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Elton John can be considered Techno

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Originally posted by Guest CAN YOU REALLY GO WRONG CALLING SOMETHING TECHNO?

I'm sure if you called holocaust survivors techno they'd think you're at least kiiiinda wrong.

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Originally posted by Guest CAN YOU REALLY GO WRONG CALLING SOMETHING TECHNO?

Maybe? I know Joey Beltram thought it was bullshit that his music was being labeled as Techno when he felt he was just producing a little bit darker edgier House music.

THIS THREAD SUCKS AND IS NOW ABOUT KITTENS

and boobs.

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Originally posted by mphreak imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

This is the same as saying that the only kind of trance music is epic trance music produced by dumonde and the like around 99


Techno has its roots wayyyyy before that, like 20 years almost

BONES!!!! (frankie that is)
Joey Beltram
Oliver Lieb
Cybotron
etc
etc
etc

you're fixated on one kind of techno sound i think, this kind of full on big room techno

don't forget about Basic Channel, the Ifach Collective, UR, Warp Records, The Black Dog, etc Techno is such a broad thing, I think brought together by conceptual clarity and rawness. IMO, prog is when artists begin to dilute the concept of the thing and move more towards a traditional 'song'.

I think techno is more about 'process' whereas prog is more about 'result'.

how many artists (besides joelz) do you see doing live prog PAs?

i would call marionette techno, but i can see why you would call it proggy. It's definitely fluffy, in the dark unicorn sense.

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Originally posted by julien2 THIS THREAD SUCKS AND IS NOW ABOUT KITTENS [IG]http://free-zg.htnet.hr/cat-world/pics/kittens-orange-large.jpg[/IMG]

Thank you. First thing that has taken this thread from worthless to worthwhile.

Everything that sounds like boom boom boom boom is techno music.

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Originally posted by mphreak imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

IMO that is the worst era of techno ever Boring monotonic brainless shit, called monotrack.

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Originally posted by nefardec IMO, prog is when artists begin to dilute the concept of the thing and move more towards a traditional 'song'.

Is it?

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Originally posted by SMC Is it?

you don't have to agree with me

Adam is just a big prog-hater.

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Originally posted by bas Does all techno have to sound the same? Why does it have to be so definitive?

do you like to answer questions w/ questions?

@jbj

i've just been moving another direction

to me prog of any sort is like windows vista - shiny, cluttered, restricted - and musically i am getting into unix

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Originally posted by nefardec you don't have to agree with me

I'm just asking because "prog" means different things in regard to different styles and different periods in time. Although it originally meant something closer to the opposite of what you described (experiment, innovation, progress, like in the progressive house of the early-mid 90s) todays so called prog house (and prog trance and stuff in between) is as stagnant as anything can get. That said i'm not sure where i should look to find that ideal you described (and compared techno to).

actually I think 'innovation' and 'progress' are really really subjective.

who knows, really.



and i'm not going to take your bait as far as 'ideal' goes because we all know that we have different tastes.

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Originally posted by nefardec actually I think 'innovation' and 'progress' are really really subjective. who knows, really. and i'm not going to take your bait as far as 'ideal' goes because we all know that we have different tastes.

Ok, i'm sorry, let me put it this way: what "prog" should i listen to if wanna hear artists "dilute the concept of the thing and move more towards a traditional 'song'"?

It has nothing to do with tastes, i'm not being an advocate for any type of prog or whatever, i don't even know exactly what prog you're refering to. I just found your interpretation a little odd, that's all.

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Originally posted by nefardec actually I think 'innovation' and 'progress' are really really subjective.

New topic for my future book on dance music.

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Originally posted by bigsnail do you like to answer questions w/ questions?

Yes.

I just got a hold of Marionette and it's brilliant. This is the first time I'm listening to it.

Marionette is one of the greatest dance music works of all time.

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Originally posted by nefardec you're fixated on one kind of techno sound i think, this kind of full on big room techno

well, you're right here. I call it just "techno", but when talking about different "sub genres" I always use adjectives as "detroit, minimal, deep..."

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Originally posted by nefardec don't forget about Basic Channel, the Ifach Collective, UR, Warp Records, The Black Dog, etc Techno is such a broad thing, I think brought together by conceptual clarity and rawness.

I do agree with you again on this. Techno as Techno is so much more than naming a couple of people's track, and saying it is Techno.
Imo, Techno is more than a music...thats the way of how someone can actually proces something in his head, it is the way of building your thoughts/opinions based on parameters picked up from outer of your entity. And, imo, that rawness and uniqueness make it perfect.
But, it is philosphy now

Point is that I separate term "Techno" as a kind of "mental evolution progress expressed trough music which started decades ago, and still kickin' " and techno as a "sound which was dominating during eary 00's years"

I hope you understand what I am talking about

No love for the kittens ?

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Originally posted by nefardec IMO, prog is when artists begin to dilute the concept of the thing and move more towards a traditional 'song'.

Progressive in the true sense of the term only dilutes techno by borrowing from it- progressive is the style that aims to create through synthesis of a basic conception of house music and absolutely anything and everything else. There is no purity in progressive because pure, undiluted sound is the antithesis of what progressive should be about. Unfortunately, everyone, including the people who now make it, seem to have forgotten what progressive once meant.

right, that is the 'glass is half full' way to see it

i say dilute because i have an obvious bias haha.



i like the 'concept' of progressive that you put forth here, and a good deal of many tunes that came about with that state of mind, but just like with 'minimal', when a technique or an approach becomes stratified and turned into a style or genre, that's when it begins to turn to shit.

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