paul van dyk "i make music for the clubbers, not the critics"

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Posted by Sykonee on Nov-19-2008 18:49:

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Originally posted by ravenrg84
I hate that so if u dont like Pvd stfu and go see tiesto or dubfire...

Speaking of Tiesto, didn't PvD criticize Mr. Verwest in a roundabout way for playing Disneyland? PAUL!! You're not allowed to criticize Tiesto playing Disneyland until YOU'VE played Disneyland yourself!

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 18:51:

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Originally posted by Sykonee
Speaking of Tiesto, didn't PvD criticize Mr. Verwest in a roundabout way for playing Disneyland? PAUL!! You're not allowed to criticize Tiesto playing Disneyland until YOU'VE played Disneyland yourself!

Posted by GoSpeedGo! on Nov-19-2008 18:52:

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 18:56:

Here's an idea:

Why not just make music for yourself rather than for the clubbers or the critics? And if someone else happens to like it, all the better?

I know, I know, music is a "business" and people have to make a living, not simply go wherever their own creative impulses lead them, right?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-19-2008 20:02:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
He already did that implicitly when he talked about people on the forum being bitter because they haven't done what PvD has.

Ah right - what do we have left then?

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 20:04:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Ah right - what do we have left then?

The "get out for once and stop downloading mp3s in your mom's basement" card?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-19-2008 20:11:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The "get out for once and stop downloading mp3s in your mom's basement" card?

It really goes off in a club? You don't know 'til you've experienced it? Weasels?

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 20:16:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It really goes off in a club? You don't know 'til you've experienced it? Weasels?

You can't make a judgment about a DJ until you've heard him spinning in the context of a flashing strobe light while standing in the midst of a sweaty crowd in a dark club and off your head on about ten different pills of dubious quality.

So there!

Posted by Meat187 on Nov-19-2008 21:00:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Ah right - what do we have left then?

The completely unrelated youtube video!

Posted by adi_hanson on Nov-19-2008 21:05:

Its like anything really , People here think tiesto is ( well too many names to mention) , but i went to his gig in london a couple of months ago and everything , the music , location and crowd was a really good night out.

I heard solarstone was playing at a local venue and i went and to be honest , it wasnt as good as you would of expected. Sorta like stick to producing.

Its the same across all genres , i saw a horrible youtube vid of katy perry singing live. The excuse of 'she cant sign live' wears thin. She obviously needs the studio equipment and vocal mastering to sound good.

Thus comes the term , im doing it for the fans not the critics.

So i confirm that that it translates too:-

I need the money , so fuck off

Posted by adi_hanson on Nov-19-2008 21:05:

Posted by JonDC on Nov-19-2008 21:12:

I think its funny how much people read into these comments. I mean, it's very obvious that pvd makes music that he likes or hw wouldn't do it. I'm sure he is rich enough not to have to pander to the commercial market, especially since HE OWNS VANDIT RECORDS. So I think its plain daft that somebody would say 'hey paul, try making music for yourself rather than the clubbers or the critics', because its a given. You don't get where he is / achieve what he has done without being rediculously passionate.

Its very obvious what PVD meant when he said that - 10% of the crowd make 90% of the noise on forums like this one. He knows far better than any of us what has been working at his gigs and he is making music to suppliment that. And its never gunna please all of the forum geeks like ourselves

I would have to agree that I prefer pvd's older sound, but then there is a lot of worse stuff knocking around than him as well. Its plain unfair to suggest he is in it for the money alone, and is unpassionate

Posted by Paradox Lost on Nov-19-2008 23:09:

His remarks don't seem like they do him or clubbers any favors.

In snubbing the 'critics'- those who would evaluate and scrutinize his music- it's almost as if he's saying he would rather produce music for people who simply didn't know any better, or at least didn't care.

Posted by chrisday on Nov-19-2008 23:20:

I would say PVD is not the only so called big Dj to hit the commercial crowd. If anything I would say Armin and Tiesto are much more to blame.

I think as a creative, you have to treat it as business as well as create your own style. I'm a graphic designer and what I produce for clients at work is no refelction to my over the top style I have for my personal work.

Theres nothing to say PVD cant create commercial music, but give something back to the true fans.

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:34:

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Originally posted by Meat187
The completely unrelated youtube video!

5/5

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:36:

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Originally posted by DJ Simo
It's only retardation because you see it as so, joker......

No it actually is retardation. Thats a fact.

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Many people would see your taste in music as shitty, so who cares? I'm sure you don't.... I guess this whole debate is useless then, to each his own I suppose......

I'm glad you figured it out by yourself.

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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Nevermind.

I think you misunderstood what you were saying.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 23:41:

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Originally posted by JonDC
I think its funny how much people read into these comments. I mean, it's very obvious that pvd makes music that he likes or hw wouldn't do it. I'm sure he is rich enough not to have to pander to the commercial market, especially since HE OWNS VANDIT RECORDS. So I think its plain daft that somebody would say 'hey paul, try making music for yourself rather than the clubbers or the critics', because its a given.

But doesn't it seem just a bit odd to you that when trance DJ-producers blow up big, their tastes and preferences start running toward poppy vocals and overblown cheese rather than the decent, subtler music they used to make and spin? I guess getting more successful somehow changes their tastes and artistic ideals, right? After all, they couldn't be pandering or trying to maintain their present level of income by turning out the same old stuff again and again...

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:46:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But doesn't it seem just a bit odd to you that when trance DJ-producers blow up big, their tastes and preferences start running toward poppy vocals and overblown cheese rather than the decent, subtler music they used to make and spin? I guess getting more successful somehow changes their tastes and artistic ideals, right? After all, they couldn't be pandering or trying to maintain their present level of income by turning out the same old stuff again and again...

I think that what you play as a DJ largely relates to who your audience is (obviously), meaning that, when playing big fuckoff crowds full of kids who just got into trance last weekend and are about to take their first pill, you get reactions that influence what type of music you think works better. Most of those trance dudes already like pretty cheesy shit to begin with so it doesn't take much to push them into playing Funkagenda - What The Fuck and The Anthem every gig.

Posted by Meat187 on Nov-19-2008 23:48:

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:49:

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Originally posted by Meat187
I'd say it's more like playing poppy vocals and cheesy stuff is an easy way to become more successful.

Absolutely. Though I don't see your eurodance sets getting much hits, what gives?

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 23:49:

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Originally posted by Clovis
Most of those trance dudes already like pretty cheesy shit to begin with so it doesn't take much to push them into playing Funkagenda - What The Fuck and The Anthem every gig.

I dunno, I wonder about this. PvD, for example, used to play much less cheesy stuff than he does now, and certainly his productions -- a lot of them, at least -- were nowhere near as cheesy. I'm thinking also of Armin's remark that he would really like to play "ambient and weird" stuff but his fans wouldn't like it...

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:51:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I dunno, I wonder about this. PvD, for example, used to play much less cheesy stuff than he does now, and certainly his productions were nowhere near as cheesy. I'm thinking also of Armin's remark that he would really like to play "ambient and weird" stuff but his fans wouldn't like it...

Then they started off with the wrong fucking fans. It's their own fault if they can't figure out how to be successful playing music they like.

That always just sounds like an excuse to me. I certainly wouldn't be able to live that big of a lie.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-19-2008 23:53:

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Your live sets and ASOT radio show has grown so diverse, all the genres of EDM can be found from minimal to house, why has this evolution occurred?

Armin van Buuren: I DJ for the crowd, not for myself, if it was for me the music would be real ambient, weird sounding. These track lists are for the crowd.

http://www.trancesound.net/diversht...van_buuren.html

Posted by Clovis on Nov-19-2008 23:54:

ASOT has grown so diverse...ahahha fuck me

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-20-2008 00:24:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
http://www.trancesound.net/diversht...van_buuren.html

Damn. That's quite pathetic actually. It sounds like Armin's own musical interests would actually be quite... well, interesting, but he deliberately stifles them for the wants of the crowd he has gathered, a crowd he is obviously terrified of alienating.

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