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this thread has lost me... but not to the otherside

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Not that I care if Homos can marry or not, but LMAO at all the passionate Fagg0t-loving in this thread. Why are people so passionate about whether fags can marry or not?

Because theres an entire religious right complex pushing in the other direction.

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Not that I care if Homos can marry or not, but LMAO at all the passionate Fagg0t-loving in this thread. Why are people so passionate about whether fags can marry or not?

i'm gay for the constitution

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Not that I care if Homos can marry or not, but LMAO at all the passionate Fagg0t-loving in this thread. Why are people so passionate about whether fags can marry or not?

Probably the same reason why people are so passionate about calling other groups of people derogatory names.

this really isn't about gays, it's about defending the idea of equality and civil rights for all over the idea of institutionalizing discrimination and projecting religious morality upon all of society. i'm more concerned about the precedent marriage bans set than i am the definition of marriage itself. any time the government tries to ban something, you should be concerned.

Ever heard of miscegenation laws? How is prop 8 any different?

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Think it only happened ages ago?

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Any $ helps...even $5 or $10.

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Originally posted by skizzell Probably the same reason why people are so passionate about calling other groups of people derogatory names.

and that group of people (gays) stereotyping and calling other groups of people (religious right/mormons) names!


see how that works

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Originally posted by R!CH any time the government tries to ban something, you should be concerned.

the government isn't trying to ban it.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 and that group of people (gays) stereotyping and calling other groups of people (religious right/mormons) names! see how that works

See how it works when you try to push your own views on others that don't believe? You get offended and stupid. You must be part of the religious right.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 the government isn't trying to ban it.

The government deferred it to the people in an effort to stem the public ridicule.

how about the gov't get rid of marriage period (straight, gay, etc) and make all marriages private ceremonies? too bad those who think this aren't getting their voice heard. It's either you are for gay marriage or you're for straight marriage. Those who endorse this view want equality for all, and that means single people too.

not saying i endorse that, and i'm not saying i don't either, i'm not gonna tell you, but i just see black and white thinking in this issue, and there's always that crazier voice that offends people that gets lost in these debates.

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Originally posted by -FSP- how about the gov't get rid of marriage period (straight, gay, etc) and make all marriages private ceremonies? too bad those who think this aren't getting their voice heard. It's either you are for gay marriage or you're for straight marriage. Those who endorse this view want equality for all, and that means single people not saying i endorse that, and i'm not saying i don't either, i'm not gonna tell you, but i just see black and white thinking in this issue, and there's always that crazier voice that offends people that gets lost in these debates.

I actually don't disagree. Make civil unions the defacto "marriage" and make actual marriages, something that is not recognized by law.

so does that mean that if we don't agree with you, you might hit us with your purse? (sorry I had to)

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel See how it works when you try to push your own views on others that don't believe? You get offended and stupid. You must be part of the religious right.

nope. im agnostic. i just like antagonizing people who antagonize other people with whom they don't agree with.

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The government deferred it to the people in an effort to stem the public ridicule.

public ridicule!??! WAT!? the Supreme court deemed it unconstitutional so the people did the, ya know,... DEMOCRATIC thing and put it to a vote.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 nope. im agnostic. i just like antagonizing people who antagonize other people with whom they don't agree with.

I am agnostic too, but I also side with the people that are being tolerant of others, logical, and proper. Not the religious right (most of the people who are voting for this) that is obsessed with being intolerant.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I am agnostic too, but I also side with the people that are being tolerant of others, logical, and proper. Not the religious right (most of the people who are voting for this) that is obsessed with being intolerant.

and my whole point in this was that i don't see a lot of tolerance on this board for the religious right. i see stereotypes about Mormons still being propagated. how can people condemn a certain group of people for not being tolerant when they themselves are not tolerant of them? (not directed at anyone in particular)

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 and my whole point in this was that i don't see a lot of tolerance on this board for the religious right. i see stereotypes about Mormons still being propagated. how can people condemn a certain group of people for not being tolerant when they themselves are not tolerant of them? (not directed at anyone in particular)

I am a former Mormon, and the only stereotype (that is only propagated by people and NOT the media) is the bigamy.

And the stereotype of the religious right pushing their views, is a stereotype that is either undeserved, nor incorrect. They do this each and every day, constantly.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I am a former Mormon, and the only stereotype (that is only propagated by people and NOT the media) is the bigamy. And the stereotype of the religious right pushing their views, is a stereotype that is either undeserved, nor incorrect. They do this each and every day, constantly.

really? i must being doing something wrong because i can't remember the last time i had religious people pushing their views upon me in ANY way. maybe because im not looking for it?

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 really? i must being doing something wrong because i can't remember the last time i had religious people pushing their views upon me in ANY way. maybe because im not looking for it?

You must be blind or something, but I see it constantly. Movies, Music, etc has to filtered for the religious right, banning gay marriage, not wanting our kids taught about condoms, the different forms of birth control, safe sex, etc. The list goes on.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel You must be blind or something, but I see it constantly. Movies, Music, etc has to filtered for the religious right, banning gay marriage, not wanting our kids taught about condoms, the different forms of birth control, safe sex, etc. The list goes on.

movies and music? hey guess what you have a choice not to listen to it. if you were being forced to listen to it...? yeah no.

banning gay marriage? thats funny because marriage is actually a function of the church so if anything, gay people are trying to force their views upon them.

sex ed? sex ed has been a part of public schools for some time now. even after 8 years of republican right bush. don't see your point there.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 movies and music? hey guess what you have a choice not to listen to it. if you were being forced to listen to it...? yeah no. banning gay marriage? thats funny because marriage is actually a function of the church so if anything, gay people are trying to force their views upon them. sex ed? sex ed has been a part of public schools for some time now. even after 8 years of republican right bush. don't see your point there.

you have a very good point there about marriage, church and forcing views.. and by the way Democrat or Republican. they are all hipocrites and at the end of the day they both shake hands.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 movies and music? hey guess what you have a choice not to listen to it. if you were being forced to listen to it...? yeah no. banning gay marriage? thats funny because marriage is actually a function of the church so if anything, gay people are trying to force their views upon them. sex ed? sex ed has been a part of public schools for some time now. even after 8 years of republican right bush. don't see your point there.

Umm the movie rating system was devised by religious people so that they could control it. The same principals were applied to music.

Marriage: while it started as a religious thing, it is no longer restricted to religion. Atheists get married for shit sakes.

Sex Ed is all about abstinence and not teaching the things that you will actually encounter in daily life. Oh except STDs.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 and that group of people (gays) stereotyping and calling other groups of people (religious right/mormons) names! see how that works

the difference is that "that group of people" isn't trying to deprive the other groups of people of equal rights. gays and people who support their rights can stereotype jesus freaks. you can't compare that to jesus freaks projecting their narrowminded values upon society through lawmaking.

see how that works?

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 the government isn't trying to ban it.

government, people, people using the government, whatever... it really doesn't matter who or how. the constitution guarantees all americans equality of rights and a set of unalienable civil liberties. just because a legal process is used, doesn't mean the action it pursues is legal. the constitution is the supreme law of the land and an unconstitutional california voter initiative, even if passed, is still unconstitutional.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 and my whole point in this was that i don't see a lot of tolerance on this board for the religious right. i see stereotypes about Mormons still being propagated. how can people condemn a certain group of people for not being tolerant when they themselves are not tolerant of them? (not directed at anyone in particular)

i am very tolerant of people who are tolerant of others, but i don't have to tolerate judgmental, self-righteous hypocrites just like i don't have to tolerate racists and bigots.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 banning gay marriage? thats funny because marriage is actually a function of the church so if anything, gay people are trying to force their views upon them.

marriage is not an institution exclusive to christianity. other cultures have been marrying couples long before christianity existed. in this country marriage has nothing to so with religion. by law, marriage is a legal contract between two people that affords them tax exemptions, caretaker rights and shared ownership over each others assets. i can't believe you don't know this fact.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 really? i must being doing something wrong because i can't remember the last time i had religious people pushing their views upon me in ANY way. maybe because im not looking for it?

correct, you aren't looking for it. why is media censorship an issue? why is planned parenthood (condoms, birth control, abortion) an issue? why is sex education in the school an issue? why is embryonic stem cell research an issue? why is gay marriage an issue? why is having the ten commandments placed in a government courthouse an issue? why is the true geologic age of the grand canyon an issue? why is the teaching of evolution in public school an issue? i could go on and on if i only spent some time to think about how religious people push their views upon me...

Rich, did I tell you I fucking love you!

Seriously, I am horrible with trying to come up with the examples in any situation.

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