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ding ding ding.

I'm a government agent, my work here is now done so I don't mind blowing my cover. All your posts have been recorded. Some of you will be rounded up and sent to the extermination camps shortly.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The people who generally respond, especially to "conspiracy" threads, are those who are driven; they're either driven by principle or out of fear. People who're insecure about their opinions or world view need constant validation, especially from an "authoritative" source. They also vehemently lash out against anyone who says anything contrary to it. Those who are driven by principle feel a need to raise awareness or draw attention to the truth of a matter. The irony though is, that both extremes ends of the spectrum here can make an individual obsessive and the likely hood of people taking one seriously decreases significantly, depending on the individual of course. The internet can be a great medium for communication and information, but it is also the most anonymous place one can be. Which means you'll run in to a lot of assholes inevitably, or people who at least turn in to ones depending on the subject or issue at hand. You can't reason with assholes or be civil. People generally don't act anywhere near as inconsiderate or uncivil in person, as they're not at a safe distance... which also means you can't beat the fuck out them either if they really cross the line and are disrespectful to you as person... which I have found to be the case, the more marginalized the perspective is or 'intellectually' unfashionable, which the truth usually is. The only way to deal with them is to ignore them; don't feed the trolls, and there's certainly no reason to let them effect your emotional state... you're only giving them power over you by doing so and they bring out the worst in you, in turn making you look bad for the shit slinging they started with their constant antagonistic nonsense. They'll give you all sorts of reasons, or excuses rather, defensively. They even believe their own excuses, disingenuity and dishonesty are natural consequences if one can't or refuses to deal with reality. Seriously dude, fuck em. There's no reason for you to ruin your day or waste your time with condescending and uncivil people who have no interest in actual discussion or debate. While I do think over the years you've posted some great information and things that seriously opened my eyes to certain issues, I think you should have learned by now that most people really don't give a fuck about anything other than their checkbook. Trust me, I learned the hard way... before I only touched issues I could definitively prove, usually regarding our foreign policy. As a minority, and a person growing up in multiple countries and cultures, I don't suffer from a nationalistic bias or it's milder much more civil form, patriotism. I could always see things from an outsiders perspective and they're plenty of inhumane, unjust, barbaric and morally bankrupt elements that dominants features of American foreign policy post WW2. I first though people's denial and / or apathy stemmed form the fact that they weren't directly affected by any of these atrocities or injustices. Only after 9-11, when I dared to touch things I knew I would have a hard time supporting leaving the framework of academia, is when I truly found out just how weak, selfish and / or pathetic so many people are and how denial of elementary truths are sort of one of the unspoken defining characteristics. To sum up, you can't really do much. The problem isn't simply ignorance, or just plain ignorance and apathy. The neurosis is more severe than that. It's intense indoctrination and a comfort zone people are unwilling to leave. There's nothing you can do about that. You can't make someone care or eager to be informed. That's only a choice that can be made by individuals on a personal level. The sooner you realize this the less of your time you will waste, and the less negative reactions you'll get from people. EDIT: And before someone takes this personally, keep in mind I mentioned no one in particular.

Go first learn to use paragraphs.

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Originally posted by Kinezi Go first learn to use paragraphs.

"Go first learn to use"?! And you're having a go at someone for their grammar?!

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Originally posted by Kinezi Go first learn to use paragraphs.

Whoaa, check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, foo'!

Don't be so asinine, especially when you speak in sentence fragments. :P

*IP addresses logged and cross-referenced*

*dispatching corrections officers*

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r *IP addresses logged and cross-referenced* *dispatching corrections officers*

I thought they were going to use Mexicans for the round-ups?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I thought they were going to use Mexicans for the round-ups?

ouch...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ouch...

Well, I suppose any indifferent, greedy gun toting bastard who wanted to enlist in a private army to do dirty work against humanity would be accepted. Rather rude to exclude, isn't it?

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you could've saved yourself a lot of time if you'd just said 'trancer, people don't like arrogant liars that only ever post long-winded opinion pieces from other people and never ever broach a subject themselves'. its that simple.

Funny, you post that we are all liars and frauds but you and your kind have never proven anything wrong. You do not bother to read or watch the material posted and place everything under one roof. (a tin roof I might add)

I hate to break it to you but it is not the lizard people, aliens, the illuminati or even the NWO that you claim we are blaming it on.

It is corruption, it exists globally and in almost every level of organizations/structures.

You just simply refuse to acknowledge it so I ask who is really lying and a being fraud?

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Originally posted by culorut Funny, you post that we are all liars and frauds but you and your kind have never proven anything wrong. You do not bother to read or watch the material posted and place everything under one roof. (a tin roof I might add) I hate to break it to you but it is not the lizard people, aliens, the illuminati or even the NWO that you claim we are blaming it on. It is corruption, it exists globally and in almost every level of organizations/structures. You just simply refuse to acknowledge it so I ask who is really lying and a being fraud?

Every government ever created has been corrupt and has fallen. SO what makes your alternative (which you have none), so much more appealing than the current system of government? Government is inherently corrupt and will always be inherently corrupt. Why? Because PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY CORRUPT.

The main reason everything is presently corrupt is because not all have fallen, some of the biggest scams (FED) have never fallen. You might beleive some have but it is not the case.

This is where you have your eyes completely closed.

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Originally posted by culorut The main reason everything is presently corrupt is because not all have fallen, some of the biggest scams (FED) have never fallen. You might beleive some have but it is not the case. This is where you have your eyes completely closed.

Not all what have fallen? What scams of the Federal Reserve have fallen?

Please, spare me your "sheeple/eyes closed" bullshit...

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Originally posted by Krypton Because PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY CORRUPT.

Heh, no... no body is born corrupt, it's learned behavior. The only for of resistance from any kind of corruption is adherence to principles and ethics (or morality).

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Originally posted by Krypton So basically, you're telling me he pussied out? Boo fucking hoo. I've gotten into so many heated debates, I can't even count them all. I didn't resort to spamming articles and plagiarizing them to use as an argument.

That's not what I said, but you can perceive it that way if you like.

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Not all what have fallen? What scams of the Federal Reserve have fallen?

The Federal Reserve is the scam.

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Heh, no... no body is born corrupt, it's learned behavior. The only for of resistance from any kind of corruption is adherence to principles and ethics (or morality).

Thank you.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Whoaa, check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, foo'! Don't be so asinine, especially when you speak in sentence fragments. :P

Suckers.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Heh, no... no body is born corrupt, it's learned behavior. The only for of resistance from any kind of corruption is adherence to principles and ethics (or morality).

So what do you tell a parent whose toddler is screaming and kicking because they want candy? Children don't learn to misbehave, they just do. Parents must teach children to behave. Notice how children grow up to be mentally unstable or criminals, when there is no parental direction. The fact is, children must learn to not be corrupt. Otherwise, their natural tendency is corruption.

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Originally posted by culorut The Federal Reserve is the scam.

How so? Name one scam of the Federal Reserve so we can talk about it.

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Originally posted by Krypton So what do you tell a parent whose toddler is screaming and kicking because they want candy? Children don't learn to misbehave, they just do. Parents must teach children to behave. Notice how children grow up to be mentally unstable or criminals, when there is no parental direction. The fact is, children must learn to not be corrupt. Otherwise, their natural tendency is corruption.

I don't believe you can learn to be a sociopath.

And seeking attention for a 'wowweepop' lol is much different than the Enron scam.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I don't believe you can learn to be a sociopath. And seeking attention for a 'wowweepop' lol is much different than the Enron scam.

Children exhibit the most basic human instincts which can be examined. A temper tantrum is far more than a simple misbehavior. It is the essence of selfishness. "I want what I want, and I want it now." This is not a learned behavior.

Question. Have you ever stolen? Lied? Cheated? I know 100% you have. Did your parents teach you how to lie? All of us, no matter how "good" you may seem, has within us a selfish persona, which will do anything to get one's way. The inability to control this selfish tendency is usually inherent in individuals who have lacked parental guidance. Children don't learn to misbehave.

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Originally posted by Krypton Children exhibit the most basic human instincts which can be examined. A temper tantrum is far more than a simple misbehavior. It is the essence of selfishness. "I want what I want, and I want it now." This is not a learned behavior. Question. Have you ever stolen? Lied? Cheated? I know 100% you have. Did your parents teach you how to lie? All of us, no matter how "good" you may seem, has within us a selfish persona, which will do anything to get one's way. The inability to control this selfish tendency is usually inherent in individuals who have lacked parental guidance. Children don't learn to misbehave.

That's one half of the nature vs. nurture argument, yes.

Thanks for making this personal, an excellent way to open communication lines and debate rationally.

And yes, children most certainly learn how to misbehave. Monkey-see, monkey-do is the oldest adage in the book!

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} That's one half of the nature vs. nurture argument, yes. Thanks for making this personal, an excellent way to open communication lines and debate rationally. And yes, children most certainly learn how to misbehave. Monkey-see, monkey-do is the oldest adage in the book!

Don't take it personally. It applies to everyone. Unless you know someone who has never lied, cheated, or stolen, let me know..

No, children don't learn to misbehave. There natural tendency is to misbehave. It is parental guidance which instructs them otherwise.

Now, if children are not inherently selfish, misbehaving creatures, than we should have at least 1 government which has lasted through the ages. The fact is, every government is corrupt, because humans are inherently corrupt, from the 3 year old child, up to the 60 year old statesman. You must live in a very rosy world, to think us humans are actually inherently good! I want what you're smokin! Evolution requires a selfish creature. Otherwise that creature will be extinct in no time.

And because every government is corrupt, what is your alternative to our current form of government? Another corrupt government? What does the radical libertarian movement have in mind? Abolish the Fed? Ok, what takes its place? Gold standard? Ok, what prevents an exodus to gold? You guys rail against the system, but yet, none of you understand the system, and more importantly, none of you has an alternative.

So I have a question.

What's your alternative to the Federal Reserve System and fiat currency? Especially given the corrupt nature of government.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I just think that it's funny that I actually have an entire gaggle of trolls whose pathetic little lives have come to revolve around their constantly following me from post to post in the attempt to discredit me in the hopes of discouraging others from listening to what I've been saying.

Yes, because everyone gets so excited to post whenever you show up.

Seriously, you drag shit threads from their death bed and drown out all the decent topics. Doesn't one "oh noes the government is coming to take my freedoms" thread suffice for you?

It's just pathetic that there's this vibrant community of people on this board with some interest in politics and (oh noes!) actual POLICY, and then you nuts have to come and sour the discourse and divert attention from the actual important topics.

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