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Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-09-2008 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
So I'm in the market for a new camera that can take hella nice pics. Budgets around $800 and maybe a bit higher. The latest 12.2 mp Canon Rebel is all I have looked at so far. Any other ones with at least a 12 mp rating in the price range?

if you can, try to swing the new Nikon D90.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Sep-09-2008 19:29:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
if you can, try to swing the new Nikon D90.


I'll look into that one..thx for rec =)


Posted by malek on Sep-09-2008 20:29:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
So I'm in the market for a new camera that can take hella nice pics. Budgets around $800 and maybe a bit higher. The latest 12.2 mp Canon Rebel is all I have looked at so far. Any other ones with at least a 12 mp rating in the price range?


save up and go for the Canon 50D, or wait a bit and there's a few new models coming up in the coming weeks (but maybe none in your price range).


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-09-2008 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
save up and go for the Canon 50D, or wait a bit and there's a few new models coming up in the coming weeks (but maybe none in your price range).

Exactly what I was going to suggest. It is around 1200 for the kit, and it is an EXCELLENT start.

Also, I absolutely despise HDR, but these are a the ones that have changed my mind....but only because you were so subtle.


Posted by Sushipunk on Sep-09-2008 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Exactly what I was going to suggest. It is around 1200 for the kit, and it is an EXCELLENT start.


The price etc. has been released then? Link me baby!

Edit: Never mind, I found all the info.

I want


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-09-2008 22:21:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Exactly what I was going to suggest. It is around 1200 for the kit, and it is an EXCELLENT start.

Also, I absolutely despise HDR, but these are a the ones that have changed my mind....but only because you were so subtle.

The 50D is $1399, body only. Add an (average) EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom lens for a kit price of $1599. Personally I would want to get a different lens such as the EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS ($699) or an L model, that would likely push its cost over $2k.

The D90 is $1300 or so for the body plus a really good 18-105 lens.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-09-2008 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
The 50D is $1399, body only. Add an (average) EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom lens for a kit price of $1599. Personally I would want to get a different lens such as the EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS ($699) or an L model, that would likely push its cost over $2k.

The D90 is $1300 or so for the body plus a really good 18-105 lens.

Just like the 30d and 40d, the MSRP is never what it sells for. You can always find it 2-300 cheaper online in kit form. And while I agree that the EFS 18-200 lens is nice, for someone who has yet to master any of the cameras functions, it is best to start small if not super basic, and move up from there. That 50d will have a lot of things to learn for someone who isn't necessarily used to all the different modes, manual functions, etc.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-09-2008 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Just like the 30d and 40d, the MSRP is never what it sells for. You can always find it 2-300 cheaper online in kit form. And while I agree that the EFS 18-200 lens is nice, for someone who has yet to master any of the cameras functions, it is best to start small if not super basic, and move up from there. That 50d will have a lot of things to learn for someone who isn't necessarily used to all the different modes, manual functions, etc.

I would not call the 50D a beginner's camera.. and I would not get a cheap lens for it. That's all I'm saying. I would call the D90 a beginner's camera.

And, the prices I quoted on the 50D are not MSRP:

http://www.ritzcamera.com/webapp/wc...catalogId=10001

I want to modify what I said about the 18-200 tho. I would only recommend it as an "all-around" walk about lens. Although I haven't seen tests for it, if I can go by Nikon's 18-200 offering, the lens has the potential for distortion at the extremeties - it's almost by nature. If you know what kind of shooting you plan to be doing (and you should) I would advise to target a more specific lens for your needs.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-09-2008 22:50:

ps. I do not mean to discredit the D90 in any way shape or form.. in fact I consider it to be a mini D300. It has many of the same features including the insane 3" 922,000 pixel LCD, the same MP, D-lighting, and furthermore it has the 720p HD movie mode which I do think is more than just a gimmick. In case you haven't seen samples.

if you haven't seen movies taken by the D90, check here:
http://vimeo.com/D90

The mode does have some limitations, 5 mins max at 720p (takes up about 400MB), must use manual focus (watch the videos and see that this is workable), can't take video for prolonged periods (camera gets hot) - would not be using this as a "video camera" anyway.

ps. I will be getting a D90 as soon as I can, to use as a walk-around / daily cam. The 5D + grip + flash is just too big for many occasions and areas.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-09-2008 23:04:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
ps. I do not mean to discredit the D90 in any way shape or form.. in fact I consider it to be a mini D300. It has many of the same features including the insane 3" 922,000 pixel LCD, the same MP, D-lighting, and furthermore it has the 720p HD movie mode which I do think is more than just a gimmick. In case you haven't seen samples.

if you haven't seen movies taken by the D90, check here:
http://vimeo.com/D90

The mode does have some limitations, 5 mins max at 720p (takes up about 400MB), must use manual focus (watch the videos and see that this is workable), can't take video for prolonged periods (camera gets hot) - would not be using this as a "video camera" anyway.

ps. I will be getting a D90 as soon as I can, to use as a walk-around / daily cam. The 5D + grip + flash is just too big for many occasions and areas.

haha yeah the 5d is quite huge for daily use. 50d or d90 would be the best choice for that.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-09-2008 23:06:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
I would not call the 50D a beginner's camera.. and I would not get a cheap lens for it. That's all I'm saying.

And, the prices I quoted on the 50D are not MSRP:

http://www.ritzcamera.com/webapp/wc...catalogId=10001

I want to modify what I said about the 18-200 tho. I would only recommend it as an "all-around" walk about lens. Although I haven't seen tests for it, if I can go by Nikon's 18-200 offering, the lens has the potential for distortion at the extremeties - it's almost by nature. If you know what kind of shooting you plan to be doing (and you should) I would advise to target a more specific lens for your needs.

Yeah they are pre-order. Saw that too, and balked. I guess we will see how much the internet brings it down.

Also, I would be the first to tell people to wait and save more to get what you want and not to go "cheap" as that just results in disdain for your purchase. On the other hand, mastering this camera if only used casually and occasionally, not constantly, will result in too much equipment for someone who didn't use a manual focus SLR enough to understand what the different things do.


Posted by Fledz on Sep-09-2008 23:44:


Posted by Sukhoi29SU on Sep-09-2008 23:48:

neat thread.
great pictures.
go cubs.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-10-2008 04:59:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Exactly what I was going to suggest. It is around 1200 for the kit, and it is an EXCELLENT start.

Also, I absolutely despise HDR, but these are a the ones that have changed my mind....but only because you were so subtle.

glad to hear you liked these HDR's. It's unfortunate what the masses have done to it - although I used to do the wilder HDR's in the past, I never came close to doing the absolutely obnoxious kind that has given it such a bad name. Ok. maybe a few times I came close. HDR can be very nice, when done subtly.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-10-2008 05:04:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
glad to hear you liked these HDR's. It's unfortunate what the masses have done to it - although I used to do the wilder HDR's in the past, I never came close to doing the absolutely obnoxious kind that has given it such a bad name. Ok. maybe a few times I came close. HDR can be very nice, when done subtly.

Yeah but unfortunately they are RARELY done subtly. They just look too cartoon like. If I wanted a cartoon photo I would ask for one. Yours were so subtle I was trying to figure out how they were HDR mostly since all I had seen previous to this were the ugly ones. Good job. Awesome pics.


Posted by stren on Sep-10-2008 08:20:

I know its cheating, but lightroom FTW!


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Sep-10-2008 13:54:

Damn that Canon 50D is bad ass! I think I'm going with that one as a Christmas present to myself =) Now I'm a n00b when it comes to this stuff, so what lens should I go for? I know it depends what I'm going to be shooting so I'm looking for an all around usage lens. Thanks for your suggestions!


Posted by malek on Sep-10-2008 14:34:

delobbo: sure the 50D is "expensive" now, but it isn't out yet, the D90 has been on the market for a little while, so the price will drop really fast after launch.

Watch out for black friday, price could be very intresting!

I'm eagerly waiting for the Beast v2.0 aka 5D MK2


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-10-2008 15:17:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Damn that Canon 50D is bad ass! I think I'm going with that one as a Christmas present to myself =) Now I'm a n00b when it comes to this stuff, so what lens should I go for? I know it depends what I'm going to be shooting so I'm looking for an all around usage lens. Thanks for your suggestions!

2 of my friends LOVE the 24-70 L series lens for an all around walk around lens as long as no long long zoom.


Posted by annar on Sep-10-2008 15:28:

Wow, somebody that does HDR right. Kudos.

You could've achieved most results with say a 16-35L in the panoramic pictures.


Posted by malek on Sep-10-2008 15:43:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
2 of my friends LOVE the 24-70 L series lens for an all around walk around lens as long as no long long zoom.


the 24-70L is my favorite walk around lense, especially on the 5D, on ASP-C sensore its not that intresting.


Posted by malek on Sep-10-2008 15:44:

quote:
Originally posted by stren
I know its cheating, but lightroom FTW!



did you use the exposure brush ?


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-10-2008 15:45:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
the 24-70L is my favorite walk around lense, especially on the 5D, on ASP-C sensore its not that intresting.

A friend of mine used it on his 20d and 30d that he had before he upgraded to the 5d and then 1d. He still uses it a ton. It is his lens of choice for walk around shots for ANY Canon DSLR. He is SUPER picky too.


Posted by stren on Sep-10-2008 15:49:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
did you use the exposure brush ?


I think I used everything, just playing around


Posted by CONNERMAN2000 on Sep-10-2008 15:55:

Its threads like these that make me want to get into photography. Though what kind of money would I be talking about if I wanted to take ridiculously good-looking pictures like these?


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