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Originally posted by DigiNut but Canadian federal politics have always favoured the incumbent, and most people believe that he's done a good job, perhaps not a great job but at least the government isn't fractured or mired in scandal.

Riiiiiight.The same guy who is breaking the law by taking the country into election this October,because he feels like it.

I honestly think that most Americans who DO care about the issues vote Democrat.

The ones who vote Republican are the wealthy and greedy who cannot see beyond "tax cuts" (which really do little for the working and middle classes anyway), those who are super conservative and think abortion and gay rights is still an important political issue (fucking morons), those who have been completely brainwashed by the post 9/11 world and the threat of terrorism(albeit real, but Republican handling of it is beyond stupid). And lastly, you have the completely uneducated voters from the religious and rural states (the South, Texas, mid west, etc).

Those are the people who vote Republican from what I can gather.

Oh, and people who say they strongly supported Hillary but then vote McCain are simply whacked. That is such a suck hole attitude! Whatever happened to fucking PARTY DISCIPLINE or LOYALTY to your political party's values? Barack and Hillary essentially stand for the SAME things. Casting your vote for a polar opposite because your candidate didn't win the nomination is childish and simply fucking retarded. I can't stand Dion as Liberal leader, but when it comes down to him and control freak facsist Harper, I know who I will be voting for!

AMERICA
FUCK YEAH

more like amerikkka amirite guise

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Originally posted by DigiNut That's what happens when you pander to the whimsical and frivolous. They love to talk and swoon and go to demonstrations and campaign rallies and put up signs and be viewed (they think) as caring and passionate and well-informed, but come voting day they almost always flake out. Don't people ever wonder why public opinion polls always skew in favour of the liberals/democrats? The thing is, though, it's not really a question of rallying the troops, of getting those left-leaning youth voters to get up and vote, because if they care enough to vote then at least half of them usually also care enough to do some research, at which point they become cynical heartless assholes like me and realize that the Dems are completely full of shit. So it's kind of a wash either way when it comes to the actual election. It's just the pre-election stuff that always tilts to the left.

amen

It was cool for Obama while it lasted, but McCain will take it.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer We both know however that there is alot of brainless people down there who will blindly vote for the Republicans regardless.

Not completely brainless just not accepting of change. You would be amazed (well probably not) at how many people down in the US will not vote for Obama because they are too afraid of such a drastic change and would rather things stay the way they are and change slowly.


Palin apparently has "gay" friends but opposes gay marriage. She also opposes abortion yet is a member of a feminist group....contradicting yourself much there lady?

Palin and McCain together are going to be one heck of a disaster for the environment. She's a huge supporter of oil resource development in Alaska and opened the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling.

In 2007, Palin approved a $150 cash incentive for each Alaskan wolf to be killed by hunters in helicopters. The incentive was called a "bounty" for killing wolves.

In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne to list polar bears as an endangered species. She threatened a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts.

I barely even know about this woman and I already can't stand her.

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Originally posted by KaiLee She's a huge supporter of oil resource development in Alaska and opened the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling. In 2007, Palin approved a $150 cash incentive for each Alaskan wolf to be killed by hunters in helicopters. The incentive was called a "bounty" for killing wolves.

and whats wrong with that?

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Originally posted by malek and whats wrong with that?

dude I believe wolves are supposed to be a protected species. They are nearly extinct, or at least that was one of the causes my grade 6 teacher took up.

Don't you think we should protect the remaining habitats for wildlife?

Republicans just want to drill for oil and pollute the environment because it's the private energy and oil industries that largely fund their campaigns and dictate policy to the party. It's quite obvious that they, as a party, do not give a shit about the environment, ecosystems, pollution, etc. All they care about is what makes them money right now and that is primarily oil. Instead of trying to become greener and innovate, Republicans want us to keep driving cars at fucking RIDICULOUS oil and gas prices. Why would anyone vote for more of the same of that?

If the Democrats are "full of shit" according to Digi, then the Republicans are just plain evil and DO NOT represent the lower, working or even middle classes.

For sure it's going to take time to phase out oil, but don't you all think we should start sooner, rather than later? Republicans and conservatives like Stephen Harper continue to block any progress on the issue. Literally nothing has been accomplished since the Kyoto accords in 1997 and nobody really seems to care. No, we'll just keep electing the same parties to power who have bumbled their way through governance and set us back years.

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Originally posted by malek and whats wrong with that?

What's wrong with drilling in a wildlife refuge? It became a wildlife refuge for a reason....to protect our environment and the species that were here BEFORE we were.

What's wrong with shooting wolves from the air? That gives hunters a completely unfair advantage over the wolves and is incredibly cruel.

This woman obviously could care less about the planet that provides her with a place to live. People like this need to be shipped off to Mars.

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Originally posted by KaiLee What's wrong with shooting wolves from the air? That gives hunters a completely unfair advantage over the wolves and is incredibly cruel.

You mean, the wolves should have a chance to rip out the throats of hunters on the ground?

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Originally posted by KaiLee What's wrong with drilling in a wildlife refuge? It became a wildlife refuge for a reason....to protect our environment and the species that were here BEFORE we were.

Wildlife refuges don't protect the environment, and even that assumes that the environment there needs protection. And I'm not aware of any rule, written or unwritten, stating that whomever was there first owns the place forever. Yes, the wolves were there first, but we grew brains with higher-order reasoning and invented guns and oil refineries. We win.

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What's wrong with shooting wolves from the air? That gives hunters a completely unfair advantage over the wolves and is incredibly cruel.

I see. So shooting them from the ground wouldn't be cruel? Or would you prefer for explorers to go out in parkas and fight the wolves hand-to-paw? I don't see you volunteering.

Since this is all about nature, let's point out at this juncture that all interspecies fights in nature are unfair nights. You're either a natural predator or natural prey. The predator always wins unless the prey runs away and finds someplace else to live. Our natural advantage is our intelligence and opposable digits, which we use to create technology. Mother Nature gave us these things for a reason: so we could exterminate these fucking pests and suck out her sweet sweet oil which has been giving her heartburn for billions of years.

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This woman obviously could care less about the planet that provides her with a place to live. People like this need to be shipped off to Mars.

Couldn't care less. The expression is couldn't care less. And I don't know about you, but I pay for my real estate, so I don't think I owe shit to this planet or anyone else for a place to live. We may or may not be the only sentient life in the universe, but we certainly are on Earth, and this "planet" would be nothing without us. Just a bunch of a stupid animals eating each other and crapping in the woods and sniffing each other's crap-encrusted butts.

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Originally posted by Yohan You mean, the wolves should have a chance to rip out the throats of hunters on the ground?

Absofuckinlutely...

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Originally posted by DigiNut Wildlife refuges don't protect the environment, and even that assumes that the environment there needs protection. And I'm not aware of any rule, written or unwritten, stating that whomever was there first owns the place forever. Yes, the wolves were there first, but we grew brains with higher-order reasoning and invented guns and oil refineries. We win. I see. So shooting them from the ground wouldn't be cruel? Or would you prefer for explorers to go out in parkas and fight the wolves hand-to-paw? I don't see you volunteering.

It's pretty obvious we have completely opposite points of view on these matters and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you on the internet. Maybe you can take your views and use them in real life versus an online forum? It tends to work well

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Originally posted by KaiLee Maybe you can take your views and use them in real life versus an online forum? It tends to work well

I do. Do you have a point? There's no "versus" - these things aren't mutually exclusive. I suppose maybe you're assuming that I'm afraid to speak my mind face-to-face, but if that's the case, then you clearly haven't done your research.

Not that arguing on the internet isn't a waste of time (I happen to have time to waste at the moment), but if one can't engage in a debate with the security of Google and freeform editing then it's unlikely they'll have much more to say in "real life".

McCains whole strategy has been to sit back and wait for Obama to fall on his own arrogance. And it seems to be working. McCain is now ahead by a few points in a race that was supposed to be gift wrapped and handed to the democrats. History shows time and time again that no one likes people to act as if they have won until they actually have.

Anytime now the desperation will come out and the race card will be dropped by the dems now that they can no longer subtly suggest that mccain is a sexist and that more and more its appearing that emperor obama has no clothes. Should be an interesting fall.

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Originally posted by Jer I'll be crystal clear here - I have no bias against Palin,

She has more executive and political experience than Obama.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I honestly think that most Americans who DO care about the issues vote Democrat. The ones who vote Republican are the wealthy and greedy who cannot see beyond "tax cuts" (which really do little for the working and middle classes anyway), those who are super conservative and think abortion and gay rights is still an important political issue (fucking morons), those who have been completely brainwashed by the post 9/11 world and the threat of terrorism(albeit real, but Republican handling of it is beyond stupid). And lastly, you have the completely uneducated voters from the religious and rural states (the South, Texas, mid west, etc). Those are the people who vote Republican from what I can gather.

you have pretty much included everyone in the US who isnt an artsy fartsy know it all LOL. Which is why obama probably wont win. Thank god... his socialist ideas will wreak havoc on the world economy.

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Oh, and people who say they strongly supported Hillary but then vote McCain are simply whacked. That is such a suck hole attitude! Whatever happened to fucking PARTY DISCIPLINE or LOYALTY to your political party's values?

Whatever happened to voting for the best candidate no matter what party, sex, or colour?

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Barack and Hillary essentially stand for the SAME things. Casting your vote for a polar opposite because your candidate didn't win the nomination is childish and simply fucking retarded.

This shows your ignorance. Mccain is very middle of the road and other than the war hes very centrist and in normal times would ALMOST be a democrat in many ways. But yes, compared to the socialist sloth coming out of the democrats these days mccain is quite the opposite.

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I can't stand Dion as Liberal leader, but when it comes down to him and control freak facsist Harper, I know who I will be voting for!

the guy who is going to tax us into a depression from the recession we are in now? Yeah, good choice! Funny things is that if Harper ran for president in the US hed probably be a centrist democrat.

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Originally posted by KaiLee [quote]Palin apparently has "gay" friends but opposes gay marriage. She also opposes abortion yet is a member of a feminist group....contradicting yourself much there lady?

Just because you oppose gay marriage does not by default make you "anti-gay". Nor does opposing abortion make you "anti-woman". What many left wingers fail to realize is that true liberalism means the acceptance of others' ideas even if they dont coincide with your own.

Using your argument model you could say that supporters of gay marriage are "anti-religion" and supporters of abortion are "anti-children" but that would be ridiculous now wouldnt it?

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McCain is now ahead by a few points in a race that was supposed to be gift wrapped and handed to the democrats.

No. Gallup daily tracking has Obama ahead 49% to 41% nationally. Expect this lead to change DRASTICALLY come debate time, everything between the conventions and the debates is fodder.

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She has more executive and political experience than Obama.

Technically speaking, she's the only person of the four on the ticket with any executive experience, but that doesn't count for much with less than two years of said experience.

Keep in mind that prior to that, she was the mayor of the township of Wasilla. Not city - Township with its population of under 10,000 (7200 if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me).

So to me the 'experience' argument is a moot one, one that Republicans aren't talking up at all (with good reason).

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Originally posted by Jer Keep in mind that prior to that, she was the mayor of the township of Wasilla. Not city - Township with its population of under 10,000 (7200 if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me).

Prior to being governor she was Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner - which, considering we're talking about Alaska, is a fairly important position.

More importantly - she's done more than "give great speech" while in office. Her impact and effectiveness (as mayor, commissioner and governor) is very impressive.

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Originally posted by Jer Expect this lead to change DRASTICALLY come debate time

Expect no such thing. This almost never happens. The majority of voters are partisan voters anyway and simply won't change their minds under any circumstances; the balance is in about 20% of the voting body and those are precisely the people who won't be easily swayed by Obama's rhetoric (although they will probably get a good laugh out of Biden's chronic foot-in-mouth disease).

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Originally posted by DigiNut Expect no such thing. This almost never happens. The majority of voters are partisan voters anyway and simply won't change their minds under any circumstances; the balance is in about 20% of the voting body and those are precisely the people who won't be easily swayed by Obama's rhetoric (although they will probably get a good laugh out of Biden's chronic foot-in-mouth disease).

While you might be on to something (and I totally agree that the majority are partisan voters) I think it's fair to say that this election is fundamentally different from any other in American politcal history - So to expect a heightened level of attention and consideration on the part of that remaining 20% is reasonable.

Side note: I love Biden's trademark fuck-ups. LOVE them.

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Originally posted by Yohan You mean, the wolves should have a chance to rip out the throats of hunters on the ground?

how about the fucking greedy oil tycoons leave the fucking wolves alone and stay out of the wildlife habitats? It's not that fucking hard.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I do. Do you have a point? There's no "versus" - these things aren't mutually exclusive. I suppose maybe you're assuming that I'm afraid to speak my mind face-to-face, but if that's the case, then you clearly haven't done your research. Not that arguing on the internet isn't a waste of time (I happen to have time to waste at the moment), but if one can't engage in a debate with the security of Google and freeform editing then it's unlikely they'll have much more to say in "real life".

dude you tried to tell me that the Bushes and McCain aren't neoconservatives. You fail.

We have bigger brains and invented oil refineries eh? Oh yeah...fuck the evironment and all kinds of endangered species because HOLY FUCK WE NEED MORE OIL!! FUCK IT ALL! DRILL DRILL DRILL!

Do any of you right wing loonies ever think of what this world is going to look like when you're old and raising kids or grandkids? I'm starting to suspect you just don't give a shit and I pity you.

Nice guys finish last. Obama has a lot to offer, to fix American position in the world, but McCain will steal the show in September. He's got the Clinton votes in his pocket. And Rove on the side. He's smarter than he looks.

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