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Even better!
Ashley Mote, the man who joined the fascist party in the European Parliament and was sent to jail for fraud! This is the man Trancer-X uses as one of his chief witnesses!
I've simply learned to listen to the message without bias while using my intellect to distinguish between right and wrong, I guess. I don't want the guy to be a former felon or whatever but what he's saying in this next video fits in with everything else that's going on right now.
Ashley Mote MEP - We Must Not Ratify The Lisbon Treaty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDGNExyA8qs
Trancer-x, seriously, research your sources...
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| Originally posted by George Smiley So Trancer-X, tell me what YOU don't like about the Treaty |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley So Trancer-X, tell me what YOU don't like about the Treaty |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Trancer-x, seriously, research your sources... |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X The source is that POS Lisbon Treaty. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley So Trancer-X, tell me what YOU don't like about the Treaty |
Don't you even bother to investigate the facts surrounding these issues, pkc, or do you just mindlessly repeat every bit of pro-EU, pro-New World Order, and/or pro-Socialist propaganda that you hear?
I mean, why should I even have to bother dignifying such a horrendously fallacious line of argumentation with a response?
I think it's been made rather clear that although the Irish people VOTED NO on the Lisbon Treaty that they still had to fight to prevent it from being shoved down their throats anyway!
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| 'No bulldozing' Irish on EU vote Miliband: 'No question of ignoring Irish vote' David Miliband has said there is no question of "bulldozing" Ireland into voting again on the EU Treaty - but Britain will continue to ratify it. The foreign secretary said it was right to "respect" the Irish decision - but also right to "take our own decision". He said it was for the Irish PM to decide on his next move and whether to "apply the last rites" to the treaty. Without the support of all 27 EU states it cannot become law. The Tories say Britain should vote on the treaty. Mr Miliband told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "There is no question of bulldozing, or bamboozling or ignoring the Irish vote. "We have got to wait for the Irish government to decide what they're going to do next." "The rules are absolutely clear, if all 27 countries do not pass the Lisbon Treaty it cannot pass into law." Parliamentary rules But he said the EU (Amendment) Bill, which ratifies the Treaty in the UK Parliament, should continue through the Lords. "It's right that we respect the Irish decision, but it's also right that we take our own decision - we're about 95% of the way through the Parliamentary process ... there's a final vote on Wednesday...
Asked whether he accepted that the treaty is dead, he said it was for the Irish PM to decide on his next move: "If you like he's got to decide whether or not to apply the last rites. We've got to listen to his analysis of what went wrong." Mr Miliband said "one option" was to carry on with the old rules, without the treaty, which was designed to help the EU cope with its expansion into eastern Europe. 'Terrible muddle' He said a "two tier" Europe, with some countries pressing ahead with greater integration and others being left behind was not something that was "in our interests or going to happen". He added: "It's a bit messy at the moment, but let's work our way through it."
He said: "Let's treat this as a wake-up call and stop this centralising agenda and abandon this treaty." Earlier Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, who supports the treaty, said it was now "highly unlikely" that it would ever be implemented. "We should not just somehow airbrush out of history the Irish vote. I really hope that the European elites won't behave with the arrogance that a lot of people think they should," he told The Andrew Marr Show. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7455388.stm |
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Stop the ratification process, says Hague Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said the Government should now halt the ratification process in Britain in the light of the Irish vote. "Alone in Europe they have had the chance to make their views known. If democracy in the EU is to mean anything their decision must be respected," he said. "The British Government must respect the Irish people's verdict. Ratification of the Lisbon Treaty in Parliament must be stopped immediately." He said that if Government still wanted to go ahead with ratification, it must now give people in Britain a say through a referendum. "There are now no excuses left for denying the British people their say. So unless it is agreed that this Treaty is dead and buried it is essential that the British people have their say," he said. "There is no justification for the Irish people being allowed their say while the British are denied theirs." He added: "This is a great day for Britain and the peoples of Europe. Now is the time to end the old top-down Europe which the Irish have so decisively rejected. It is time to renew the European Union on respect for its people's wishes." Sammy Wilson, the new Northern Ireland Environment Minister and DUP MP for East Antrim, welcomed the No vote. "The people of the United Kingdom were not given the opportunity to have their say on the Lisbon Treaty, despite the fact that all parties had promised in their manifestos to hold a referendum. "I have no doubt that if we were given the opportunity to have our say, the UK would have voted as the Republic of Ireland has. Unfortunately we were robbed of our promised chance to let Europe know what we actually think of this treaty." The result sent a very strong message to leaders in Europe that the European Constitution was dead. "It was firmly rejected by the French and Dutch and it was rejected by the Irish when it was disguised as the Lisbon Treaty. There now must be no attempt whatsoever to bring this failed constitution back in any format," said the MP. He predicted EU leaders would try to resurrect the treaty by tweaking it enough so people would be fooled into thinking that it was a different document. He pledged; "The DUP however will continue to oppose any attempt to undermine British sovereignty and the primacy of Parliament." Liberal Democrat MEP Chris Davies said the European Union would "muddle on" despite the rejection, "At its heart, the EU is simply a mechanism that allows 27 countries with shared values to work together. The process is slow, confused, and occasionally shambolic, but it is the best we have." Mr Davies added: "The defeat of the constitution didn't destroy the EU and nor will this defeat of the treaty. When the fuss has died down Europe's government will still have to muddle on together and deal with the problems they face in common." Fellow Liberal Democrat Andrew Duff said it was a "tragic outcome" for Ireland, the EU and Europe's place in the world: "The problems that this treaty address remain the same - democracy, efficiency and our capacity to act. The treaty is in the very best interests of all the member states. "Brian Cowen will have some tough explaining to do next week at the EU summit. EU leaders should not delay a decision about how to tackle the problem. If a solution is to be found it needs to be done soon." UKIP leader Nigel Farage said the only people to have a public voice on the treaty had "kicked it into the long grass". He went on: "I suspect that the EU extremists will simply try to ignore it." He said the process of the treaty through the House of Lords next week had now to be halted "because the project now has no legitimacy". Tory peer Lord Tebbit commented: "Perhaps now both the European Union and the British Government will understand that wherever the Treaty or the constitution have been put to the people, the people have rejected it. "For Britain to ratify the Treaty which has been rejected wherever people have been given their say would be a nonsense. "If Brown wants to ratify the Treaty, despite the Irish vote, he should hold a referendum here, and as far as the EU is concerned, it should now understand that the people of Europe are not prepared to go farther and deeper into the process of creating a European state," he added. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gue-846791.html |
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| �Respect the Irish Vote� The protest in the Strasbourg plenary on June 18th By Roger Helmer MEP  Pictured: Myself, Chris Heaton-Harris and Syed Kamall Another Strasbourg demo. Probably another fine in the offing. On June 18th the parliament debated the outcome of the Irish referendum. A group of us were determined to make the case for democracy, so we appeared in green T-shirts with the slogan �Respect the Irish vote�. And carefully concealed about our persons we had several well-rolled banners, a dozen feet long, with the same slogan. As Commission President Barroso rose to speak, we all rose in our places and stood. Since we had attracted particular opprobrium last time for chanting �Referendum� over the remarks of the Portuguese Prime Minister, we exercised vast self-restraint this time and stood in dignified silence. We also unfurled the banners. I shared mine with my comrade Dan Hannan. Of course the ushers arrived, right on cue, to confiscate the banners. They had been hovering anxiously for some time and trying to work out where trouble would strike � as though the T-shirts were not a sufficient give-away. Somehow they got hold of Dan�s end of our banner, but I was determined to hold on to mine, and an unseemly tug-of-war ensued. Finally they let go. I staggered backwards against the row behind, and then we quietly reinstated the banner for several more minutes, until courtesy demanded that we submit to the authority of parliament. But by that time, the job had been done. As usual, the parliament averted its electronic eye, and the official video coverage of the event will show not a hint of protest. But of course we had our own still and video cameras all over the place like a rash, and good if amateur coverage should be on YouTube very soon. Amusingly, many of the speakers, sparked by our slogan, insisted that of course they respected the result of the Irish vote. But in the same breath they insisted that ratification should continue in the other 26 member states. This despite the fact that under their own rules, ratification requires all 27 to agree, so further ratification is redundant. You will recall that after the French and Dutch No votes in 2005, Tony Blair insisted that the EU Constitution could no longer be ratified, and that therefore there was no point in proceeding with a UK referendum. That logic now seems to have been forgotten. The EU plan seems to be to ratify in 26 states, and then present Ireland with a fait accompli. Either they will have to vote again, or Brussels will invent some legal fudge (perhaps using the Croatia accession treaty) to bring Ireland on-side. Fortunately there are still a few flies in Brussels� ointment. There is increasing pressure on Brown in the UK to reconsider, with the Wheeler legal challenge, the new Open Europe poll, and so on. We are hearing that the Treaty is meeting headwinds in both Poland and the Czech Republic � keep an eye on those countries. In any case the anticipated schedule, of an EU Council in October and implementation before the 2009 euro-elections, cannot now be met. So we can turn next year�s euro-elections into the referendum we never had. I can�t wait. http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com...-the-irish-vote |
still no answer then huh? More long-winded quotes that don't mean a damned thing? Are you scared of debating george on the matter? I don�t blame you, he knows an awful lot more about this than you ever will.
In reponse to your query:
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Don't you even bother to investigate the facts surrounding these issues, pkc, or do you just mindlessly repeat every bit of pro-EU, pro-New World Order, and/or pro-Socialist propaganda that you hear? |
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| European Parliament (Strasbourg) 16-18 June 2008. Reactions to the Irish No to the Lisbon Treaty. In order of appearance:
"Barroso: European Union is 'empire' (short version)". Watch video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Ralocq9uE .................................. Note on the rejected EU Constitution and Lisbon Treaty: The people of France and the Netherlands rejected the proposed EU constitution in the 2005 referendums. After this, other countries cancelled a promised referendum and the EU Constitution was re-written as an "amending treaty" or a "reform treaty" and named "Treaty of Lisbon". On the basis of this deceit, they claimed that no referendums are necessary on the Lisbon Treaty. Ireland was constitutionally required to hold a referendum and on the 12 June 2008 the people of Ireland gave a resounding No to Lisbon. Yet this vote is not being respected and the rule of law is being ignored. The EU leaders agreed at the June 19-20 EU Summit that ratifications must go on. Moreover, no other government is asking the people. The Lisbon Treaty establishes a new "European Union" with joint citizenship - an EU "federal" State that is technically and politically empowered to centralize more power in Brussels. The treaty also stipulates the militarisation of the Union in order to 'police the world' just like the US does today. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Can you give me any reason why I should? BTW, I have no doubt whatsoever that you have no idea who Nigel Farage is and only happened upon him by searching for predetermined items and Farage happened to match the crap you searched for, so you automatically post him up as if he's going to prove you point: Fail |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X I mean, why should I even have to bother dignifying such a horrendously fallacious line of argumentation with a response? |
Right now it doesn't matter who or what Nigel Farage is. It's the truth that he speaks that matters to me.
Is ANYONE perfect? I seem to doubt it.
Was JFK perfect? No. He was an adulterer
MLK? No. He was one, too.
America's Founding Fathers? No. Many were slave owners.
Was Ghandi? Well, he was close to perfect but he also used to drink his own pee. 
Is Nigel Farage perfect? Of course not but at least he's standing up for the rights of the Irish people as well as for those of us who don't want to see the eventual implementation of a fascist world government.
It sounds like the EU wants Britain to fail as well. 
UKIP's Trevor Colman: Britain On The Brink, European Union Conspiracy
It's strange, because the first true union of states, the United States of America benefited from such a union. Wouldn't it be in Europe's best interest to do that same? Then again, European states are much different from the American states. European states are essentially based on ethnic ground, i.e. Germans, French, English, Italian, etc. It's understandable for these state's citizens to be wary of forfeiting their country's sovereignty to a supra-national federation. In the United States, each state was essentially made up of the same ethnicity...white settlers and their black slaves. The EU must decide where to draw the line between European Parliament rule, and the national sovereignty of each nation.
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