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Originally posted by Faj27 If I remember correctly, YOU busted my chops for buying Traktor

I saw the light

I think it'll only be forever harder moving forward for the big DJs to use vinyl (as their main medium anyways) given how quickly new music comes out, how it's given to the DJs, etc. I really wonder %-wise how many of the DJs get their music in vinyl form now-a-days. Plus vinyl is expensive, bulky, and difficult to travel with.

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Originally posted by keithos27 I think it'll only be forever harder moving forward for the big DJs to use vinyl (as their main medium anyways) given how quickly new music comes out, how it's given to the DJs, etc. I really wonder %-wise how many of the DJs get their music in vinyl form now-a-days. Plus vinyl is expensive, bulky, and difficult to travel with.

A lot of them use laptops but still keep the operation of a turntable via control vinyls. Seems to be a happy medium most have found.

a whole vinyl release is not that much more expensive than a full ep on beatport.

they are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Originally posted by elFreak a whole vinyl release is not that much more expensive than a full ep on beatport. they are laughing all the way to the bank.

And how many DJs use a whole vinyl release?

I was referring to the bigger jocks that get things upfront, and for free.

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Originally posted by Clovis A lot of them use laptops but still keep the operation of a turntable via control vinyls. Seems to be a happy medium most have found.

I'm by no means an expert on the DJ scene, but for the past 3 years at least all the big jocks I've seen out have all been using CDDJs or laptop. I've yet to see anyone use Serato out. Not saying it doesn't happen... I'm sure tons of DJs use it... Just saying. Actually I take that back... 4ish years ago I remember seeing PVD use control vinyl (or was it CDs... can't remember).

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Originally posted by keithos27 I'm by no means an expert on the DJ scene, but for the past 3 years at least all the big jocks I've seen out have all been using CDDJs or laptop. I've yet to see anyone use Serato out. Not saying it doesn't happen... I'm sure tons of DJs use it... Just saying. Actually I take that back... 4ish years ago I remember seeing PVD use control vinyl (or was it CDs... can't remember).

He was talking about Techno DJs.

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Originally posted by Clovis Almost everyone in techno who DJs is using serato/traktor + vinyls

Any particular reason why these setups are being preferred by techno DJ's specifically?

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Any particular reason why these setups are being preferred by techno DJ's specifically?

It is all about having the aesthetic of wax with the convenience of digital files.

my guess is exclusive vinyl content mixed with the extra things you can pull off with the software.

in the techno world there are still tons of great releases seeing a vinyl only release.

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Originally posted by keithos27 And how many DJs use a whole vinyl release? I was referring to the bigger jocks that get things upfront, and for free.

you mentioned cost, i was just stating a point in regards to that. Many dj's play multiple cuts off of the same release.

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Originally posted by elFreak you mentioned cost, i was just stating a point in regards to that. Many dj's play multiple cuts off of the same release.

It would be stupid though to say you don't save quite a bit by buying digital instead of vinyl. Everyone I know went from spending a few hundred a month on vinyl to maybe $50 on digital downloads.

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Originally posted by RJT That video is fucking awesome. Edit: OK, not only is it awesome to see how Hawtin goes about doing what he does with Traktor, but to see someone who's literally seen it and done it all still be so fucking excited about DJ'ing is even more mega. Just absolutely inspiring.

Seriously, that video was epic.

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Originally posted by Zild It is all about having the aesthetic of wax with the convenience of digital files.

Right, but Clovis mentioned techno DJ's in particular, and I was wondering as to why the aesthetics of wax and convenience of digital files were somehow more of priority with those playing techno than other genres.

Anyway, Chris Fortier is one of the major jocks still running with an almost entirely vinyl set-up.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Right, but Clovis mentioned techno DJ's in particular, and I was wondering as to why the aesthetics of wax and convenience of digital files were somehow more of priority with those playing techno than other genres. Anyway, Chris Fortier is one of the major jocks still running with an almost entirely vinyl set-up.

Because the other genres embraced digital a LONG time ago. Techno DJs held out a bit longer.

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Originally posted by elFreak you mentioned cost, i was just stating a point in regards to that. Many dj's play multiple cuts off of the same release.

i was referring more to delivery costs. most big djs used to get promos that had a few tracks or one track with a few remixes per cut.

now-a-days it's so much cheaper to fileshare .wavs or mail CDrs then to mail out vinyl. that's where i was going.

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Originally posted by Zild It would be stupid though to say you don't save quite a bit by buying digital instead of vinyl. Everyone I know went from spending a few hundred a month on vinyl to maybe $50 on digital downloads.

not really, i spend more now with digital downloads and vinyls then before.

i like buying full releases, and believe it or not many others do.

not every vinyl you need to buy has to be shipped from europe, but then again it also depends on if you live in a metropolitan area with a market for dance music vs the middle of nowhere with none. I have even managed to find records for cheaper than beatport (WAV).

what would be pretty stupid is making baseless assumptions even if they seem right.

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Originally posted by elFreak not really, i spend more now with digital downloads and vinyls then before. i like buying full releases, and believe it or not many others do. not every vinyl you need to buy has to be shipped from europe, but then again it also depends on if you live in a metropolitan area with a market for dance music vs the middle of nowhere with none. I have even managed to find records for cheaper than beatport (WAV).

I believe it just saying that for most of us digital has been much cheaper. Most people don't live in a mmetropolitan area with large market for dance music. I live in a large metropolitan area but there is a large market for rap/reggaeton/r&B/metal.

i agree with the most people part completely.

when you start buying wav and such the pricing is still pretty competitive.

i am not talking about mp3's.

Over the past 5 years I've collected 1,100 vinyl, 200+ CDs, and 4,800+ legal MP3s. Digital has been much cheaper.

how many wav's?

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Originally posted by elFreak i agree with the most people part completely. when you start buying wav and such the pricing is still pretty competitive. i am not talking about mp3's.

Oh I agree with you there. If I was going to buy all wavs then you really aren't saving anything over vinyl.

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Originally posted by elFreak cd's ^^^ tons of big guys still play records.

He played all vinyl when we saw him last year. Obviously a lot can change in that time - but he definitely had at least four huge crates with him in Chicago.

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Originally posted by RJT He played all vinyl when we saw him last year. Obviously a lot can change in that time - but he definitely had at least four huge crates with him in Chicago.

I saw him here on November, last year IIRC...and he alternated between vinyl and CDs.

It seems to me that most of the proponents of vinyl are either hip-hop DJs, for whom the physicality of touching records is essential, or some sort of top40 DJ, who thinks what they do is the dog's balls. Many DJs are threatened by technology and change and feel intimidated by all the noobs coming into the scene, having access to digital music, access to DJ software instead of the turntables, learning how to use the software faster than the old skool DJs can, and picking some great tunes. Not all of the newbies are great, most aren't, but the threat is still there. There was much debate about CDs vs. vinyl and how CDs were cheating and not "true" format. In the end, it's whatever works for you.

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