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minimal bores me..and it's frustrating that so many dj's have jumped on this bandwagon....i don't know if they're just playin it safe...i hope the trend passes fast and soon...!

i would love me some carter and farina...mmmmm...house!

its taken me a while to take on this fad although i still havent fully embraced it. i agree that the "techno" sound has become rampant however, as stated earlier, thats just how the scene moves, from one "genre" to the next. I find it amusing how so many people can just suddenly switch gears. many friends HATE electro yet just 4-5 months earlier, they couldn't live without it. I find it hard to believe that their tastes could sour so quickly. Im a fan of all genres and keep my binder up to date with techno/minimal,techhouse, tribal, electro, and progressive. obviously not everyone can enjoy so many types of house at one time or can they..........

Electro was the EDM scene in Toronto for years. It�s all about the sound evolving. Techno / Minimal tracks seem to be the best tracks being put out. It�s not like every city is pumping out all techno these days. I was just in Chicago for the long weekend, all they play down there is hard bleepy electro. I think progressive and funky house will come back in the next few years. Djs / producers normally pick one direction in order to evolve there own sound.

The point being is that Toronto has a large variety of sounds being produced and played in the clubs. Pick and choose your destination accordingly people. Make / Play your own music and stop complaining.

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Originally posted by VDub The ONLY time minimal sounds good is when you play it over top of at least 2 other minimal tracks at the same time while keeping the bpm's above 130... Unfortunately there aren't too many DJ's skilled enough to maintain that on decks... Or you could do it on a comp but then you cease to be a DJ...

The danceability of minimal has little to do with BPM. Techno/Minimal can be boring a fuck at 130+bpm - but the "unz" of it tends to be fast enough that I'll 'move because there is a beat going fast' not because it's necessarily interesting.

Or, Minimal can be grooving along at a lower BPM (within reason obviously, not going to rock out to an 80bpm track), but the elements going on are interesting enough to get me moving. But, it has to be GOOD and INTERESTING. A two-note ping-pong baseline and a click, that is not very interesting.

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Originally posted by The Highroller To be honest, it's at a point now where I don't even like most of what is called "techno" or "minimal" anymore unless it's really creative or cutting edge, or if the DJ plays proper techno and is amazing technically (ie Richie Hawtin or Jeff Mills). It's just waaaaaay too played out these days. It seems all you need these days is distorted bass and 2 bottles clinking together to be the next cool guy who plays tech/minimal/techno/tech house.

I'd agree. There is too much tech-house and bad techno being played. Although, I'm finding that even in the DJ sets that I'm downloading online these days, that so many sets are leaving me a bit bored, so I dont think it's just a Toronto thing.

There are a few local DJs that seem to be pretty popular, but have made me leave the dance floor on more than one occasion.

I'd love to hear some straight up techno, or a proper minimal set get played - here's hoping Alex Smoke can deliver this weekend.

The past while I've been geeking out either over the RPR Soundsystem guys, or back to late 90s techno/minimal or stuff within that 'vibe' - Dan Bell, Sleeparchive, Donk Boys, Kooky Scientists, or straight up minimalism/glitch (Shako recordings, Alva Noto, etc) - of which most of isn't very dance friendly at all, but some pretty good listening music.

No, there is not too much. I'm loving the techno sound that has been dominating many sub-genres of EDM lately. It's not like he/she who wants to listen only to a certain sound (e.g. deep house or prog) is finding it difficult to do so; today there is simply an abundance of tracks with a techno influence, which is not to say that as a result non-techno influenced songs are declining.

And Jamie: techno and minimal can co-exist my friend. There will always be that ridiculously hard stuff that you really enjoy, so I say let the rest of us who enjoy a more subtle kind of techno enjoy minimal

Finally, as for the comment that minimal lacks 'danceability': listen to Michael Mayer's 2007 DEMF mix and try telling us that you honestly do not believe that it features a bunch of tunes that get you moving.

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Originally posted by VDub I'm not going to elaborate on anything... Dictionary definition of minimal... min�i�mal Pronunciation: \ˈmi-nə-məl\ Function: adjective Date: 1666 1: relating to or being a minimum: as a: the least possible b: barely adequate c: very small or slight 2often capitalized : of, relating to, or being minimal art or minimalism � min�i�mal�ly Listen to the pronunciation of minimally \-mə-lē\ adverb

However, when producing minimal art - either it painting, fashion, architecture or music - the end result has to be impeccable, or it's pretty bad. With minimal, all the extra 'fluff' is stripped away and any errors, mistakes or things that 'just don't work' stand out in the most obvious ways.

Every last detail needs to be tended to to ensure its perfect, or that imperfection will stand out. But say, if your tossing 100 layers on top, running it through loads of effects/filters and has so much going on - those imperfections can easily go un-noticed.

Creating crap minimal (of anything) is easy, creating good minimal is rather hard.

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Originally posted by kaniz I'd love to hear some straight up techno, or a proper minimal set get played - here's hoping Alex Smoke can deliver this weekend.

Alex smoke where???

Location hasn't been announced yet, need to join the Break & Enter mailing list or facebook group, its this Saturday.

Facebook/mailing list details:

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As you all know we will be releasing the location information later this week via the facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=6034609505) and the associated event there, and through this list and the mailing list at http://www.breakandenter.net/list

lol.

well at least all the people that say, "oh you listen to techno" and is refering to all kinds of electronic music is now correct.

techno beats. yeah.

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Originally posted by kaniz Techno/Minimal can be boring a fuck at 130+bpm

Well there's your problem. If it's 130 BPM, it isn't techno.

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However, when producing minimal art - either it painting, fashion, architecture or music - the end result has to be impeccable, or it's pretty bad. With minimal, all the extra 'fluff' is stripped away and any errors, mistakes or things that 'just don't work' stand out in the most obvious ways.

Why do music snobs keep repeating this pathetic old chestnut? Any producer can tell you that it's an absolute crock of shit. Mistakes are obvious no matter how many "layers" there are, no matter how much "fluff" there is, in any work of art, but especially music because our ears are incredibly sensitive to this type of thing.

Minimal music, especially minimal drums without much in the way of a melody, is just safe and lazy production. Any producer who's tried his hand at both will grant this without hesitation. You'd have to try pretty hard to fuck up the rhythm or tuning or EQ or even the mastering with just a couple of drums.

The end result always has to be impeccable in art, no matter how big or small, minimal or detailed it is. Less elements means less opportunity for mistakes.

I wish that the people who have no idea what they're talking about here would stop pretending that they do.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess well at least all the people that say, "oh you listen to techno" and is refering to all kinds of electronic music is now correct. techno beats. yeah.

you know, back when I was 14 or 15, anything that was remotely edm was automatically tagged as techno music...If I could only find one of those tapes! damn!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced

fuck, ahhahaha, i want to use that as my avatar

People, point me towards some good hard techno

Patrick DSP Live! & Concrete Djz @ Beton Show 30.04.2008
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richie is bitter without his beard lol

nah. i never thought richie was hot before until he got a bit of scruff. LOL

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Originally posted by DigiNut I wish that the people who have no idea what they're talking about here would stop pretending that they do.

+1.

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Originally posted by Shaya007 you know, back when I was 14 or 15, anything that was remotely edm was automatically tagged as techno music...If I could only find one of those tapes! damn!

Many older folks as well as individuals who have little understanding of EDM still identify all such music as 'techno'. For instance, my aunts talk about "that techno crap...the kind of music you can enjoy only if you're on drugs"...If that's the case then I must be high as a kite 24/7!




****ing old people!

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Originally posted by cenik Many older folks as well as individuals who have little understanding of EDM still identify all such music as 'techno'. For instance, my aunts talk about "that techno crap...the kind of music you can enjoy only if you're on drugs"...If that's the case then I must be high as a kite 24/7! ****ing old people!

one day you will be the old person say that stuff so you better watch it

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Originally posted by The Highroller

There is techno everywhere you go. But this not unlike every other musical fad. I literally stopped partying when we were going through the electro phase. Partying wasn't appealing because the music was shat.

Do I think there is too much techno?
Hell no!
I still miss tribal, but techno is a great substitute.

Let me ask you, what WOULD you like to be hearing in the clubs?

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Originally posted by london_ta I think progressive and funky house will come back in the next few years. Djs / producers normally pick one direction in order to evolve there own sound.

I friggin' hope not! Funky should stay in Chicago. If that becomes a fad, that will again be another break to my partying career.

OH YES..... and of course Tribal too

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Originally posted by MissK Let me ask you, what WOULD you like to be hearing in the clubs?

A frigging variety of genre, and I include happy hardcore country. (a nod to Scott lol)

No more latest flavour please!

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I friggin' hope not! Funky should stay in Chicago. If that becomes a fad, that will again be another break to my partying career.

funky house FTW!

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Originally posted by jchung52 I find it amusing how so many people can just suddenly switch gears. many friends HATE electro yet just 4-5 months earlier, they couldn't live without it. I find it hard to believe that their tastes could sour so quickly.

I think it can be said that generally, trends in dance music have short lifespans. People get bored of music quickly and are always looking for the newest, next best thing. I think it's actually a good thing though. It keeps the music fresh, and constantly changing.

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Originally posted by london_ta Techno / Minimal tracks seem to be the best tracks being put out.

Hardly. Techno is doing amazingly right now, causing lots of quality tracks to be put out, but there are also a lot more techno tracks being produced than many other genres. It kind of over flows the dance music market. That being set, there are tons of good records being put out in other genres.

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Originally posted by london_ta It�s not like every city is pumping out all techno these days.

Maybe not in North America, but in mostly every European country I partied in last year, it seemed to be the predominant sound.

nevar
love it.

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Originally posted by Yohan A frigging variety of genre, and I include happy hardcore country. (a nod to Scott lol)

it will catch on...you just wait and see.

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