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Posted by n3lly on Oct-24-2008 17:46:

Just got Traktor Scratch Pro delivered to my door Perfect timing for the bank holiday weekend!

This product is quality...

The unit feels quite heavy for it's size (compared to serato's SL 1) and it feels VERY sturdy..

They even gave me the quick connect cables as well, didn't know i'd get them with this.

A small sleeve to protect the TSP box as well.

So far without having even hooked it up it's been worth the 449 quid i spent on it.

I sold Serato last night and was anxious that i TSP wouldn't arrive before this weekend but all is good now..

Time to install it i think

steve


Posted by Adam420 on Oct-24-2008 17:54:

So I've always wondered, is the Audio 8 basically an external sound card for DJs?


Posted by Ryan0751 on Oct-24-2008 18:02:

I've always wondered if google is for searching:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=audio8dj



quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
So I've always wondered, is the Audio 8 basically an external sound card for DJs?


Posted by Adam420 on Oct-24-2008 18:28:

Hey man, no need to be a smart ass. I know what it is, I just want to know if it's considered to be a sound card.


Posted by elFreak on Oct-24-2008 18:32:

read the link ffs.


Posted by n3lly on Oct-24-2008 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
Hey man, no need to be a smart ass. I know what it is, I just want to know if it's considered to be a sound card.


Yes it is..

Anyway.. i've noticed a small error.

I use spaces quite a lot on my mac, i had traktor open and wanted to shift it into another space. Once i moved it into the other space and tried to use it i just got a black screen.. but i could use command alt etc to switch back into another window or programs but every time i go back into scratch it only displays a black screen..

odd...

Will have to spend quite a bit of time with this little beauty, there's so much going on!


Posted by n3lly on Oct-24-2008 18:51:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
read the link ffs.


That link gives you fuck all information/answers if you don't know much about audio interfaces by the way.


Posted by elFreak on Oct-24-2008 20:25:

i guess i didn't realize that.


Posted by zack3082 on Oct-25-2008 19:26:

i think im going to be picking this up next week.
ive never used any programs before, but a few of my friends are using this and told me that id regret it if i didnt pick it up


Posted by skip on Nov-03-2008 13:59:

anybody have it yet? i'd like to see comments about it compared to the old version. waiting for NI to put up a demo of it so i can see for myself, but they're slow, too damn slow!


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-03-2008 14:05:

I do, it kicks ass.

More or less, all of the things I found annoying or ugly in the old version have been improved.

quote:
Originally posted by skip
anybody have it yet? i'd like to see comments about it compared to the old version. waiting for NI to put up a demo of it so i can see for myself, but they're slow, too damn slow!


Posted by skip on Nov-03-2008 14:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I do, it kicks ass.

More or less, all of the things I found annoying or ugly in the old version have been improved.



sounds nice. could you be more specific though? what do you think are the greatest improvements?


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-03-2008 14:25:

1. Effects are finally much more usable now that they are separated from the decks. The chained mode is very nice, and the new effects sound great.
2. Filters per deck are really nice. I dig their dual filter: Turn left for low pass, right for high pass. You can also enable Xone type filters too.
3. The GUI finally looks nice, with smooth scaling fonts. They ditched the unnecessary details panes at the top. I always hated how functions were duplicated in places.
4. Looping/beatjumping are much easier to use. Predefined loop lengths are much nicer to click then selecting the loop length from a list.
5. Browser is much nicer, cover art thing could be big for some people. The browser now properly shows iTunes tracks, before if you didn't add iTunes playlists to your collection when you loaded tracks onto decks and such the browser wouldn't update the icons correctly.
6. Annoying GUI glitches and things like that have been fixed (like timecode CD's coming up as "wrong input mode").
7. MIDI implementation is even more powerful, gone are pages which have been replaced by more extensible "modifiers".
8. Enabling keylock the first time doesn't cause a dropout (at least it used to for me).
9. Cue point interface/beatgrid setup make much more sense.

quote:
Originally posted by skip
sounds nice. could you be more specific though? what do you think are the greatest improvements?


Posted by skip on Nov-03-2008 14:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
1. Effects are finally much more usable now that they are separated from the decks. The chained mode is very nice, and the new effects sound great.
2. Filters per deck are really nice. I dig their dual filter: Turn left for low pass, right for high pass. You can also enable Xone type filters too.
3. The GUI finally looks nice, with smooth scaling fonts. They ditched the unnecessary details panes at the top. I always hated how functions were duplicated in places.
4. Looping/beatjumping are much easier to use. Predefined loop lengths are much nicer to click then selecting the loop length from a list.
5. Browser is much nicer, cover art thing could be big for some people. The browser now properly shows iTunes tracks, before if you didn't add iTunes playlists to your collection when you loaded tracks onto decks and such the browser wouldn't update the icons correctly.
6. Annoying GUI glitches and things like that have been fixed (like timecode CD's coming up as "wrong input mode").
7. MIDI implementation is even more powerful, gone are pages which have been replaced by more extensible "modifiers".
8. Enabling keylock the first time doesn't cause a dropout (at least it used to for me).
9. Cue point interface/beatgrid setup make much more sense.



sounds pretty nice. can you comment on the accuracy of the auto beat grids? will you get perfect loops with them or do you have to adjust the beat grids to get the loops perfect?


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-03-2008 14:44:

I've been using the auto beat grids for loops for quite some time (even in Traktor 3). They tend to be quite accurate.

I don't usually manually set them, it's a real pain.

quote:
Originally posted by skip
sounds pretty nice. can you comment on the accuracy of the auto beat grids? will you get perfect loops with them or do you have to adjust the beat grids to get the loops perfect?


Posted by Zild on Nov-03-2008 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I've been using the auto beat grids for loops for quite some time (even in Traktor 3). They tend to be quite accurate.

I don't usually manually set them, it's a real pain.


Yeah I just push the loop button it works pretty damn flawlessly.


Posted by ad0nis on Nov-04-2008 01:12:

Quick question for you guys who sold serato for traktor scratch pro...
Which one of the two should I buy? I have an old mixer, so i wouldn't be able to use the effects that well (its an all anologue mixer)

Still worth getting over serato?


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-04-2008 01:17:

Yes.

Effects in Traktor have nothing to do with your mixer.

At this point it's the better product IMO.

quote:
Originally posted by ad0nis
Quick question for you guys who sold serato for traktor scratch pro...
Which one of the two should I buy? I have an old mixer, so i wouldn't be able to use the effects that well (its an all anologue mixer)

Still worth getting over serato?


Posted by ad0nis on Nov-04-2008 02:07:

I know, but i cant control the effects through my mixer


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-04-2008 02:13:

Lol, that's what MIDI controllers and your keyboard/mouse are for

quote:
Originally posted by ad0nis
I know, but i cant control the effects through my mixer


Posted by djsaekone on Nov-05-2008 04:25:

Im having alot of problems with traktor pro right now. It has mad bugs lol. Its crazy.....I would say d/l the demo before you buy.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-05-2008 12:15:

What kind of bugs? PC or Mac version?

quote:
Originally posted by djsaekone
Im having alot of problems with traktor pro right now. It has mad bugs lol. Its crazy.....I would say d/l the demo before you buy.


Posted by djsaekone on Nov-05-2008 15:27:

It wont import the collection right. It loads fine at first but then if you try to close traktor down and open it back up, it says its invalid ....PC version


Posted by n3lly on Nov-05-2008 19:59:

I've had to keep my latency around 10ms or so which i'm not that happy about.

Serato was down on the lowest setting (2ms?)

It's great having all the extra features but i think the only thing that's annoying me is that i need to get to know the software a bit better.

With serato, everything's a little easier. More simple.

While i kinda regret moving to traktor because i knew Serato so well, i think in the long run i'll have more fun with Traktor.

I'm just finding it tough to figure everything out.

For example.
Cue points, marking cue points on the fly with Traktor using keyboard shortcuts. Something very simple i'm sure but i haven't been able to get this to work yet.

Loading a track onto the wrong deck by accident.

In serato you used to hit ctrl z and the deck would load back onto the previous track you had loaded.
How do you do this with Traktor? Or is it even possible?

Serato had a neat little trick where you could change the loop points with th vinyl. In affect you used the vinyl to make the loop smaller and smaller by moving the vinyl. I'd select in the start point of the loop and make the loop smaller and smaller until you could release it on beat creating a nice little climax effect every now and again. I miss this feature..

Small things.

The latency thing is the biggest pain in the butt though. Any time i drop it down below ms i'm getting nasty feed back.

I'm running this all on 15.4" MBP, 2.4ghz 2 gb ram. (just ordered 4 gb)

Having said all the above, it is running flawlessy for me on the settings i have it on but would love to get the latency down. I've played at 2 house parties, each one for 4-6 hours.

The accidental track reversal thing would also be handy to know.

If i had the time i'd scour the NI forums for info but i don't think they're as comprehensive as the serato ones.

All in all I'm at a 7/10 with the product. In time i know this will climb though which is great to know.

I'm nearly thinking it's vital to have a midi controller though. Not sure if i want to commit to buying another piece of equipment though.

nelly


Posted by Ryan0751 on Nov-05-2008 20:02:

2ms? Even though you set that in the software, there's no way that's the reality. It's like having a volume knob that goes to 11

In Traktor's preferences, turn off the ability to "load onto a playing deck". You'll prevent killing the playing deck that way.


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