrestrials through pop culture for so long that it would be ridiculous to suggest that anyone is truly "afraid".

More to the point, it's not a question of whether or not "world governments" would want to cover up something like this, it's a question of whether or not they would be physically capable of doing it, and the historical record presents us with an emphatic "NO" answer. Like I said before, if the U.S. government can't cover up something so simple as a blowjob in the office or a drunken car crash, where they'd only have to hush up maybe 10 people and a couple of low-paid reporters, what could possibly inspire you to believe that they'd be able to plug a leak from thousands if not millions of citizens in concert with any number of federal agencies, private agencies, and several foreign governments thoroughly hostile to the USA?

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the level of trust that some people put in our governments is a little startling, I have to be honest.

I trust our government and other governments only marginally more than I trust the lunatics reporting on their anal probes (and I'm sure these demographics have major intersections anyway).

But even a cynic of DigiNut-proportion has to recognize the complete bumbling incompetence of any large bureaucracy. They'd simply never be able to pull off such an act. If they couldn't stop a couple of dirt-poor Islamic terrorists with box cutters from crashing commercial airliners into major populated landmarks (oh, I'm sorry, that was a coverup too, right?), then how could they possibly stop an alien spacecraft traveling at near-lightspeed from landing in the middle of Times Square and demanding to speak with our leaders?

I haven't even gotten to the burden-of-proof issue yet. Which is to say that, if you refuse to believe the government's explanation, that is fine skepticism (if not perhaps a little paranoid). But what makes the other theories any more likely or valid? Again I equate this to the creationist argument that because there's this frail evidence against Darwinism, we therefore must throw it out and accept Intelligent Design. It doesn't work that way, because there's even less evidence for ID, just as there's even less evidence for every or any UFO involving visitors from another galaxy.

If you want us to believe your hypothesis, you can't simply poke holes in the mainstream theory, you have to prove your hypothesis. In order for it to be even remotely plausible in a scientific sense, it must meet the three basic criteria:
a) It has to adequately explain everything that the mainstream theory already explains (UFOlogists have already failed at this step);
b) It has to explain the observations that the mainstream theory does not account for (technically they do, but I would argue that the explanations are not consistent enough to meet this criteria);
c) The alternative hypothesis has to be positive, testable, and falsifiable. UFOlogists have absolutely failed to address this one.



More generally, your argument in this thread consists almost exclusively of appeal to authority. Appeal to authority is legitimate when the authorities themselves are legitimate experts on the subject matter (in this case, some could be considered experts, though certainly not most). However, the primary difficulty with even the legitimate authorities is that they are all making vague and contradictory claims. The secondary difficulty is that it is not a majority of experts agreeing on these points, but rather a few fringe groups.

If a government-employed surgeon came out and said "I was the one who did the alien autopsy" and proceeded to dish out a lengthy account of every facet of this event, that would be evidence worth looking at (this actually happened but it turned out to be fake). If a jet pilot came out and said "we were pulled in by a tractor beam and boarded by reptillian humanoids", and proceeded to describe a whiteboard discussion they had on how to build a Warp Drive or Flux Capacitor, that would be evidence worth looking at.

But that isn't what we have. We have people saying they saw lights, or were followed by lights, or saw a crop circle in the morning, or some nonsense like that. It doesn't matter how many millions of intelligent people say this, it doesn't prove that these phenomena aren't either natural or man-made (or wholly imagined).

I hate to break it to you but there's more than a fine line between narrow-mindedness and healthy skepticism. Believing in extraterrestrial visitors flying UFOs and flashing lights at us in an vain attempt to communicate while every single world government tries to cover it up does not make you open-minded, it makes you a fool.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Apparently NASA don't know what to make of it either, since they won't ever comment on anything these days.

Silence does not always mean that they don't know what to say.

But that's part of my point genius. World governments are starting (slowly) to release their own reports, documents and footage to their publics. I've hammered away at it about ten times now, but I'll list them again. Britain, France, Belgium, Brazil, Mexico have all started to come forward int he last 5 years and are putting pressure on the Americans to do so. They sure as fuck know more about this than any of us do and we are clearly not getting the whole picture.

I also find it interesting that you're making fun of whatever those objects were doing over the Earth. So you're calling them stupid for moving into a circular formation? Hmm...don't our own planes do that type of thing when they fly in formation or put on an air show? Think about it for a second. You are scoffing at unidentified objects that are doing things above our planet that is quite obviously beyond our means at this time. And who the hell are we to criticise the way a possible alien civilisation communicates? How exactly would you propose that aliens contact us directly? I can think of only two options personally. Either they come to the governments of the world or they could simply drop in and say hello one day. What do you think would happen in the latter option? Fear, panic and outright fucking chaos and everyone knows it. We can barely stand the sight of each other's differing skin tones and religions...do you think we're ready to accept an entirely alien civilisation?

I also didn't know that you had a degree in space physics. I've never heard of a two mile diameter meteor hitting the Earth's atmosphere at 1500 miles an hour and then PICK UP four times the speed as it flies away when something is projected at it. Inanimate objects do not move like that, whether in space or not. You are really sounding ridiculous when you try to pass everything that looks strange to our eyes as "natural phenomena" when you quite clearly have no idea what to make of that footage.

And why all this skepticsm about coverups? My fucking God people..the American government has been covering massive developments up for the last sixty years. Did anyone know about the Manhattan Project during WW2? How long did the private sector and the US government keep the truth about global warming from us? They're still trying to spread disinformation about it to this fucking day!

ANd what about the electric car? That was one of the biggest shutdowns and coverups in the history of the world and it only happened about 15 years ago! What of all the lies about WMDs in Iraq?

If certain parts of the US government know about UFOs and intelligent life, then they are most assuredly treating this as a matter of national security, just like every other thing that is a potential "threat". ANd when something is a nationanl security matter, the public is rarely privy to the details.

Man you try to come off as so intelligent and logical, but you're more pompous and naive than you are attempting to make me sound.

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