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Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-07-2008 01:11:

Posted by DJ_Ballistic on Nov-07-2008 01:24:

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
And ballistic posting on TA! It�s a memorable day for all!

unemployment blows, it's a sad day when you see someone mention a trade agreement, and then have the time to actually go and read about it

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-07-2008 01:39:

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
unemployment blows, it's a sad day when you see someone mention a trade agreement, and then have the time to actually go and read about it

No no! being poor sucks, but unemployment RULES!!

Posted by sunrise3500 on Nov-07-2008 01:46:

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
everything sounds bad when it's over exaggerated

you now have to wait 20 years longer before plagiarising a dead americans work.

it's not like you couldnt be extradited before for breaking US laws, just now in addition, if you break american copyright law, it's possible for you to be extradited even if said offence did not occur on US soil.

despite the aforementioned restrictions there has been an increase in exports to the US.

ok PBS bad.

not that the FTA has been beneficial for us, but it's not like we weren't sucking up to the US before it

now you're over simplifying it

what about the changes to trademarks and patents here
and not only do we have the US copyright laws, we're actually even worse than they are; we dont have fair use.

as for extradition in the case of intellectual property.. you think it's OK for someone to be extradited because some foreign COMPANY think its being hurt? we have our own courts to deal with that. don't you think that's how it should be handled?
that's the major problem with the US IP laws, it's all about protecting corporations. and now that's what we have here

if there weren't export restrictions, probably could have exported even more to them.
I suppose also while some of the tarrifs on our exports to them are removed (while in return theirs WERE NOT? there's another wtf. Shouldn't this be helping both parties, not everything ONE WAY? ok, so magically to a degree it is a free trade agreement, but for the US only), would have helped when it comes to this. but at the same time, there's more red tape on exporting to them now too, which would have caused reductions. (edit: shouldn't a trade agreement promote trade and REDUCE red tape????)

edit: and what kind of free trade agreement is mostly not related to trade? sounds like they're trying to pass off a bunch of other shit, but hide it under a good name 'oooo free trade... what's wrong with that? it must be a good thing!'
gum nuts.

see, i tried to avoid saying anything, because you're better off doing your own research and coming up to your own decision then taking snippets from different people.

i'll leave it at that, because it can go back and forth all day.

Posted by T-Soma on Nov-07-2008 04:56:

I have been following this on whirlpool for a while and simply cant believe it. It has been planned for quiet a while and I am pretty sure it is in affect in some places as a trial but I don't think that many people know about it.

Any half witted computer user would know it takes a matter of seconds to find a way around this (proxy or tunnel).

I guess its time I also started writing some letters to some ministers whilst urging others to do the same.

EDIT: Not that this is completely relevant but its funny how once Rudd won the election he not only deleted his face book but he banned all his staff from using it (yes including outside of the office)
And the whole national broadband network plan is full of fail, see here.

Posted by DJ_Ballistic on Nov-07-2008 05:46:

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Originally posted by sunrise3500
now you're over simplifying it

what about the changes to trademarks and patents here
and not only do we have the US copyright laws, we're actually even worse than they are; we dont have fair use.

as for extradition in the case of intellectual property.. you think it's OK for someone to be extradited because some foreign COMPANY think its being hurt? we have our own courts to deal with that. don't you think that's how it should be handled?
that's the major problem with the US IP laws, it's all about protecting corporations. and now that's what we have here

if there weren't export restrictions, probably could have exported even more to them.
I suppose also while some of the tarrifs on our exports to them are removed (while in return theirs WERE NOT? there's another wtf. Shouldn't this be helping both parties, not everything ONE WAY? ok, so magically to a degree it is a free trade agreement, but for the US only), would have helped when it comes to this. but at the same time, there's more red tape on exporting to them now too, which would have caused reductions. (edit: shouldn't a trade agreement promote trade and REDUCE red tape????)

edit: and what kind of free trade agreement is mostly not related to trade? sounds like they're trying to pass off a bunch of other shit, but hide it under a good name 'oooo free trade... what's wrong with that? it must be a good thing!'
gum nuts.

see, i tried to avoid saying anything, because you're better off doing your own research and coming up to your own decision then taking snippets from different people.

i'll leave it at that, because it can go back and forth all day.

it can't go back and forth coz i don't disagree with you

just your over the top statement that THIS is what put our head up america's ass.

Posted by sunrise3500 on Nov-07-2008 05:53:

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic
just your over the top statement that THIS is what put our head up america's ass.

no no
this is just another EXAMPLE that shows that our head is up their ass and it's up even further!

or someone's was...

Posted by Fledz on Nov-07-2008 07:42:

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Originally posted by T-Soma
EDIT: Not that this is completely relevant but its funny how once Rudd won the election he not only deleted his face book but he banned all his staff from using it (yes including outside of the office)
And the whole national broadband network plan is full of fail, see here.

Wasn't a big part of Rudd's election promise, newer, faster and better internet?

How much of that has eventuated or they have actually begun work on? Zero.

Posted by sunrise3500 on Nov-07-2008 08:11:

Posted by T-Soma on Nov-07-2008 13:32:

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Originally posted by Fledz
Wasn't a big part of Rudd's election promise, newer, faster and better internet?

How much of that has eventuated or they have actually begun work on? Zero.

There is a giant auction going on at the moment to see who gets rights to set-up the new network, but its just pissing money up against the wall. I think the main problem is that Stephen Conroy (Broadband Minister) is a complete knob. He is constantly ignoring the advice of many of the top engineers from Australian telco's and is instead enjoying the support from the ever *cough*logical*cough* support of the Christian Lobby Group.

Don't quote me on this one but aparently the new network only promises 12mb connections to every home... wtf? We are already getting 20-30mb from cable and adsl2+.

Posted by Fledz on Nov-07-2008 13:38:

I think that's 12mb for everyone. While that is good, it's not good enough. By the time that's implemented, it will be obsolete. I don't think it's very upgradeable either which should be a red flag by itself.

Posted by T-Soma on Nov-07-2008 13:54:

ah, makes sense.

Well, I blame this article for my misconception.

Posted by sunrise3500 on Nov-07-2008 14:09:

...
not quite

look at the speeds *available* to everyone atm, yet there's still 256k plans and what not rubbish
add in our ridiculous upload speed caps and download limits
and add to that the potential monopoly, which telstra wants to eliminate other companies dslams
and added cost of this new network
...

basically we'll be paying more for a slower internet service since they'll just cap it, and add even more download limits.

why the fuck dont they just put everyone onto the adsl2+ dslams (telstra had them in their exchanges for YEARS, literally before they enabled them and even then initially only enabled them when a competitor was in the exchange - why didn't they get punished for this??? EVERYONE could have had access to upto* 24mbit internet for YEARS yet they chose to not let us) and uncap it. there's half the broadband issue solved, but no, that doesn't work in australia.... need to be third world and rip us off.

Posted by T-Soma on Nov-07-2008 15:40:

see sig.

Posted by Trance Nutter on Nov-10-2008 22:44:

The anti-firewall facebook group had my support right up until I received this message from them

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YES Australia is now owned 99% by corporations, we do not have our public interest represented at all, if we do not wake up to this and see what is happening for what it is, we will not defeat it,

We have watched our country being sold right under our noses for too long, all but a mere 1% is privatised now, when will we have enough?

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or a real investigation of the US government's unquestionable cover up and involvement in 9/11.

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The fact of the matter is they don’t want you to find out about HAARP, Chemtrails, Project Bluebeam, Codex,

fuckin hell

Yeah so the people that started if have no interest in the internet filter, they're just using it to peddle their bullshit.

Posted by Trance Nutter on Nov-10-2008 22:45:

sorry, just to point out further their complete lack of credibility

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Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-10-2008 22:52:

i hope they get raped. idiots.

Posted by Fledz on Nov-10-2008 22:54:

wtf does 9/11 have to with this? Morons.

Posted by Trance Nutter on Nov-10-2008 23:09:

Jolz, rad and Jordan, I implore you to leave that bullshit group.

There's another (larger) anti-filter group, join that instead. ("No to Australian Internet Censorship")

Posted by radshuffle on Nov-11-2008 00:04:

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter
Jolz, rad and Jordan, I implore you to leave that bullshit group.

There's another (larger) anti-filter group, join that instead. ("No to Australian Internet Censorship")

why is any one group fighting for the same cause a bull shit group? If it gets the message out there that is what it is about.

It has great information and petitions to print and send in! SNAIL MAIL FOR THE WIN!

That was just some chick on there group sending out that message.. I am sure she doesn't speak for the group! My point with that group was more the site that it linked to..

Posted by EgosXII on Nov-11-2008 00:38:

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter
Jolz, rad and Jordan, I implore you to leave that bullshit group.

There's another (larger) anti-filter group, join that instead. ("No to Australian Internet Censorship")

yeh that msg was a bit messed up! hahahahaha

neo-marxist/stalinist bullshit hardcore

why is it that all political activism always ends up bringing out the nutjobs?

Posted by Trance Nutter on Nov-11-2008 00:39:

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Originally posted by radshuffle
why is any one group fighting for the same cause a bull shit group? If it gets the message out there that is what it is about.

It has great information and petitions to print and send in! SNAIL MAIL FOR THE WIN!

That was just some chick on there group sending out that message.. I am sure she doesn't speak for the group! My point with that group was more the site that it linked to..

pretty sure she was one of the people running the group. EDIT - yes, she was the creator of the group.

But no, by all means if you want to be part of the group that is being hijacked by nutcases who are more interested in conspiracy theories and think that the filter is to stop us finding out about chemtrails, by all means go ahead, I'm not going to stop you.

Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-11-2008 00:52:

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Originally posted by EgosXII
yeh that msg was a bit messed up! hahahahaha

neo-marxist/stalinist bullshit hardcore

why is it that all political activism always ends up bringing out the nutjobs?

hey, don't equate marxists with crazy people!

Posted by Fledz on Nov-11-2008 00:55:

Link to the FB group?

Posted by radshuffle on Nov-11-2008 01:24:

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter
But no, by all means if you want to be part of the group that is being hijacked by nutcases who are more interested in conspiracy theories and think that the filter is to stop us finding out about chemtrails, by all means go ahead, I'm not going to stop you.

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