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gun laws...

the current gun laws are a shambles, and are wrongly interpreted from the constitution. the constitution states that every man (and woman now) has the right to defend his land. this is now taken as "everyone has the right to own a gun to shoot the robbers".. NO! it was meant as this "every man has the right to defend his COUNTRY"..

gun laws are another reason why ppl think americans are stupid/lazy/whatever...

example: the US has loose gun laws which allow any citizen over the age of whatever to own a gun with a license. they have 9846709673% more gun related crimes and violent deaths a year than the UK which has very very strict gun laws. Our police do not generally walk around with guns (they do in some situations).. they do not have the need to. police with guns = criminals with guns.

blah blah im goin sideways here lol

*clap Rengade*

Perfectly summed it up, in words I couldn't really find when I got too pissed off,

Now for the real tester, will Americans agree with what you wrote?
Anyone?

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Originally posted by Vitryss Now for the real tester, will Americans agree with what you wrote? Anyone?

I think you have to wait a couple of hours for this.. most of them are probably enjoying there nightrest at this moment .. or the alarm is just going of ...

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Originally posted by Orbax #1 Americans work longer than anyone else in the world and have less vacation time. Im not talking about 5th world non existant countries with 15 hour a day child labor. im talking civilization.

thats wrong, japanese people are working longer, and the only have 2 weeks vacations in one year. and its a shame for them to take this 2 weeks vacation. but the americans work more than germans thats right . only my father is working from 8 to 8, normally they work here from 8 or 9 to 4 or 5 and on friday only to 2. and on saturdays everybodys at home. thats one reason why my country becomes more and more poor.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well right now there is a thread posted by a MOD that asks the question "Are Americans Lazy"..and there is even a poll posted...this thread goes on toimply that Americans are lazy because we use cars to go places and the such...go read it..

Coup wasn't being serious, at least it was clear to me that it wasn't. However, whether it was appropriate or not is another matter.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Then last week there was a threas about tracks that are about September 11th...like tracks that make u think about the attacks in an emotional way...well in that thread Dumonde Trancer made a very insulting and offense remark by saying Flight 643..

I have to admit I have heard some offensive remarks/jokes made about sept. 11th for both 'sides'. But as u, tiesto14, said:

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well noone, not even America can defend against a blind-sided attack such as the cowardly attacks of September 11th....and not for nothing but the terrorists couldnt even attack us taht good when u REALLY think about it...the survival rate of September 11th was around 93% of the people targeted that day..thats a better rate the heart disease and most any other disease..so it goes to show u that America may not of been prepared but we sure withstood it with a superb survival rate....

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Then there is the on going abuse of are president George Bush...like he is the devil or soemthing...

It's just fucking political criticism ffs. If Thatcher came to power again in the UK I would welcome criticism, I would be criticising her myself. If the BNP (racist party) got in I would be heavily criticising them. If Le Pen got elected in france I would be criticising him. The same goes for Bush, I personally take a very dim view of him, he shouldn't even be in as it is! Just because someone criticises one of ur poltical leaders doesn't make it an attack on ur own country. After all that would make opposition politicians unable to criticise Bush because they would be criticising America, maybe they'd be right though eh?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Then all the attacks on are laws and the such..

Again I don't see how attacks on laws are a direct bashing of America. Depends how it's being discussed though I suppose, but I would welcome criticism of my own countries laws too, and indeed I do criticise them. If your referring to ones like Americans shutting down German nightclubs etc. then are you really suprised? If Europe came and interferred in your countries affairs would you be pleased?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 there are many many little comments thrown hear and there about Americans...purely to flame us....if u havent seen them , well then u dont look or u just dont care...

The majority of comments I have seen actually have evidence/text supporting them. Lots of them are fair criticisms.

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Originally posted by Orbax Europeans should have a better communications system,

Don't know much about this.

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Originally posted by Orbax a less corrupt populace, a less corrupt police force

Where did you get that from?

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Originally posted by Orbax a less corrupt government.

ROFL at least most (if not all) European governments got actually won the elections and got the majority of votes etc. At least European governments didn't have to swindle black ppl out of the vote 2 win, at least they didn't win by a couple of votes in most cases. Need I say ENRON, ESSO, ENRON, ESSO, ENRON, ESSO

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Originally posted by Orbax Europeans should quit sitting on the fence until its clear who will win and then bash the losers.

What we don't bash the losers, we just don't want to take military action against every1 who comes in our path. We are more diplomatic..

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Originally posted by Orbax Europeans need to get out of Americas '80s.

AMERICA GO BACK TO THE 80s PLEASE!!!

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Originally posted by Orbax Europeans need to quit trying to make themselves look better bashing America. Europeans think they are so frigging "with it" that they can sit back and bash America like the rest of the fucking world.

LOL trying to make ourselves look better hahaha I'm not even gonna put a propa comment 4 this 1.

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Originally posted by Orbax ENOUGH. Every country has problems. You guys look to US every time.

YES EVERY COUNTRY HAS IT'S PROBLEMS, not every country inflicts them on others so much though. NO ONE IN THIS FORUM pretends that their country is PERFECT, many are critical of their own countries.

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Originally posted by Orbax Thats EXACTLY why we feel superior.

Your criticised in the first place becuz of ur superior attitude in many cases????

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Originally posted by Orbax No one bitches about Englands loss of economic motivation.

Erm, the economy seems fine atm, maybe we aren't destroying the planet quick enough, or possibly not pulling out of energy agreements etc.? Or maybe it could be the government doesn't take enough money of big companies?

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Originally posted by Orbax No one bitches about the availability of cars in spain. No one bitches about anything other than the US because all eyes are drawn to it for some reason.

Strangely most people care more about blowing up a country to get hold of some guy that attacked you and apparently failing to do so, threatening to take other countries, and interferring in other countries business (refer back to german nightclub again) more important than some country not having enough cars. REALLY WIERD ISN'T IT????

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Originally posted by Orbax Take an introspective look like we have to every day because we are under constant barrage and see how great your country is in all of the things you talk about America. Our transportation sucks? My family has 13 cars. Id say we are doing well in that department.

13 cars that's fucking ridiculous, that does suck because you should have public transport and quit polluting the world so much.

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Originally posted by Orbax Our pollution and filth? London and Rome! If people are going to be addressing such global issues as transportatin, pollution, diet, and other things, look at the WHOLE WORLD, instead of pickin the big dog and going after it like a bunch of jackals.

Manhatten (an area of New York - might not be correct name) does more harm to the environment in a 1 SINGLE WEEK than LONDON DOES IN 52 WEEKS - A YEAR!!! So it's obviously not America that uses up more resources than the rest of the world put together, obviously not America that buys up other countries energy/pollution quotas, obviously not Americans that generate more waste than just about everyone else on the planet. I'm obviously wrong, or rather my sources were.


Now I'm not pissed off, I'm not angry, I'm just fine that you've criticsed Europe, that's fair enough. There are problems in Europe. Instead of getting all angry about it why not just throw some better arguments back at us, instead of taking it personally and critically wait a minute and think, is it really being critical of you.

Tiesto14, why do you feel so victimised, theres all sorts of abusing crap being flung around these boards, just because once in a while it has something to do with america you thinks it becomes more important? well there your answer why people mock you in the first place!

and another thing, im sure some people may have lost love ones in sept 11th, but lets get one thing straight, you all (or most) seem to of acted like your country has been carpet bombed with nukes! millions of people die from starvation etc in other countries but because it doesnt affect your country i doubt you even notice! people joke about other things like ceratin causes of death, i dunno take aids or scucide for example for example, you may joke baout them but how do you not know TAs have lost love ones to that? you can have one set of rules for urself and another set for everyone else!

people over reacact to stuff, take the topic on the irc channel for instance

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[11:45] *** Now talking in #tranceaddict [11:45] *** Topic is 'day of the word = dyslexia || GO LEAFS GO || august 24th: Marco V at The Guvernment featuring: Swamper, Redeye & Twilogoddess, Starf0x & Rubyriva, and Richierich! || I had a whole clan of hookers' [11:45] *** Set by Swamper on Wed May 29 05:03:07

imm dyslexic, and in the past has caused a few problems with my education but its sorted and i can take a joke.


people should lightne up, yeah any kind of death is wrong but theres no need to carry on so much about it

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Originally posted by Juricimo I am grateful to live in the BEST and MOST PROSPEROUS country in the WORLD where I have more OPPORTUNITY to succeed and be free from persecution, and other bullshit that goes on in other countries.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR

rofl

tiesto14 u have caused all this! in my poll, i used the smiliey, which means JOKE / HAVE A LAFF / DONT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY and then u come barging in here and have caused a big fck off riot!

In most the yanks posts (yeah lets use yanks, get u more het up) uve churned out we are suporior, we this, we that, blah blah, this statement sums it all up-

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Originally posted by tiesto14 in the poll then why are we more superior then your little ass country...

and orbax has been churning out this crap all day (if u put side the 4 year old attitude) and tu_face got it also, if u all wernt so far up ur own arses then urd take how this started as a joke, my end comment in the poll was -

Now americans get off ur arse more

that is a JOKE!!!

grr, dunno what else to sAY!

If there's one thing I know about AMerica, is that they are fat and stupid.




























Bet I got ya all riled up didn't ya?!

Anyways, if theres one thing america knows what to do, its being patriotic. American's love their country a lot. In Britian, its almost the complete opposite.

It's been almost 'illegal' to be English. The laws are getting changes so that White people are being outlawed.

Example 1: Students at a university were told to take down an English flag in preparation for the World Cup, as it was deemed to offend other minorities. WTF? Pardon me, but what is wronfg with supporting your own country?

Old words have been banned, cos they are deemed to be politically incorrect, and might offend ethnic minorties. For fucks sake, calling "black ice" (the ice on a road that is invisible) is not racist, its a goddamn colour.

The phrase "getting down to the nitty-gritty" has been outlawed, cos ages ago, in the age of slavery, a slave was sent down to the bottom of a ship to clean all the grit or something.

The phrase "a good egg" has been banned, cos it is related to "egg and spoon" from which the word rhymes with "coon" (A derogratory word for coloured people) If anything, how would a foreign person know what the hell it's derived from?

You might think that I am a proud white person, angry that the country has lost it's identity.

Wrong, I'm a vietnamese person. And my parents came to the UK after fleeing the communist regime of Vietnam.

I'm proud to be British. SO are my parents. They came here with nothing, but persevered to be the people they are today (one is a teacher, one is a senior administrative manager for Royal MAil). They work and pay the taxes. They are particularly disgusted at the hordes of asylum seekers/illegal immigrants that are coming to the country. Why? These people come to the UK to feed on the benefits that my parents taxes pay. Nothing wrong with that you mgiht think. But the matter of the fact is, if the regime in say IRaq/afgahnistan etc was so bad, surely they would be gald to end up in any decent western country! They make a massive journey passing through many affluent countries (Germany, France, Italy etc) but they delight in getting to here and getting free stuff. I'd guess that they wouldn't bothere with schooling etc or getting a proper job either. Its no surprise then that a lot of racial tension occurs in some areas.

I delight in Britain doing well at something (good luck to the lads in JApan), I've got an education and I'm proud to be British. So should evey other British people. The Govvernment needs to look at its own people before diverting all their resources into something else.

Oh yeh, my only complaint is that American's are a bit too patriotic, which is reflected by hollywood into the movies. Only too many films have been made with the wrong viewpoints, or details which lead to the film portraying the AMerican's as the winners. (U571 is an example, it was a British submarine or something that actually was successful) PEarl HArbour is another example, of toning down the actual real devastation that the JApanese did.

But at least your patriotic.

WE'd probably be arreseted if ENgland won the world cup and we went out cheering, for disturbing the peace, and/or inciting racial tension!

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Originally posted by Coup tiesto14 u have caused all this! in my poll, i used the smiliey, which means JOKE / HAVE A LAFF / DONT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY and then u come barging in here and have caused a big fck off riot! In most the yanks posts (yeah lets use yanks, get u more het up) uve churned out we are suporior, we this, we that, blah blah, this statement sums it all up- and orbax has been churning out this crap all day (if u put side the 4 year old attitude) and tu_face got it also, if u all wernt so far up ur own arses then urd take how this started as a joke, my end comment in the poll was - Now americans get off ur arse more that is a JOKE!!! grr, dunno what else to sAY!

hahah i never saw tiesto14's quote in their, hahahahahahahaha!!!!!




so fuckin stupid...

Oh yeah who wrote that thing about corrupt police forces in Europe???

ASide from the Hong Kong police, which are the most corrupt in the world, doesn't the LAPD come a very close second for corruption?

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Originally posted by dj_mdma For fucks sake, calling "black ice" (the ice on a road that is invisible) is not racist, its a goddamn colour.

lol yeh my little cousin isnt a llowed to sing "baa baa black sheep" at school because it meanna be racist, its so fucking retarded.

i mean baa baa green sheep, what the fuck?!

tiesto14, get fucking over it. Why the fuck does it bother you what other people say? I've seen you take anything negative to the word "American" personally on other forums too.

Just exactly how old are you?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 TO "rkriete" I AM FROM AMERICA.....WHO ARE YOU CALLING IGNORANT....YOU THINK YOU KNOW ALL.....THAT WAS A STUPID STATEMENT......AND PEOPLE WHO SEND STUPID STATEMENTS ARE INTURN VERY VERY IGNORANT.....

First off:

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Anyway..we all come from Africa anyhow Africa RULES

WERD sistah! (I'm Capetonian )

I'm just gonna put in a few comments regarding different things I picked up throughout this thread.

a) As for Coup's JOKE... there are stats proving that America has the highest obesity and consumption of fast food rates on the planet.
Whereas this doesn't mean they are ALL lazy, it tends to make one think. It also makes it easier to contextualise the joke.

b) Patriotism. No doubt about it, America is the most patriotic in the world. And this surely starts to irritate those people from countries who are proud, but don't go around boasting it all the time.
Not saying that patriotism is a bad thing, it can just sometimes come across as a "neener-neener-nee-ner, my countries better than your's".

c) The whole Super-power thing. Bollocks. The lines that once determined what countries were Super-powers is heavily blurred. Almost every, if not every, country has at least 1 nuke. And as economy/population/etc goes, I see Japan becoming the next Super-power in the next 15-30 years, much like America was for the 80s and 90s.

d) Sept 11th. A tradegy no doubt. But some of the decisions made regarding it left me feeling rather doubtful of America. Someone reminded me the other day of America's policy for countries holding terrorists. If Bin Laden was found to be hiding out in a township in Cape Town, America would bomb it. Bomb my home town...? NO! Thats just stupid. And yet, people must realise that America is one HUGE place, and not all the people living there feel the same way about things.

I know my points have bounced around like Cyber-kiddie on too much speed, but I hope I got my thoughts across.

Coz I think a contributing factor to the America-bashing thing on this forum, is how noticebly far behind SOME parts of America are with regards to the dance music scene. Having watched the movies 'Go' and 'Groove', it's easy to see that the scene is very different from the rest of the world. It would seem that South Africa, Europe and Australia have similar levels of the scene, whereas America and the Orient both have different ones.

Cheerz
kr00t0n

My U.S.A. Opinion

I am an american living in the U.S.A. and right now especially after mr. bush became president I have a certain hatred inside myself towards my country. First of all this is not the land of the free, but I am sure it is more free then many countries, but alot of americans brag about something that they don't even have "freedom." Second of all the Mr. Bush is probably the closest to evil you can get, still trying keep this country running by oil even though it may take destorying are one of are great wild life refuges in Alaska (that is sick)! also I think that bush is abusing his power severly! Look at what we have done to afganistan, just for a few select members of a certain group, it we even got those select taliban or bin laden terroism would probably only grow.
I am disgusted when I walk down the street or here in class what my other fellow americans think, "lets nuke every country but The Us, and maybe canada, cause the canadians are our friends"

class time
to be continued

Tiesto14, I can't say I have noticed much of the stuff you've mentioned.

Quite a lot of the stuff being said is not "US-BASHING", it is bashing a particular law, or American politicians, or some such.

Bare in mind that 300 million people live in America. When someone attacks RIAA, or McDonalds, or or Pres. Bush, it's got nothing to do with you. You shouldn't take it as an attack on yourself.

Here in Britain, we take the piss out of ourselves all the time. Noone is frightened to admit our rail service is amongst the shittest in the first world, as is our health service, that our Prime Minister is an arsehole, that our deputy PM has a face like a bulldog, or that we still bang on about how we won the world cup 36 bloody years ago,
or anything else. In fact our News channels constantly take the piss. Noone really gets worked up about it though.

Quite a lot of people seem to think Americans are insecure. I for one think there is a lot of insecurity in the US, just from people I've met and seen on the net. How many countries, for example, argue that guns should be legalised for 'self defence'? And all the flag waving that is done in the US is more so than anywhere else. And threads like this; whenever someone criticises American law it is "US bashing". Just chill, we're not out to get you, but when you start acting so insecure, you make yourself an easy target for piss-taking. And don't forget that noone likes a bragger.

As for the September 11 stuff, I haven't been reading the chill out forum much the last few weeks, but to be honest I've never seen much insensitive behaviour here. I can understand why you might get worked up, but just ignore it. In Britain, thousands of innocents and hundreds of soldiers have been killed by the IRA, a terrorist organisation which gets it's funding from America. Yet we don't kick up a stink.

If there was blatant anti-American sentiment on these boards, I'd agree about speaking up about it, but I honestly don't think there is.

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Originally posted by Palivar

get off my brick

i will just take a moment to say b4 this thread gets closed, that coup has managed to achieve a flame war in one day that only i could dream of! bravo!

actually...


well there was that one time........

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Here in Britain, we take the piss out of ourselves all the time. Noone is frightened to admit our rail service is amongst the shittest in the first world, as is our health service, that our Prime Minister is an arsehole, that our deputy PM has a face like a bulldog, or that we still bang on about how we won the world cup 36 bloody years ago, or anything else. In fact our News channels constantly take the piss. Noone really gets worked up about it though.

ANGUS DEAYTON SHAGS PROZZI & SNORTS COKE & THEN GOES ON TV
There, a famous tv figure married infact, shagged a prozzi & snorting coke and went on tv! thats shameful to our country we laff about it! if ur heads wernt so up ur arse and we're the best attitude, u would gain alot more respect from people.

And whats wrong with our train service? i dunno what ur talking about

Re: My U.S.A. Opinion

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Originally posted by sbriggs I am an american living in the U.S.A. and right now especially after mr. bush became president I have a certain hatred inside myself towards my country. First of all this is not the land of the free, but I am sure it is more free then many countries, but alot of americans brag about something that they don't even have "freedom." Second of all the Mr. Bush is probably the closest to evil you can get, still trying keep this country running by oil even though it may take destorying are one of are great wild life refuges in Alaska (that is sick)! also I think that bush is abusing his power severly! Look at what we have done to afganistan, just for a few select members of a certain group, it we even got those select taliban or bin laden terroism would probably only grow. I am disgusted when I walk down the street or here in class what my other fellow americans think, "lets nuke every country but The Us, and maybe canada, cause the canadians are our friends" class time to be continued

WELL SAID!!

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Originally posted by Coup ANGUS DEAYTON SHAGS PROZZI & SNORTS COKE & THEN GOES ON TV There, a famous tv figure married infact, shagged a prozzi & snorting coke and went on tv! thats shameful to our country we laff about it! if ur heads wernt so up ur arse and we're the best attitude, u would gain alot more respect from people. And whats wrong with our train service? i dunno what ur talking about

yeh its great, it never was late by 5 minute and made me miss my coach back to darlington at the weekend so i was stuck in chestefield with no money for another dya and had to get my mum to bail me out by ordering a ticket to be picked up. nothing wrong at all!

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