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Originally posted by Zild Not one bit as I only consider hard sciences to be real science, but I admit I am biased.

Indeed you are - to stripe both psychology and anthropology of their scientific status is quite unfair, to say the least, because both of them arrive at their results quite systematically (not unlike the hard sciences)

I (think I) can see why you think that way, though, and I'd blame history rather than you

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Originally posted by Lira Indeed you are - to stripe both psychology and anthropology of their scientific status is quite unfair, to say the least, because both of them arrive at their results quite systematically (not unlike the hard sciences) I (think I) can see why you think that way, though, and I'd blame history rather than you

It is important not to confuse the model with reality. Just because we're using models that give us fairly good results doesn't mean that it has anything to do with actual reality or the universe we live in. Such is science, and I feel that psychology and anthropology are completely different.

I'm probably biased though because I worked for a theoretical chemistry professor doing computation and he was always making fun of anthropology since that is what he studied for undergrad.

i have several moral crises every day


sounds like your life is boring

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Originally posted by Zild It is important not to confuse the model with reality. Just because we're using models that give us fairly good results doesn't mean that it has anything to do with actual reality or the universe we live in. Such is science, and I feel that psychology and anthropology are completely different.

How so? I agree with you, but I can't see how physics and anthropology differ on this issue.

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Originally posted by Zild I'm probably biased though because I worked for a theoretical chemistry professor doing computation and he was always making fun of anthropology since that is what he studied for undergrad.

Now that's an uncommon career change

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Originally posted by nefardec i have several moral crises every day

Are you an artist, by any chance?

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Originally posted by Lira How so? I agree with you, but I can't see how physics and anthropology differ on this issue. Now that's an uncommon career change

I feel that stuff like thermodynamics is just a mathematical abstraction to help solve problems but it isn't reality. But I think that stuff like psychology is more rooted in the tactile and the real. It isn't so much a mathematical abstraction to understand behavioral conditioning etc...

my moral dilemmas start before i get out of bed every morning.

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Originally posted by Lira Are you an artist, by any chance?

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Originally posted by nefardec sounds like your life is boring

Haha, fag! *punch*

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

looks like i've brought nothing but sadness to the thread

i'm going to leave now

Actually, my life really could use some excitement. It's very routine and sedate.

Maybe that's why I never run into moral dilemmas.

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Originally posted by Zild I'm probably biased though because I worked for a theoretical chemistry professor doing computation and he was always making fun of anthropology since that is what he studied for undergrad.

Yeah and you'd probably find physicists who laugh at chemistry and don't consider it real science.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe that's why I never run into moral dilemmas.

You never run into moral dilemmas because you�re a vagina.

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Originally posted by Project-K Yeah and you'd probably find physicists who laugh at chemistry and don't consider it real science.

LOL maybe but they wouldn't be justified in the same way a theoretical quantum chemist (i.e. physicist who can count electrons) would by in laughing at an anthropologist.

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Originally posted by Zild LOL maybe but they wouldn't be justified in the same way a theoretical quantum chemist (i.e. physicist who can count electrons) would by in laughing at an anthropologist.

No maybe not. Regardless, when you spend such a significant portion of your life earning a degree it's natural to be defensive, which I suspect is at least part of the reason why so many of these 'traditional' scientists seem to engage in their own respective ego-stroking sessions on a regular basis - especially towards these very young and new fields of study. I have friends at uni who are mostly in these fields so I see a lot of this sort of behavior; students looking down or laughing at other fields based on concepts they themselves don't understand.

Not to say there isn't merit in the dinstinction between social studies and sciences. I do consider sociology and anthropology rather ambiguous in their classification. As a matter of fact most teachers I've had in those fields don't really consider themselves scientists in the traditional sense of the word. It's just that most of the time I've heard it from pure scientists, it wasn't an intelligent discussion so much as it was an immature dick measuring contest.

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Originally posted by nefardec

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Originally posted by Zild I feel that stuff like thermodynamics is just a mathematical abstraction to help solve problems but it isn't reality. But I think that stuff like psychology is more rooted in the tactile and the real. It isn't so much a mathematical abstraction to understand behavioral conditioning etc...

Interesting point of view. I don't think I really want to get into this, but I can assure you that both anthropology and physics face similar problems when it comes to theory and representation.

I face a big one every time I care to engage with it. I have a moral logic worked out that justifies me eating meat. The only trouble is the same logic carried to its conclusion tells me it's okay to be a cannibal, even though the idea feels quite obviously wrong.

every day when i go to work lol

ughh zero integrity left i swear. i love my coworkers though and i could walk to work (save on gas) so i dunno it has its pros and cons...but personal injury is the bottom of the barrell when it comes to areas of law. no one gives a shit about anyone and all the doctors are whores for the industry. just say whatever will win the case, fuck the patients. not that they are even hurt....lol stupid ghetto ass morons thinking they just got a winning lotto ticket because they were rear ended

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I have a moral logic worked out that justifies me eating meat. The only trouble is the same logic carried to its conclusion tells me it's okay to be a cannibal, even though the idea feels quite obviously wrong.

haha

I have the same logical reasoning, but somehow I don't have any moral dillema. I fully realize that my behavior in that regard is completely arbitrary, and I don't seem to have a problem with it.

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Originally posted by Project-K No maybe not. Regardless, when you spend such a significant portion of your life earning a degree it's natural to be defensive, which I suspect is at least part of the reason why so many of these 'traditional' scientists seem to engage in their own respective ego-stroking sessions on a regular basis - especially towards these very young and new fields of study. I have friends at uni who are mostly in these fields so I see a lot of this sort of behavior; students looking down or laughing at other fields based on concepts they themselves don't understand. Not to say there isn't merit in the dinstinction between social studies and sciences. I do consider sociology and anthropology rather ambiguous in their classification. As a matter of fact most teachers I've had in those fields don't really consider themselves scientists in the traditional sense of the word. It's just that most of the time I've heard it from pure scientists, it wasn't an intelligent discussion so much as it was an immature dick measuring contest.

I agree with you on all of this which is why I openly said I was biased. Meaning I'm mostly joking and that if you don't agree with me I fully understand.

Now why don't you go and convince all the major universities of the world that anthropology degrees need to be awarded by the College of Science instead of the College of Liberal Arts.

All I'm saying is once you're in the QM brotherhood you're there for life.

morals are for pussies grow some balls

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Originally posted by Project-K haha I have the same logical reasoning, but somehow I don't have any moral dillema. I fully realize that my behavior in that regard is completely arbitrary, and I don't seem to have a problem with it.

Well, yeah. It's not that I suddenly go "Oh shit!" and throw down my fork. The dilemma usually ends with me thinking "Morals are fucking stupid. I'm getting some steak in."

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well, yeah. It's not that I suddenly go "Oh shit!" and throw down my fork. The dilemma usually ends with me thinking "Morals are fucking stupid. I'm getting some steak in."

lol

+1 to this

Avoiding moral dilemma's isn't bad - that's what you're supposed to do, avoid so you are not tempted. Duh. I do that with all aspects of life. If I know a story is going in a direction that's going to upset me, I say "I really appreciate that you're trying to tell me this story, but I know it's going to bother me, so I really don't want to hear it."

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