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| Originally posted by The17sss Well said. My BFF Lebezniatnikov will love this post (my bet is he doesn't even really read it because it's Limbaugh's words). At least he has the stones to say what nobody on the Democrat side has the courage to admit about Powell. Enjoy: Rush Limbaugh's dipshit diatribe |
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| Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yes, it's all about race. You are a complete fuckwad. Maybe you should have spent a similar amount of time watching Colin Powell's actual endorsement, which had nothing to do with race. But let's ignore all of the relevant comments that were actually stated about how McCain will be less helpful to the US than Obama for many legitimate reasons and pull speculative racial connotations. You people are a fucking disgrace to this country. According to your moronic pundits and the McCain/Palin/GOP campaigns, it's the "Un-American liberals" that got attacked on 9/11, yet for some reason you dipshits care more retaliation for those attacks on areas that you don't even consider part of "real America" than the residents. Well maybe not real retaliation - it's just an excuse to kill people who weren't involved on 9/11. Or better yet, encourage more attacks so that "The South shall rise again" after the major Northeastern metropolises are wiped out due to further attacks inspired by the blowback caused by the unilateral aggressiveness of people who don't even live in the target areas. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss and WTF is that shit about 9/11 and "the south will rise again" mullarky? Where did that come from? I'm not represented by the picture you painted in that paragraph. And I'm not even originally from the south! My whole family and I are from the Boston area. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Even when a democrat black man says it's about race, will you still say it has nothing to do with race? fast forward to 1:20 in the clip. lol... how is it NOT about race? |
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| Originally posted by The17sss You liberals are all so convinced that anything that comes out of Obama's mouth and the mouths of those who support him are so true, that if there are dissenting opinions that they can't possibly be right. And I bet if he loses, you will be so convinced that the majority of Americans must be stupid, or racist, or both, because Obama's way is the right way. You've been so bombarded by left leaning, pro Obama, Bush hating media for so long that you all actually believe the shit they spew on a daily basis is how the majority of Americans really feel. Is there 1 single thing about Obama and/or his polcies that you disagree with? |
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WASHINGTON---The Obama campaign is putting a hefty price tag on the best camera and reporting positions for news organizations covering Barack Obama's outdoor election night activities in downtown Chicago. If a reporter wants access to the file center--which will be the best place to find Obama officials and spokesmen--be prepared to write a check for $935. The cheapest place a reporter could stand on a riser with a view is $880. That $935 covers one reporter in a heated file tent, power, cable tv, internet and food. I am told by an Obama spokesman who did not want his name used that this just covers costs and they are not turning a profit on this. The planners could have built in more al a carte options for Grant Park coverage. This is an outrageous pay to play plan that caters to national elite outlets with deep pockets. I am not asking for a free ride--news outlets pay for plane seats, other transportation organized by the campaign, hotel rooms, plus associated costs for filing centers. But this Election Night list is pricey and does not take into account some reporters won't need power, cable, internet or food but will crave the access more than the food. As I was talking to this unnamed spokesman about this enormously expensive set-up, he did say--that a news outlet could rotate people in and out of the tent on that one credential. Great. A general media area will be created where a reporter could watch for free, but the set-up is separate, unequal and clearly second class when it comes to getting top access to campaign people. The campaign could not have made going to the free space more unappealing. If will be "outdoors, unassigned and may have obstructed views. General Media Area credentials do not include access to riser positions, satellite truck parking or the press filing center." UPDATE To be clear: no one is asking for anything to be free for the press. It's just that the package of services packaged by the campaign is expensive and includes things not every outlet needs. Obama's top donors--not the masses who donated the $5, $10 and $25 the campaign brag about--will have VIP access throughout election night and received an early heads up a week ago to plan to spend Election Night in Chicago. Here's a story about this posted by Greg Hinz at Crain's Chicago Business. Click below for the price list FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.... The following coverage resource packages are available for purchase: * Main Riser Position - $935 (Includes 4 Main Riser Credentials, 5'x8' Slot on Covered Main Riser and one 20 amp circuit) * Main Riser Position with Telecommunications - $1870 (Includes Main Riser Position services, PLUS two unlimited long distance/local phone lines and one wired high speed internet connection) * Cut Riser Position - $880 (Includes 4 Cut Riser Credentials, 5'x8' Slot on Covered Cut Riser, one 20 amp circuit) * Cut Riser Position with Telecommunications - $1815 (Includes Cut Riser Position services, PLUS two unlimited long distance/local phone lines and one wired high speed internet connection) * Press File Seat - $935 (includes 1 Press File Credential, seat in heated Press File Tent, Power, Cable Television, High Speed Wired Internet Service, Catering) * Satellite Truck Position - $900 (includes 35'x20' parking position and 100 amp electrical service) * Radio Position - $715 (includes table space and chair behind the riser, power and an ISDN BRI line for radio -- comes with two credentials) Billing information must be submitted at as part of the request. Your credit card will not be charged until the campaign confirms your coverage resource package request. Coverage resource packages must be requested at: http://www.barackobama.com/pressbilling Additional services may be purchased a la carte: * Unlimited Long Distance Phone Line - $300 * High Speed Wired Internet - $275 * One 20 amp circuit - $165 For telephone service internet connectivity and additional power, orders must be placed by October 23rd, 2008. For questions on pricing or additional telecommunications assistance, please contact (deleted) The following credentials may be requested at no cost: * General Press Area - No Charge (Includes access to bike racked press area with standing room only) You must fill out the form to the right to request each individual General Press Area credential. Request media credentials for the Election Night event: Credentials to access the General Media Area are available at no cost. Please note that the General Media Area is outdoors, unassigned and may have obstructed views. General Media Area credentials do not include access to riser positions, satellite truck parking or the press filing center. Access to those resources are available for purchase at http://www.barackobama.com/pressbilling. Space is limited. Email: * First Name: * Last Name: * Phone: * Media Outlet/Affiliation: * Media call letters (if applicable): Base of Operations: Country name (required if international): City media outlet is based: * Media Type: Photography TV Camera TV Audio TV Producer TV Talent TV Support Radio Internet * denotes required field http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/200...ng_chicago.html |
that's what happens when you force candidates to raise their own money. capitalism at its finest, i would have thought a conservative like yourself would commend his business nous 
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's what happens when you force candidates to raise their own money. capitalism at its finest, i would have thought a conservative like yourself would commend his business nous |
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| Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Going back to when they came to the US, my family has been from Western PA (myself for the first 18 years of my life), so what does that tell you about where you're originally from and your current ideals. It's rather ironic that you point to my "personal attacks" while ignoring all the ones that are coming out of your party these days. BTW, I'm so liberal that I voted for McCain over Bush as a registered Republican in 2000, so please do fuck off. To be honest, the vitriol might be so severe because of the betrayal that he's shown for his values a few years ago. Granted, there are things that I disagreed with him about then (just like there are things I disagree with Obama about now), but he completely sold his soul for this nomination by embracing all the fringe elements that turned me away from the GOP with Bush's election. |
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| It's rather ironic that you point to my "personal attacks" while ignoring all the ones that are coming out of your party these days. |
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Proof positive that idiocy doesn't know party lines. He's wrong, you're wrong, Rush is wrong. It had nothing to do with race. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss I say absolutely yes, you say absolutely no. Perhaps it's somewhere in the middle? |
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| Originally posted by The17sss fucking liberal |
This is all about race! How can a moderate republican endorse someone that campaigned in the primaries as the most liberal senator in the senate 
I respect Collin Powell for the service he has done for this country. I expect better of him, it is truly dissapointing that General Powell is putting race above his beliefs. He prefers to support a far left wing african american instead of a moderate that has the credentials to prove it.
PS: he talks about that Obama can unite all party lines. How can an Obama administration with Pelosi and Reid unite all parties? Please! you got to be kidding me... what obama is going to do is unite the far left.
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Just because you can't compute a Republican endorsing Obama doesn't mean it's automatically about race. You bring some evidence to bear to suggest that it is, and I'll listen. Until then all you have are racist suppositions. How would you like it if I suggested that you just like McCain cause he's the only white guy on a major party ticket for President? |
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I know you think it's condescending to throw that word around, but geez, you don't have to use the profanity. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss My suppositions aren't racist. It's possible to talk about something being racially motivated without yourself being a racist. I'm talking about Powell's alterior motives and trying to save face... true it's not 100% about race, because I think a lot of it is about helping himself. He's not some altruistic person who is endorsing Obama for the betterment of the country; he charges $100K to give a speech for christ's sake. Ask yourself, who benefits from this endorsement (other than Obama if he wins)? He does... he's positioning himself to have a major role in that administration AND restore his level of integrity to levels prior to his WMD speech. This is his path to doing so. But aside from that stuff, the rest has to be about race because, being the "moderate" he is, what other reason could there be for endorsing Obama's policy postions when he is and has been much closer to McCain's policies through his career (unless he was lying the whole time). I think Rush's question made a good point... if it's not about race at all, where is one single inexperienced white liberal candidate he's ever endorsed? 95%+ black people are going to vote for Obama... that's not about race either, even in the slightest? As a black man in power, why wouldn't he endorse Obama? Powell referred to Obama as a transformational figure, but he didn't specify as to whether the Obama presidency would require him to transform, government to transform, or our lives to transform. But Transformational can be bad too. Transformational simply means we're finally going to get over our days of slavery and a majority of people would elect a black guy president.... because it's not about his policies... they aren't transformational. There's nothing new about them. Why is the Palin situation not transformational? Why is it only Obama? There is an obvious racial component to it, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that. |
change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants.
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| Originally posted by The17sss change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants. |
How do you people feel about Zbigniew Brzezinski?
Here's an interesting article on him.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.htm
Everyone loves an open praiser of Marx. 
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} How do you people feel about Zbigniew Brzezinski? Here's an interesting article on him. http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.htm Everyone loves an open praiser of Marx. |
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| It seems that Obama will �crawl into bed� with any religion to achieve his world government agenda, whether it be with the anti Christian �liberation� theology of the Reverend Wright, the New Age religion of Oprah Winfrey, the pagan environmentalist mother earth religion, or the anti-Christian beliefs of Islam. |
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On February 2, 1979, Brzezinski wrote a memo to Carter falsely claiming that Islamic fundamentalism was not an imminent threat and would not gain prominence in the Middle East. Brzezinski was the architect of the formation of US CIA and Saudi training and funding for the Afghan mujaheddin network, some of which would later form the Taliban and would shelter Al Qaeda terrorists camps. Brzezinski, along with Clinton�s NSC advisor Anthony Lake, John McCain, Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich, was a proponent of using the Saudis and CIA to directly fund the AlQaeda and Iranian arming and training in and outside the US of Islamic terrrorists from Albania, Kosvo and Bosnia to kick out the Serbs and Croats. Some of these same terrorists became the 9/11 hijackers protected at OU by Boren and in California by Saudi governent royal benefactors.. |
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Sounds like a stand up guy! |
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Sounds like sound research! Name one US official against arming the mujahadeen in Afghanistan during the eighties and I'll give you a cookie. |
Some more prominent conservative endorsements of Obama:
The Barry Goldwater clan:
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Why McCain Has Lost Our Vote CC Goldwater Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me. Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket. My grandfather (Paka) would never suggest denying a woman's right to choose. My grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1930's, a cause my grandfather supported. I'm not sure about how he would feel about marriage rights based on same-sex orientation. I think he would feel that love and respect for ones privacy is what matters most and not the intolerance and poor judgment displayed by McCain over the years. Paka respected our civil liberties and passed on the message that that we should conduct our lives standing up for the basic freedoms we hold so dear. For a while, there were several candidates who aligned themselves with the Goldwater version of Conservative thought. My grandfather had undying respect for the U.S. Constitution, and an understanding of its true meanings. There always have been a glimmer of hope that someday, someone would "race through the gate" full steam in Goldwater style. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened, and the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear. Nothing about McCain, except for maybe a uniform, compares to the same ideology of what Goldwater stood for as a politician. The McCain/Palin plan is to appear diverse and inclusive, using women and minorities to push an agenda that makes us all financially vulnerable, fearful, and less safe. When you see the candidate's in political ads, you can't help but be reminded of the 1964 presidential campaign of Johnson/Goldwater, the 'origin of spin', that twists the truth and obscures what really matters. Nothing about the Republican ticket offers the hope America needs to regain it's standing in the world, that's why we're going to support Barack Obama. I think that Obama has shown his ability and integrity. After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you. |
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I doubt I could. That being said, the mujahideen went on to become our troublesome pals in the Taliban, and train new radical fundamentalists. He also co-founded the Trilateral Commission with D. Rockefeller in '73, which, along with the CFR, is the primary organisation bent on globalisation and one world government. But no matter, right? Let's not knock 'change'. |
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