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Originally posted by FunkyCrew no summer school Jennie - no first semester (May-June for sure)

Well that's just great. Ugh.

sounds like the NDP is going to delay passing of the Bill until at least Wednesday .. which means classes won't start until at least Thursday at the earliest..

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/576708

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Originally posted by dEsidEL sounds like the NDP is going to delay passing of the Bill until at least Wednesday .. which means classes won't start until at least Thursday at the earliest.. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/576708

and wtf is their problem?! he said he wants unanimous voting, what are these fucks waiting for?

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My sis started her first year of Uni at York this year... what a way to start eh

BTW People are going to hate on the NDP so much, whether or not their reasoning is fair. What was the main issue they had? That the bartering must be finished as it started or are they worried the Union won�t get what they want?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew and wtf is their problem?! he said he wants unanimous voting, what are these fucks waiting for?

you obviously do not understand politics.

The NDP are doing exactly what is expected of them; to advocate rights of unions to protest and go on strike, back-to-work legislation violates this fundamental right.

There are two parties at this table, not just the union--maybe you guys are forgetting York's shitty administration.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie York's shitty administration.

I agree, I honestly think its york who has the ball..

Going back right now is riduculous.
They fucked up an entire year of my life.
I want my money back in full. End of story.





I knew I should have gone to U of Ottawa...

Fucking NDP

This whole thing makes me so angry, and I have nothing to do with York, or being a university student even.

Unions are nothing more than excuse to hold innocent people hostage.

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Originally posted by Skipper This whole thing makes me so angry

+1

i've stated before, the market should determine the wages of workers, not unions. no one is forcing them to work there.

despite a record breaking year for university and college enrollment, the aftershocks of the strike at York are already apparent..

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The drop in applications in the faculty of arts and professional studies � the largest in Canada � will mean York will be forced to offer fewer courses, said vice-president Rob Tiffin in a bulletin on the university's website. This cutback will be felt by the very workers who went on strike, noted Innes. "What the strike has done is diminish enrolment, which in turn will mean we offer fewer courses, which in turn means there will be fewer part-time jobs for the very people who went on strike," said Innes. "I can't imagine anything more self-destructive."

http://www.thestar.com/Article/576940

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"What the strike has done is diminish enrolment, which in turn will mean we offer fewer courses, which in turn means there will be fewer part-time jobs for the very people who went on strike," said Innes. "I can't imagine anything more self-destructive."

LOL! Way to go strikers!

FAIL.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar LOL! Way to go strikers! FAIL.

fucking EPIC fail
they shot themselves in the leg

pathetic!

Isn't the union arguing for job security/contracts though? that wouldn't be affected if enrollment went down, no?

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Originally posted by Skipper Isn't the union arguing for job security/contracts though? that wouldn't be affected if enrollment went down, no?

re-read the statement by the VP - if the university is offering less courses, they obviously don't need as many part-times working there
job security will be out of the window then

York students launch lawsuit, NDP stalls bill

Looks like the students have had more than enough...and are now seeking some type of compensation.

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York students launch lawsuit, NDP stalls bill Jan 25, 2009 07:01 PM Tanya Talaga QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU and THE CANADIAN PRESS Back to work legislation was introduced this afternoon to end the 81-day-long York University strike as hundreds of protesters rallied outside on the steps of Queen's Park. As expected, the New Democratic Party delayed proceedings by refusing to give unanimous consent to the legislation. The delay most likely means students will not be in the classroom until early next week. The act to resolve the labour dispute between York and the Canadian Union of Public Employees was read in the legislature shortly after 1 p.m. by MPP Peter Fonseca. The move was met by both clapping and booing. Every Liberal and Conservative, 65 MPPs, voted for the legislation. All eight present New Democratic members opposed it. "This is truly a regrettable move," said NDP MPP Peter Kormos of the back-to-work bill. "Where is the fairness when senior university administrators make $500,000 in salary and benefits?" York University is in the driver seat here, said NDP Leader Howard Hampton. "Frankly � I think the students deserve a rebate on their fees." York needs to go back to the bargaining table, he said, so students can go back tomorrow. "It is wrong for us to legislate workers back to work." Also Sunday, a Toronto law firm said it has filed a class-action lawsuit in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on behalf of York students, claiming they're entitled to a refund of their tuition and other fees. In a release, Juroviesky and Ricci LLP says the suit, which has yet to name a lead plaintiff, alleges "class-wide violations of various statutory and common law duties to the students of York University." Outside the Legislature, Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory called on Hampton to end the NDP opposition to the bill immediately so students could get back to school. "I only hope, now that he has delayed things one day, he decides tomorrow will be enough," Tory said. Tory said he does not oppose some sort of compensation for lost fees. "I think the government should think about providing some help to these students because this is not any fault of theirs." Hampton denied being the bad guy or playing petty politics by refusing to go along with the legislation. The public should be fully aware that the striking workers do about 54 per cent of the teaching at York and only receive a fraction of the school's salary budget, Hampton said. "There are real and important issues to raise," Hampton said as he defended the party's stalling of the legislation. "We believe in full and principled debate, we're not going to be a part of what we think has been a manipulative process." The government believes it's unlikely that students will return to school this week unless the New Democrats have a change of heart, and figure Thursday is the earliest the legislation could be officially passed. Even if that happens, York officials say they need to give students 24 hours' notice before resuming classes, which means the school likely won't reopen before Feb. 2. Hundreds of protesters rallied outside the legislature before the legislation was introduced, the din of their demonstration echoing inside as the votes were being counted. Striking teaching assistant Sean Starrs said he was happy to be returning to class but frustrated that the government is determined to end the impasse. "I think it's a dangerous precedent to the entire labour movement," Starrs said of the looming back-to-work legislation. "It shows all an employer has to do during a strike is sit (back) and not bargain at all until the government passes back-to-work legislation." But deputy premier George Smitherman said the government gave both sides more than enough time to come to an agreement and it was clear intervention was needed. "This has had 80 days of due process and collective bargaining, it has not resulted in a conclusion that's right for the students, we (acted) today on behalf of the students," he said. The government bill calls for the two sides to appoint a mediator within five days of the legislation passing, or the government will select one. The bill instructs the mediator to consider the current economic environment in Toronto and the province, what kind of cuts York could have to make, and salaries at other institutions before making a binding decision. Workers who continue to strike or employers who bar staff from work after the legislation is passed could face fines of up to $2,000 a day.

Source

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/577037

what a fucking mess

Re: York students launch lawsuit, NDP stalls bill

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Originally posted by Stilez Looks like the students have had more than enough...and are now seeking some type of compensation. Source http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/577037

they should have done this from the get-go. it seems that the student's union simply lacks the political clout or financial means to defend student's interests. if anything, the government should aid them in installing clauses within tuition agreements that stipulate some form of compensation should a labour disruption occur during their academic year. without this sort of safeguard, there will never truly be any accountability from either the school or its workers when it comes to defending the rights of students.

frankly, the whole situation has been a complete disgrace.

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Originally posted by Skipper Unions are nothing more than excuse to hold innocent people hostage.

That is a ridiculous statement.

The right to organise is exactly that; a right and it's not going anywhere. Besides, I have direct experience as a course instructor at this level and I can tell you that they are treated like crap. Do you really think that $4,000 in funding for an MA student or 6-7 thousand to teach an ENTIRE COURSE is adequate when these people have funneled tens of thousands into the education system only to find that the universities are too cheap to hire anyone for what they are worth?

All universities are just a business. Students are viewed as "income units", especially at the larger universities. And they are all becoming increasingly CHEAP. Will York refund the student's tuition or carry it over to next year once this is resolved? Has there been any talk of that?

Are the demands of these instructors really that excessive? Try to think about all perspectives instead of just blaming it on the union like every CEO does when they observe that paying and treating their workers well and rewarding the customers with a better product might cut down on their fucking profits.

It's disgusting the way that some of you view the employer/worker relationship.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 That is a ridiculous statement. The right to organise is exactly that; a right and it's not going anywhere. Besides, I have direct experience as a course instructor at this level and I can tell you that they are treated like crap. Do you really think that $4,000 in funding for an MA student or 6-7 thousand to teach an ENTIRE COURSE is adequate when these people have funneled tens of thousands into the education system only to find that the universities are too cheap to hire anyone for what they are worth? All universities are just a business. Students are viewed as "income units", especially at the larger universities. And they are all becoming increasingly CHEAP. Will York refund the student's tuition or carry it over to next year once this is resolved? Has there been any talk of that? Are the demands of these instructors really that excessive? Try to think about all perspectives instead of just blaming it on the union like every CEO does when they observe that paying and treating their workers well and rewarding the customers with a better product might cut down on their fucking profits. It's disgusting the way that some of you view the employer/worker relationship.

I take issue with a bunch of contract workers whining about their Job security.

In the real world (read: not ridiculously left-wing socialist union land) contract employees don't have collective bargaining to try and demand such ridiculous things. Do you think all of the consultants and temporary full-time workers employed by the Ontario government are unionized? No.

Do you think that all of the consultants and temporary full-time workers employed by the federal government are unionized? No.

Why should these temporary full-time workers be any different?

Stop crying and go back to work. You're fucking up people's lives. if you need to make a good salary... get a JOB. Don't TA. As far as I am concerned the compensation you receive for TAing is to supplement your education - not to make a living.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I knew I should have gone to U of Ottawa...

My alma mater, Go Gee Gees!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Are the demands of these instructors really that excessive? Try to think about all perspectives instead of just blaming it on the union like every CEO does when they observe that paying and treating their workers well and rewarding the customers with a better product might cut down on their fucking profits. It's disgusting the way that some of you view the employer/worker relationship.

your statements are ridiculous, if anything

it is NOT a simply employer/worker relationship here, you also have students stuck in a middle, making it a 3-way relationship - why should demands of one party (the union) jeopardize the lifes of 50,000 students at University? As far as I am concerned, the Univesity offered them a fair settlement up to date..

What do people expect when they apply and then go to this school?

York is arguably the most leftist unversity in the country and has been plagued by labour unrest for the last 15 years (even longer many would say). It's an institution driven by unionist ideals - this type of job action is not uncommon (at York).

Although I feel bad for people who have lost time, money and other resources while this strike has been going on... you get what you sign-up for, no?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Are the demands of these instructors really that excessive? Try to think about all perspectives instead of just blaming it on the union like every CEO does when they observe that paying and treating their workers well and rewarding the customers with a better product might cut down on their fucking profits.

The economy is shit, and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter.

If work hard, you are rewarded.
If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else.

Pretty simple.

It's a shit move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now.

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Originally posted by Skipper The economy is shit, and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter. If work hard, you are rewarded. If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else. Pretty simple. It's a shit move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now.

thank you!!

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Originally posted by Skipper The economy is shit, and TA's don't deserve any more job security than I do, or anyone else for that matter. If work hard, you are rewarded. If your employer doesn't reward you, go somewhere else. Pretty simple. It's a shit move to hold thousands of students hostage - hindering their job prospects by doing so - just so that you can be sheltered from the economic uncertainty that is plaguing every single Canadian right now.

amen.

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