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Originally posted by chinamon isnt that what ive been saying the whole time?

Yes sir

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Originally posted by UmmiE Alot of you are missing the key point here based on whats said in the article the lady herself wanted this punishment:-

does anyone have an online source of sharia law? my understanding is that sharia differs from one region to another

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis There were actually several. It wasn't stonning to death but it was public beheading i.e.guillotine. Infact, there were tons of accusations made during the Medival Period. Also, it didn't matter if you were Rich or Poor. Maria Antoinette is a prime example.

Really, Marie Antoinette was beheaded for adultery? Wow, and all this time I thought it was because of the whole French Revolution and charges of treason thing.... oh wait... I was right.

Sure people were executed... but not for adultery. Also, there is a world of difference between a quick beheading and getting big fuckin' rocks thrown at your head until you die from brain injury or blood loss.

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Originally posted by Yohan does anyone have an online source of sharia law? my understanding is that sharia differs from one region to another

Sharia is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence. It is not actually part of the canonical Qur'an; that is to say, it is not believed to be the direct word of Allah by Muslims, but rather the interpretation of it.

Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, sexuality, and social issues. Some Islamic scholars accept Sharia as the body of precedent and legal theory established before the 19th century, while other scholars view Sharia as a changing body, and include Islamic legal theory from the contemporary period.

There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws pertaining to Sharia. It is more like a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Jaafari (Hallaq 1997, Brown 1996, Aslan 2006).

Laws and practices under Sharia:

The penalty for theft

In accordance with the Qur'an and several hadith, theft is punished by imprisonment or amputation of hands or feet, depending on the number of times it was committed and depending on the item of theft.

The penalty for adultery

In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery. For unmarried men and women, the punishment prescribed in the Qur'an and hadith is 100 lashes.




Source

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Originally posted by UmmiE Alot of you are missing the key point here based on whats said in the article the lady herself wanted this punishment:-

yeah, I'd like to see the court transcripts on that one... oh, yeah, no court, no transcripts.

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Originally posted by chinamon i dunno man.. different cultures look at life differently. who are we to judge them? is it because we are taught to think we are better than everyone else? im pretty sure she knew what would happen to her if she was caught committing adultery but she still chose to do so. if we had the death penalty in canada and you chose to kill someone and you get caught, it is nobody's fault but your own.

wouldn't be surprised if she was pressured to in some way

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Originally posted by UmmiE Sharia is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence. It is not actually part of the canonical Qur'an; that is to say, it is not believed to be the direct word of Allah by Muslims, but rather the interpretation of it. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, sexuality, and social issues. Some Islamic scholars accept Sharia as the body of precedent and legal theory established before the 19th century, while other scholars view Sharia as a changing body, and include Islamic legal theory from the contemporary period. There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws pertaining to Sharia. It is more like a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent. Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Jaafari (Hallaq 1997, Brown 1996, Aslan 2006). Laws and practices under Sharia: The penalty for theft In accordance with the Qur'an and several hadith, theft is punished by imprisonment or amputation of hands or feet, depending on the number of times it was committed and depending on the item of theft. The penalty for adultery In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery. For unmarried men and women, the punishment prescribed in the Qur'an and hadith is 100 lashes. Source

And there's the problem with human interpretation of Sharia. People's own points of view of how Sharia is interpreted, hence many schools of thought. (and some schools radically differ from others)

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Originally posted by Yohan And there's the problem with human interpretation of Sharia. People's own points of view of how Sharia is interpreted, hence many schools of thought. (and some schools radically differ from others)

Another link LOL :-

Some versions of Sharia law require that married or divorce persons found guilty of Zina (adultery) be executed by stoning. Countries which are predominately Muslim or which have a large minority of Muslims vary greatly in their treatment of people found guilty of this crime. According to Amnesty International:

Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Djibouti, Macedonia, Mozambique, and Turkmenistan have formally abandoned execution as the penalty for all crimes, including adultery and other sex "crimes."
Albania, Bosnia, the Russian Federation, and Turkey still retain the death penalty on the books, but do not perform it in practice. Both the Russian Federation and Turkey are expected to formally abandon it in the near future.
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the Sudan, and some of the northern states of Nigeria practice a very strict form of Sharia law. So do the states controlled by the Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) party in Malaysia.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul2.htm

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Really, Marie Antoinette was beheaded for adultery? Wow, and all this time I thought it was because of the whole French Revolution and charges of treason thing.... oh wait... I was right. Sure people were executed... but not for adultery. Also, there is a world of difference between a quick beheading and getting big fuckin' rocks thrown at your head until you die from brain injury or blood loss.

You're right it was because of the French Revolutions. But she was accussed and behaaded for adultery. Maybe you might want to study the depths of the French Revolution again.

Yes, infact people were accussed and for adultery. Henry VIII had one of his wifes beheaded for adultery. Jeez not sure what history books you read....

And it doesn't matter how you look at it, beheading or getting stoned to death its still savage...

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis You're right it was because of the French Revolutions. But she was accussed and behaaded for adultery. Maybe you might want to study the depths of the French Revolution again. Yes, infact people were accussed and for adultery. Henry VIII had one of his wifes beheaded for adultery. Jeez not sure what history books you read.... And it doesn't matter how you look at it, beheading or getting stoned to death its still savage...

These women were executed for political reasons. Adultery was merely an excuse, and in a way, adultery against the king was considered treasonous.

Anne Boleyn got her head cut off because she couldn't give Henry a boy. Actually, there was another of Henry's queen that was executed for adultery too. And I think she did sleep around.

Marie Antoinette should be pretty darn obvious. She was highly unpopular among the public.

I think being executed for being a "witch" was way worse than being executed for adultery.

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Originally posted by elFreak I think being executed for being a "witch" was way worse than being executed for adultery.

Burn her! Burn her!

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Originally posted by Yohan These women were executed for political reasons. Adultery was merely an excuse, and in a way, adultery against the king was considered treasonous. Anne Boleyn got her head cut off because she couldn't give Henry a boy. Actually, there was another of Henry's queen that was executed for adultery too. And I think she did sleep around. Marie Antoinette should be pretty darn obvious. She was highly unpopular among the public.

Marie Antoinnette's beheading was for a political reason, but they told the public it was adultery.

There are many other written primary sources regarding adultery and executions. I'm sure I can dig up sources if I bring my university research papers box out.

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Originally posted by elFreak I think being executed for being a "witch" was way worse than being executed for adultery.

I wrote my final Major paper on this. It was the most interesting subject I've ever studied. There was so much!

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Originally posted by chinamon it does take two to tango but you seem to forget that some cultures view men being superior to women.

Not just some.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Marie Antoinnette's beheading was for a political reason, but they told the public it was adultery.

I think you're missing the point.

Adultery was just an excuse, to rile up the public even more, because of Christian morality that France held. (Kinda funny, because France would become extremely secular shortly after the Revolution) And the charge of adultery was rather hypocritical, considering there was helluva a lot of sleeping around in the French society

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis You're right it was because of the French Revolutions. But she was accussed and behaaded for adultery. Maybe you might want to study the depths of the French Revolution again.

Nope, I think you need to take another look. She was never charged with adultery (although she was accused of it). She was charged with stealing from the French treasury, sexually abusing her son, and orchestrating the massacre of the Swiss Guards. Ultimately, she was convicted of treason. All that said, her trial was a total sham and a miscarriage of justice, which can hardly be used as an example of the legitimate practice of law.

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Yes, infact people were accussed and for adultery. Henry VIII had one of his wifes beheaded for adultery. Jeez not sure what history books you read....

Henry's second wife; Anne Boleyn was charged with Adultery, incest and treason... treason being the one she was convicted of and beheaded for.

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And it doesn't matter how you look at it, beheading or getting stoned to death its still savage...

I don't approve of capital punishment in any form; however, given the choice of beheading or stoned I'd suggest that the former is far more humane.

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Originally posted by Yohan Actually, there was another of Henry's queen that was executed for adultery too. And I think she did sleep around.

Incorrect; his first marriage to Catharine was annulled and his third wife (Jane) died a natural death.

**Edit - sorry, you're right, Katharine was executed

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Marie Antoinnette's beheading was for a political reason, but they told the public it was adultery.

What they told the public is of little consequence, the charge she was sentenced to death for was treason. Also, as I said and Yohan supports; a sham trial such as this cannot be considered the legitimate practice of law.

If you want to argue that execution for adultery was the norm then please provide some statute law.

Katherine Howard, Henry's 5th wife was charged with treason for sleeping around with her former lovers

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex Not just some.

if that is supposed to mean all , you are very false. There are matriarchal cultures that still exist today.

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Originally posted by Yohan Katherine Howard, Henry's 5th wife was charged with treason for sleeping around with her former lovers

see edit... I forgot about her.

IMO... take their country over. Invade this very small country and overthrow ANYONE in charge. Begin to implement proper government and make laws so that nobody can be executed. Killing is killing even if it's eye for an eye. Haven't these people heard of Jail?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard see edit... I googled about her.

fixed :P hahha

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