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A survey by ESPN has revealed the extent of Formula One�s struggle to capture the imagination of American sports fans. It ranked fourth out of all motor sports in a popularity poll. Top was NASCAR with three-fifths of the vote (59.5%), followed by NHRA drag racing (13.4%) and motorcycle racing (9.7%). Only 6.3% of fans voted for Formula One, but it did rank ahead of the two US single-seater series the Indy Racing League (6.1%) and Champ Car (1.4%). Scott Speed, Scuderia Toro Rosso-Cosworth, Barcelona, 2006The poll underlines the general lack of enthusiasm for �road racing� in America - NASCAR and IRL racing is predominantly oval-based and and drag racing is, of course, the art of going in a straight line as quickly as possible. Formula One has a lot of work to do to repair its reputation in the States after a farcical six-car race in 2005 and the infamous Ferrari �dead heat� in 2002. The presence of American Scott Speed (pictured) may help, but the quality of racing also needs to greatly improve to win over American audiences weaned on high-action sports.

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But that�s not the greatest difference between the two. No - what really separates them, and what should trouble the likes of Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley the most, is that NASCAR serves up constant racing and overtaking week in, week out. Formula One cannot compete with that. So dependent are the F1 cars on their aerodynamics that overtaking is virtually impossible, as has been clear in a string of catatonically dull Grands Prix this year. F1 may straddle the globe, unlike US-centric NASCAR, but the racing it imported to Sepang, Imola, Barcelona, Silverstone, Indianapolis and Magny-Cours this year was hardly first-class.

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Originally posted by elFreak i was just stating a company that would throw millions at events, i know it could not happen. look how many F 1 drivers are going to Nascar nach...there is a lot of money in it, its growth is a lot bigger than F 1.

The only one i know is the old bmw driver Montoya who was a pretty good driver back when bmw was in tip top shape. Too much money is made in by formula 1 drivers for them to move to nascar. f1 still has the best technology in cars today, and its the most expensive sport in the world. I dont think a big heap of chevy or ford box indimidates mclaren or ferrari.


Has there been other f1 drivers that have gone to nascar that i am not aware of?

while i agree that it is more expensive, it does not make it for a more entertaining race..

read the articles i posted.

drag racing, motorcycle racing, nascar are all more popular...so they go somewhere that this problem does not exist.

Jacques Villeneuve is also in Nascar, and if you google you will see that many teams are courting current F - 1 drivers.

Nascar makes big bucks with an overhead cost that is miles under f -1.

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Originally posted by elFreak while i agree that it is more expensive, it does not make it for a more entertaining race..

Nascar more entertaining than f1? No way jose. Someone running around anti-clock wise is not fun. Not even the faster IRL cars running in an oval are fun tow watch.

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Nascar makes big bucks with an overhead cost that is miles under f -1

Thats true, probably the cost of running a nascar team is a fraction of what it cost to run a formula 1 team.



As for drivers doing the move... a quick google search
http://www.forbes.com/2008/06/11/to...ingdrivers.html

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The top-earning NASCAR drivers make more money off the racetrack than on it. Jeff Gordon, the sport's all-time leading money winner, made $32 million over the last year; $17 million came from endorsements and royalties on merchandise, and $15 million came from his salary and race winnings. Dale Earnhardt Jr., the second-highest earner at $31 million, made $21 million from licensing and endorsement income from the likes of PepsiCo (nyse: PEP - news - people ), Anheuser-Busch (nyse: BUD - news - people ) and Adidas (other-otc: ADDDY.PK - news - people ). Earnhardt's passionate following, which has its origins in his famous father's career, has translated into an abundance of riches despite his declining performance (he won six Sprint Cup races in 2004 but only two since).

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/n...ae-02ebdde529e9

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Schumacher, a seven-time world champ who retired at the end of last season, was the highest paid F1 driver ever at $62.4 million. He made at least another $17 million from personal endorsements and merchandising. In the sports world, only golfer Tiger Woods ($100 million) made more money than Schumacher.

Raikkonen is earing 51 million this season and i imagine around 10 in endorsments.

america does not seem to agree with you nach.

both are fucking boring as hell, at least you see passing and accidents in nascar.

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Originally posted by elFreak america does not seem to agree with you nach. both are fucking boring as hell, at least you see passing and accidents in nascar.

Ya, thats one country in a pool of 190 or so.

No tobacco company would spend 40-50m$ on a racing event for a weekend... trust me, thats alot of money for a weekend.

btw ... it is exiting in my eyes. Check out the highlights of the Singapore race

http://www.formula1.com/services/play_video.html

Just click on Singapore and then high quality. It was the first f1 night race, it happened last weekend.

p.s.
Its short and worthty while

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Originally posted by nchs09 Ya, thats one country in a pool of 190 or so.

the subject here is north american races man...not the rest of the world.

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Originally posted by elFreak the subject here is north american races man...not the rest of the world.

You said popularity, and then brought up movement of drivers from one side to the other. If it was for north america we would all be riding around in chevys playing baseball and hockey. Eating burgers and being fat.

nascar racing is fun for the drivers, there is some strategy implied in that type of racing, and its perfect for the targeted market:
isnt too complicated, oval circuits that maximizes the speed and they cant downshift,only relying on breaks which is insane at the speed they're going, even with ceramic breaks,thats just nuts. So at the end, the potential for spectacular accidents is great, they're cars are huge, so a lot of pieces fly away,and you got 132423536345 cars running at the same time, so just one can have a domino effect. Sometimes i feel its watched just for the accidents. 200+ laps of cars going in circles, i dont personally see the excitement in that,and it has to be hard on the drivers. the potential "racing excitement" comes at the last 30-25 laps i'D say,when there's actually a race going on...but in circles...

How can you seduce a market that its main leader in racing consist in cars driving in circles?!The only way possible is if its create a huge circus around there event...well basically like here in montreal. Then maybe,just maybe, they might see the interest and beauty in driving in a complex circuit, the skills and talent it requires...hahaha who am i kidding, make paris hilton,britney spears and some other celebrities drop in, you'll have something.

oh and there studying the possibility of Qc goverment injecting some money, in exchange of some "return for tax payers"

F1 teams working to reinstate Canada


Although there are suspicions that F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone could be using the Canadian GP situation to improve the financial terms of holding the event, both from the promoters and the teams, there is genuine concern in the paddock about the impact of losing the race from the schedule.

Honda Racing CEO Nick Fry told autosport.com: "I don't think it is a short-term problem, but it is a problem that does need to be addressed. We are a global series and not to be performing in one of the major continents is a serious problem - even more so because it is a continent that is very important for the motor manufacturers who are involved in F1.

"We need to look at the north American continent situation from a more strategic point of view and work out how we increase our popularity. I don't think you can just look at one race � you have to look at the whole situation there and put together a package which increases our appeal in North America. Then, the financial problems we have appearing at just one race in the continent, will go away."

BMW motorsport director Mario Theissen added: "I haven't got any explanation of the decision and how it came about, so I think we will discuss it."

The decision to drop Canada and hand its June 7 date to Turkey was prompted by the teams' desire to have a summer break inserted into next year's calendar.

It is understood that one solution being looked at now is for Canada to return to its original date, and the Turkey event to then switch to early August, just one week after the Hungarian GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71237

i hope to god this will happen.

en direct, sauvetage: http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn2/index.html

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Originally posted by elFreak i hope to god this will happen.

how's ur bet feeling? moist?

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Originally posted by nchs09 http://www.formula1.com/services/play_video.html

That kicked so much ass

Nascar is the DJ Sammy of the racing/engineering world.

And once the KERS system comes into full effect...

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Originally posted by Leif That kicked so much ass Nascar is the DJ Sammy of the racing/engineering world. And once the KERS system comes into full effect..

I'm sorry for being so optimistic, I have lost faith in the administration of this city, province and country.

A mere 6m$ a year is the price to pay to send Montreal to a full anonymousity, that's it Montreal = Big moncton.

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Originally posted by Leif That kicked so much ass Nascar is the DJ Sammy of the racing/engineering world. And once the KERS system comes into full effect...

sometimes you really do talk some shit...


im no nascar enthusiast but to make that comparison just proves you dont know much about nascar and its rules and regulations.

if anything nascar is a much easier to relate to sport than f1, which is so extravagant and most of its fanbase so snobby it makes me want to vomit.

don't shit on nascar when you dont know much about the spot


oh and..

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Ferrari�s vice president Piero Ferrari feels that Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems will not only increase overall cost for the teams but also will not improve the racing. The KERS system, slated for a 2009 introduction, will allow drivers to draw 60kW of energy from the car which can then be used in a Champ Car push to pass manner. Ferrari, however, feels that the system will fail to increase overtaking while increasing the cost to teams. He also used the N word, which wouldn�t win him a lot of fans on this board, for sure. quote: We should reflect on many of the technical and sporting decisions taken in F1 lately. Engines were frozen with the result that all of them now run at 19,000 revolutions, so there�s no difference in power nor revs, and therefore there�s no way you can take advantage of a possible overrevving to try to overtake. We should have done something similar to what NASCAR has done: to set some limits in the regulations, while allowing for researching and re-designing. The way the regulations are right now, we can�t re-design a single part to improve it. It�s excessive. Ferrari have great engine guys twiddling their thumbs. By contrast, they make us spend time and money to design the KERS, for which we can�t evaluate the costs precisely because it�s a new technology. It�s also based on knowledge unknown to traditional engine guys, like high-capacity batteries and high-performance electrical engines, for which you need specialized engineers from outside the motoring world. To acquire that know-how will cause high levels of spending over the years, it�s not the best solution to reduce costs. Engine recovery is fine, but not this way. Too many different systems to recover energy have been permitted. They need to be limited, otherwise costs could go sky-high, with the risk of having to cut drastically on other areas to limit spending, as was done with engines, revs, and electronics. This way we risk to transform an F1 car into a GP2 car, and that must not happen.

ps i love f1, but nascar is cool too

Fuck the F1; bring in Hawtin & M_nus crew.

haha now your talking

though in a way the f1 might have been the event responsible for enough tourists and $$ being spent to actually book someone from the minus crew

Montreal sucks

im glad its not happening

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Originally posted by Adam420 Montreal sucks

yep.

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